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[Kaladryn]

_DarkCaster_ wrote...

Every game has its farmers. I personally love doing things legit more fun and action packed. Rather then sitting there spamming grab kills...

spamming grab kills is the fun part I thoguht

[wantsumcandii]

Unbelievable. "I don't play FBW/G/G so no one else should either!" You kids need to grow up . No I don't farm it but what do you care if ppl do? So your mad cause ppl choose to do so and takes the fun out of your random choice. If a majority wants to do that, without cheating, then they will. Bioware won't change that just because a few ppl don't like it. Money rests with the majority and they will always have their way. Pick this statement apart all you want. It's sounds like some of you get your way far too often and are pissy because you can't have everything go your way with the random option. Well it's time to put on your big boy pants and realize the world isn't fair. Don't like it then start your own public lobby and have it your way. Ok start complaining.......now.

[MissMinaethiel]

 Ok kiddies, I did my twenty game search and here is the data I came up with:

Random/Random: 1

Reapers: 1

Cerberus: 8

"Normal" Geth: 3

FBWGG: 7

Overall Percentages

65% non-FBWGG games
35% FBWGG

So, at least on xbox, it's no issue to find a game outside of FBWGG. That was out of a total of twenty games. I'll do another test next weekend (since it's Exorcist and all) and see if the results are around the same.

[Iodine]

Nobody cares about your spacebucks. Nobody is jealous/envious of you or your farming, or if they are, they are in all likelihood already farming themselves.

Farmers do not like being told how they "should" play. Anti-farmers do not like being forced to play a certain way to accomodate the large population of farmers. This can be easily reversed. Try to see from outside your own perspective.

As it stands, one group has to accomodate the other (being that they share the same difficulty level and community), and neither group is insignificant in size. Neither "side" is more correct than the other, they both have different goals and play the game for different reasons. Most people probably frequently switch between sides (farming when they really want something unlocked/leveled, challenging themselves when they get bored).

Hell, you can almost think of it like driving on highways. Some people want everyone to go the speed limit, keeping things as smooth/safe for everyone as possible, or because they just think the "agreed upon" speed limit is what was intended and what everyone should adhere to. Some people always want to speed and go as fast they can get away with (i.e. no police around), either because they're always late or they just like the thrill/joy of driving faster. Some people speed if they're late or want to get somewhere faster, but stick to the speed limit otherwise. Everyone going faster than you is a maniac, everyone slower than you is a jackass getting in your way. Unfortunately, the only way to avoid this is to go off on unpopulated/alternate roads which will likely take you longer (lower speed limits, less opportunity to pass, etc.) no matter what, but you won't have to deal with all the maniacs/jackasses.

Edit: MissMinaethiel, that's hardly an accurate picture. The very small sample size alone basically makes it moot, but it could also be said to be representative of how playing a non-FBW/G/G game usually results in you spending much more time (30-60 minutes for me, usually) waiting for it to fill up randomly, whereas FBW/G/G games fill up quickly and start quickly. Just sayin'

Modifié par Iodine, 30 avril 2012 - 01:30 .

[Co-D]

I use it sometimes, but I don't think it has anything to do with someone else. If you don't like it don't play it. Plain and simple.

[Sweddington1]

So... playing a meaningless multiplayer game in whatever variation that someone chooses on their own time and with their own equipment = cancer.

Obviously, this long list of troll rants is populated by people who have no idea of life outside the digital parameters set before them. And yes, for most of you, you will have to look up 'parameters' since it might not be covered on your 9th grade spelling test.

[Rasputin17]

J717 wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...

Your full of it. You know how I know that?.  Regardless of how you feel about the glitch, you just can't deny that if you put in random gold match there is a 80% chance it will be FBW Geth. Its just a fact. I can only speak for the PS3 but from what I have gathered the problem is still wide spread on pc and xbox. 

 Your argument does not make sense either. This issue is porbably 1% or less of how my time has spent even on this just this forum. By the way just tried to play two random gold game. Guess what? 

Let me guess; you lost, because you're bad, and the 3 other people you were playing with were bad. Prove me wrong. You can't, you know why? Because good players have no problems beating Random/Random/Gold matches. I don't just "forget" how to be competent because I stepped into a few random/random/Gold matches after farming FBW/G/G for an hour.

But I guess you losing means Gold is somehow difficult, instead of you and/or the people you play(ed) with being bad. 

Again, good try bro.

ummm no they were both Firebase White vs Geth. As was the third, but again good try bro. I love how defensive you all get when the idea of balancing FBW is even mentioned. All it does is reinforce what we already know. You need FBW. Thats why you freak out. Honestly, I don't even know where you are coming from. If gold is so easy for you why do you care if FBW is more balanced? 

[Star fury]

MissMinaethiel wrote...

 Ok kiddies, I did my twenty game search and here is the data I came up with:

Random/Random: 1

Reapers: 1

Cerberus: 8

"Normal" Geth: 3

FBWGG: 7

Overall Percentages

65% non-FBWGG games
35% FBWGG

So, at least on xbox, it's no issue to find a game outside of FBWGG. That was out of a total of twenty games. I'll do another test next weekend (since it's Exorcist and all) and see if the results are around the same.

You're a great scholar! Flawless analysis. You obviously didn't  think about ongoing operation that's connected with phantoms and successful extraction on gold. That directly influence your sample.

Modifié par Star fury, 30 avril 2012 - 01:53 .

[Cyonan]

Rasputin17 wrote...
ummm no they were both Firebase White vs Geth. As was the third, but again good try bro. I love how defensive you all get when the idea of balancing FBW is even mentioned. All it does is reinforce what we already know. You need FBW. Thats why you freak out. Honestly, I don't even know where you are coming from. If gold is so easy for you why do you care if FBW is more balanced? 

Not everyone opposed to the idea of "fixing" FBW needs FBW/G/G to beat gold.

I'm all for people doing whatever they want, and I am fully aware that "fixing" FBW is not going to stop people from farming the easiest possible setup.

[a ViciousFerret]

Star fury wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

 Ok kiddies, I did my twenty game search and here is the data I came up with:

Random/Random: 1

Reapers: 1

Cerberus: 8

"Normal" Geth: 3

FBWGG: 7

Overall Percentages

65% non-FBWGG games
35% FBWGG

So, at least on xbox, it's no issue to find a game outside of FBWGG. That was out of a total of twenty games. I'll do another test next weekend (since it's Exorcist and all) and see if the results are around the same.

You're a great scholar! Flawless analysis. You obviously didn't  think about ongoing operation that's connected with phantoms and successful extraction on gold. That directly influence your sample.

Yup. I'll admit I've been having an easier time finding Gold matches this weekend then in the past.

[Star fury]

a ViciousFerret wrote...

Yup. I'll admit I've been having an easier time finding Gold matches this weekend then in the past.

Me too. But too many newbies too playing gold.

[a ViciousFerret]

Star fury wrote...

a ViciousFerret wrote...

Yup. I'll admit I've been having an easier time finding Gold matches this weekend then in the past.

Me too. But too many newbies too playing gold.

Yup. It's been forcing me to play as more conventional classes so I can carry them rather than trying something a bit more exotic.

[Star fury]

920103db wrote...

Star fury wrote...


You're a great scholar! Flawless analysis. You obviously didn't  think about ongoing operation that's connected with phantoms and successful extraction on gold. That directly influence your sample.

Learn to read.

You're a perfect example of my opponents. Carry on.

[Bleachrude]

Cyonan wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...
ummm no they were both Firebase White vs Geth. As was the third, but again good try bro. I love how defensive you all get when the idea of balancing FBW is even mentioned. All it does is reinforce what we already know. You need FBW. Thats why you freak out. Honestly, I don't even know where you are coming from. If gold is so easy for you why do you care if FBW is more balanced? 

Not everyone opposed to the idea of "fixing" FBW needs FBW/G/G to beat gold.

I'm all for people doing whatever they want, and I am fully aware that "fixing" FBW is not going to stop people from farming the easiest possible setup.

THIS

I don't understand what the OP is hoping for...If FBW was fixed somehow, does he think that he will find more random map/enemy types?

Wouldn't people farming for credits simply move to Glacier instead?

And if Glacier is "fixed" people will move on to another map. Hell, even if somehow all exploits are closed (no game has this ever been possible), does he expect more random maps/enemies in gold?

Not likely as people who are "farmers" aren't going to randomly pick enemy/gold either...They'll most likely go full biotic reaper or full overload/energy drain geth...

Really not sure what OP thinks will happen here...

[MissMinaethiel]

Star fury wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

 Ok kiddies, I did my twenty game search and here is the data I came up with:

Random/Random: 1

Reapers: 1

Cerberus: 8

"Normal" Geth: 3

FBWGG: 7

Overall Percentages

65% non-FBWGG games
35% FBWGG

So, at least on xbox, it's no issue to find a game outside of FBWGG. That was out of a total of twenty games. I'll do another test next weekend (since it's Exorcist and all) and see if the results are around the same.

You're a great scholar! Flawless analysis. You obviously didn't  think about ongoing operation that's connected with phantoms and successful extraction on gold. That directly influence your sample.

Actually, I did <_< Thus I direct you to the bolded/underlined/italicized part of the post. Maybe read the whole thing next time instead of immediately dismissing me. Might help your future rebuttals have a little more credibility.

Modifié par MissMinaethiel, 30 avril 2012 - 03:10 .

[a ViciousFerret]

Bleachrude wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...
ummm no they were both Firebase White vs Geth. As was the third, but again good try bro. I love how defensive you all get when the idea of balancing FBW is even mentioned. All it does is reinforce what we already know. You need FBW. Thats why you freak out. Honestly, I don't even know where you are coming from. If gold is so easy for you why do you care if FBW is more balanced? 

Not everyone opposed to the idea of "fixing" FBW needs FBW/G/G to beat gold.

I'm all for people doing whatever they want, and I am fully aware that "fixing" FBW is not going to stop people from farming the easiest possible setup.

THIS

I don't understand what the OP is hoping for...If FBW was fixed somehow, does he think that he will find more random map/enemy types?

Wouldn't people farming for credits simply move to Glacier instead?

And if Glacier is "fixed" people will move on to another map. Hell, even if somehow all exploits are closed (no game has this ever been possible), does he expect more random maps/enemies in gold?

Not likely as people who are "farmers" aren't going to randomly pick enemy/gold either...They'll most likely go full biotic reaper or full overload/energy drain geth...

Really not sure what OP thinks will happen here...

Just some thoughts for the sake of continuing the conversation (not really an actual argument to be argued with) but..

In FBW you are taking advantage of a poor AI. (I am taking a guess here but I don't think Bioware intended for enemies not to come from the back because every other 'camping' spot in the game has at least 3 different routes enemies can take, FBW's spot has 2)

People will camp and farm other spots, but it won't be the same. It will be much more challenging for the majority of people as it will require actual effort and skill to hold the position and it will be much easier to be swarmed if you are out of your depth. Something that never happens in FBW.

[Killateral DMG]

I've already proven myself on Unknown/Unknown/Gold, why should I put effort into U/U/G to farm when I can literally sit in 1 place and spray my sniper or spam decoys and get the same amount of credits for only 1-5 minutes slower than most maps for U/U/G.
Not to mention the crappy teammates in U/U/G. 90% of people on FBW know what they are doing, and only really takes 1 decoy and 1 infiltrator.

[Iodine]

Killateral DMG wrote...

I've already proven myself on Unknown/Unknown/Gold, why should I put effort into U/U/G to farm when I can literally sit in 1 place and spray my sniper or spam decoys and get the same amount of credits for only 1-5 minutes slower than most maps for U/U/G.
Not to mention the crappy teammates in U/U/G. 90% of people on FBW know what they are doing, and only really takes 1 decoy and 1 infiltrator.

Not everyone has the same goals in playing.

Some people only want to get credits so they can unlock/upgrade weapons so they can kill stuff faster and get more credits. Some people want to avoid making the game too easy, trying to retain some semblance of challenge, either by avoiding credit farming, or intentionally gimping themselves.

Some people want to have fun, but also like to go on a "buying spree" once in a while, and so switch to farming. Some people get bored of farming FBW/G/G all the time and occasionally switch to another map/enemy for some variety and challenge.

Some people realize that once they run out of stuff to unlock/upgrade, they'll probably get bored of the game. Some people just want to "beat" the game and move on.

tl;dr - Not everyone thinks or wants the same things as you all the time. Other people may have other opinions/likes/dislikes. They are not "wrong" and you are not "right", they are not "right" and you are not "wrong" for having a differing opinion.

Modifié par Iodine, 30 avril 2012 - 04:10 .

[a ViciousFerret]

^That is implying unlocking X of every weapon aside from N7's and Ultra Rares is a hard thing.

[Iodine]

^ Some people realize that unlocking will happen whether you farm to speed up the process or not. Some people are impatient, eager to be "done," or just like that little feeling of accomplishment/burst of brain chemicals when upgrading/unlocking something.

Just think of it like MMOs, there's plenty of people who will grind 18 hours per day just to reach max level or drop some 0.001% drop chance rare or whatever. You can pace yourself and stretch out the fun/"fun" for a long time, or you can decide you want it RIGHT NOW and make the game a chore/work (though possibly still enjoyable), riddled with constant disappointment, just to try to accomplish your goal sooner rather than later. And then decide you're sick of the game and hate it, and quit. And then delude yourself into coming back "just for the people/friends" two weeks later.

Modifié par Iodine, 30 avril 2012 - 04:38 .