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[kinglewy00]

 I don't find any other maps / enemies that much harder to the point where I insist it's ruining MP..
Reapers are a pain I guess. But I've still seen plenty of Geth / White rounds fail due to idiots and small mistakes.

[xtorma]

Here is a way to fix this.

You get rid of credits. You assign points instead. Each map gives unique points
Dagger points, condor points etc.

each faction gives unique points
Geth. cerb. reaper

bronze 15, silver 30, gold 70 of both faction and map points

You put all items and weapons in the store and then assign them a value

for instance

A geth plazma shotgun costs

700 points from each map
2500 points from the geth faction

every weapon has costs related to it's power.

When you buy a weapon, the price for the next upgrade goes up.

there, fixed.

[a ViciousFerret]

^I like it. I also have my own idea on fixing it.

Someone someone suggested a while back that we could have a public community galactic readiness map in addition to our private one. When people complete a match they add a point to the map they just played region and over time due to thousands of people playing the game, the overall percentage of the general region goes up. But when a region gains a percentage, the other regions also lose points thus lowering their percentage. Therefore, regions percentage will always be moving and changing daily.

Everybody following so far? Ok, now let us say the regions with the lowest percentage are the regions that are in most need of fresh troops to take down enemies. Thus the maps located in the lower % regions gain an experience and credit multiplier. Conversely, the regions with the very high %, give out less experience and credits.

The community galactic map could be swapped with your personal galactic map in the same place it currently is using the triggers. (or mouse for PC)

This would end FBW/G/G farming as FBW would give out less credits and most farmers are going to(or should anyway) attempt to try their luck in other maps in their attempt to gain more credits.

[puolijumala]

Rambos who get themselves killed and drop out the game 'cause there's nobody to save them. On Silver and Gold this is a real pain in the ass because everyone is needed. Quitters should be punished (like in Halo gaems).

Also; the glitch on Hydra. It's not playing, just camping. Ruins the game. I add negative review to all glitchers, cheaters and quitters, so I don't have to deal with them ever again.

Modifié par puolijumala, 29 avril 2012 - 01:38 .

[ZombieGambit]

The real cancer is players that think they're better than other players because they play Gold, more specifically the ones that kick other from the lobby because they don't meet their high standards of what a "good" player is.

[onewhitetea]

Star fury wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

I think you may have missed the part where I said to host your own game.

You know, the thing that lets you specifically choose which enemy/map you want to play against, and on which difficulty.

Really? Never tried it. Tell me now, genuis, how you try to shorten waiting time that sometimes can be 30 minutes. Or what you do when players just leave when they see it's not FB W/G/G. 

because people may have preference to something different than what YOU want, it doesn't mean its a problem.
I guess you didn't make or have any friends to make your own private matches.

well guess what even with geth gold FBW its difficult to find a goood balanced lobby and sometimes when you find you fail at wave 3 because they  all had no strategy, so in the end I could have wasted over 15min of gameplay +5/10 minutes that I wasted searching for a good lobby.

every scenario has disadvantages, because things are not the way YOU want you say its a problem. well well....

Modifié par onewhitetea, 29 avril 2012 - 01:41 .

[onewhitetea]

xtorma wrote...

Here is a way to fix this.

You get rid of credits. You assign points instead. Each map gives unique points
Dagger points, condor points etc.

each faction gives unique points
Geth. cerb. reaper

bronze 15, silver 30, gold 70 of both faction and map points

You put all items and weapons in the store and then assign them a value

for instance

A geth plazma shotgun costs

700 points from each map
2500 points from the geth faction

every weapon has costs related to it's power.

When you buy a weapon, the price for the next upgrade goes up.

there, fixed.

that wouldn't work because than as a player you'd know that you can get what you want(weapon) with time and by just playing the game you already paid for.
the store system is a lottery / gamble and that's how greedy EA/Bioware make extra money on vunarable people that can't control impulse or realise its just a game with virtual BS.

changing it to what you said (which is a good idea and would make gameplay a lot more enjoyable) would make them much less money thus wont happen.

Modifié par onewhitetea, 29 avril 2012 - 01:46 .

[LadyAlekto]

A mobile and adapting team that is used to and trained in "random/random" on gold can easily outdo the speed at which a gold match is done for the farmers

The only real knack i have with these naps is that they join into a random/random lobby and start to whine about the set up, or my class, or simply leave again and again

It does take forever to get a good game going, especially when many of these fbwg farmer do for once try to play for real, and fail horribly leaving after before the second wave because they died 2 times trying to camp

And for warmup i play reaper, less things trying to shoot you at once and no phantom sniper groups

[CryeTitan]

/skiped pg2-7 sorry.

Ops statement is very true about fbw geth, doing the constant grind of hide kill destroys accrued twitch me3 skillz acquired through normal play from even bronze. (meaning not camping in fbw bronze)

Why do people do it?
Supplies credits for the bw profit margin'd unlock system to attempt at all/higher weapons. And cause its gold and errybody feels better doing the hardest.

even if its not the most challenging way (obviously).

My fix for an obviously gimped unlock system for people who aren't great at mp?

No clue, I paid bw for that job. Can't wait to see them fix it.. (eventually..?)

[Gavrilo]

idk anything bout that,im playing for fun only,random enemy/map,bronze/silver with every class and race,tho i perfer infiltrator or engineer

[Rasputin17]

It is a problem because if you want to keep up with the best (meaning the best weapons, even a constant stream of equip) it is logical to only farm FBW Geth. So, even if you want to play random gold they almost force you to rape FBW over and over. This is not a problem for those of us that have unlocked everything to X but for others it is still a problem. If they don't give to get the good weapons then they will probably be kicked when they try and play random gold.


Also, how is it not a problem that at least 70% of the community can only be found on FBW Geth? Its obvious that map is not the way the game is supposed to be played. My soultion is instead of my XP for random maps and foes give us a nice extra chunk of credits for random. Problem solved. You get to play random games and still keep up with the credits. The community will shift their focus and MP will be fun and exciting again.

[a ViciousFerret]

Rasputin17 wrote...

It is a problem because if you want to keep up with the best (meaning the best weapons, even a constant stream of equip) it is logical to only farm FBW Geth. So, even if you want to play random gold they almost force you to rape FBW over and over. This is not a problem for those of us that have unlocked everything to X but for others it is still a problem. If they don't give to get the good weapons then they will probably be kicked when they try and play random gold.


Also, how is it not a problem that at least 70% of the community can only be found on FBW Geth? Its obvious that map is not the way the game is supposed to be played. My soultion is instead of my XP for random maps and foes give us a nice extra chunk of credits for random. Problem solved. You get to play random games and still keep up with the credits. The community will shift their focus and MP will be fun and exciting again.

Yah, I find the notion that we are forcing others to play the way we want (as in, normally, as the game intended) hilariously ironic, because that is exactly what they are doing.

Modifié par a ViciousFerret, 29 avril 2012 - 05:22 .

[Wesus]

All Maps are f*cking easy, I just search cerberus/reapers and random map, issue solved.

Fbwgg is barely harder than random/random/silver and I just want THE scrubs to stay there so they dont bother my gameplay.

[nwj94]

Your assuming that I only play farm games, I just farm when I want to kill time, or have to split my attention. When I'm playing seriously I run regular gold games and do just fine. My skills don't stagnate, in fact my sniping has improved with regular practice on FBWGG in a highly controlled environment when twitch reflexes can be repeated over and over with no variation. Took my GI to a regular Gold game for the first time in awhile and I was surprised at how much I had improved.

[ShdwPlayer]

I've only ever landed on FBW/G/G if I specifically searched for it. Granted I have been doing it alot lately just farming for credits, but if I search for random gold games I'll usually get other maps or I'll just create one. Sucks that the XP bonus is pretty much wasted on maxed out chars - because promoting is pretty much useless

[MissMinaethiel]

I wonder if people are thinking about console type for this. I play on 360. If I search for a Cerberus game I WILL find a Cerberus game. If I search FBWGG I'll get put there. If I search for Reapers, guess what? I'll find Reapers.

The community is big enough to the point where farming as an easy lobby to fill, but is certainly a minority in the grand scheme of things.

However, from what I understand, it's more of a problem for other platforms because less players play there.

Modifié par MissMinaethiel, 29 avril 2012 - 05:34 .

[Magicman10893]

Star fury wrote...

Firebase White Geth Gold. Easy way to "beat gold" and get quick creds. It's popular, but farmers don't understand that they ruin a game.

1) If you farm, you lose your skills. In my own experience I can say that you become worse player and my friends agree too. If you think that it's a first step to gold games, you are wrong. It's on par with bronze and just gives you bad habits like camping in one place and dying.
2) Majority of the public gold games are now FB W/G/G. It means when you want to have fun, try new maps, classes and weapons all you get is one bloody map with bloody weak enemies.

Play different maps and different enemies. Choose random game. Have fun and don't grind.
P.S. Hopefully Bio will fix this with balance changes or with a patch.

Firebase White/Geth/Gold isn't the cancer that is killing this game, the store system is the cancer killing this game. FW/G/G is simply one treatment for this terminal illness that has some unfortunate side effects. Think of FW/G/G as Chemotherapy. It makes you bald, sick and can possibly kill you, but it is done to try and combat the illness that is really killing you. 

Also, having "fun" for a lot of us means playing Bronze or Silver. Not everyone equates "challenging" and "fun." To me (and many others) the hardest game mode is only there for some sort of achievement rather than for fun. Call of Duty 4 on Veteran sucked ass, but I did it for that sweet, sweet gamerscore rather than the accomplishment of beating something that was difficult due to cheap tactics. To those people Gold is only there for the increased credit reward to try and combat the ****ty store system.

[ElementL09]

Star fury wrote...

Firebase White Geth Gold. Easy way to "beat gold" and get quick creds. It's popular, but farmers don't understand that they ruin a game.

1) If you farm, you lose your skills. In my own experience I can say that you become worse player and my friends agree too. If you think that it's a first step to gold games, you are wrong. It's on par with bronze and just gives you bad habits like camping in one place and dying.
2) Majority of the public gold games are now FB W/G/G. It means when you want to have fun, try new maps, classes and weapons all you get is one bloody map with bloody weak enemies.

Play different maps and different enemies. Choose random game. Have fun and don't grind.
P.S. Hopefully Bio will fix this with balance changes or with a patch.

Your wrong on both points. 


1.  If you farm this way as just playing Firebase White with Geth on Gold, your basically using the same startegy over and over again.  Its not going to make you a bad player, but playing on another map and another enemy will force you to use and/or think of another strategy that doesn't revolve around camping.

2.  This isn't really a problem, you do have the function to be able to search for specific maps and enemies.  Experience gained from bonuses is irrelevant considering most people characters that they bring in to gold are atleast above level 17.

Firebase White with Geth isn't a Cancer thats effecting multiplayer.  If anything it actually gives people a little taste of how much enemies they'll face against the geth.

Now if you really want to know what the cancer to multiplayer is then look at the store, look at certain classes and weapons that suck, look at the amount of credits earned versus timed spent playing, look at having to earn xp even though your character is maxed out, look at disconnects that take away your equipment that you equiped and credits you've lost. 

There are alot more issues and concerns with multiplayer then with players playing the same thing over and overagain.  And the only thing I expect Bioware to do when concening Firebase White with Geth is to patch the exploit that can players can do.

Like it or not, Firebase White with Gold is the Gold experience.  Players aren't cheating and their actually being strategic and smart.  Salarian Engineer with Decoy and an Infiltrator for objectives and the other 2 players can be whoever they want to be and still contribute to the squad.  Personally, I don't mind camping, hell, I prefer to hold a single position because the game is on a higher difficulty, its smarter then running around the map.

[Sargaz]

 lol u kinda need to grind out some weapons ifu dont have a black widow or n7 valiant though so i feel them

once u get that **** u can queue gold and all the 3 other players are just decoys !

[astheoceansblue]

If you're playing on PC you're full of rubbish. I've been playing daily for the last two weeks and FBW Geth is very, very easy to avoid.

There are plenty of people hosting non FBW games on Origin. If I search random/random FBW is around 1in3 at the most, and usually I don't even find it that often.

If I search Gold Reaper/Cerberus, I almost always find a game. Rarely does it put me into my own lobby because no one's hosting these.

If I host, the games fill up in minutes. I've never had to wait more than 10 minutes, and usually the lobby fills up in a few minutes at the most.

I'm off work right now, and I play across all timezones.

The forums are the perfect recruiting ground for your friendslist regardless of platform, and if you add enough people you'll almost always get a game. I've got around two dozen added right now, and I'm always being invited to lobbies for non FBW Gold games.

So even if it's more difficult to find public games on the consoles you can counter this by adding people here from one of the dozens of recruit threads. 

MissMinaethiel wrote...However, from what I understand, it's more of a problem for other platforms because less players play there.

PC is the same. Players for all game types are in abundance.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 29 avril 2012 - 05:47 .

[MissMinaethiel]

^-- Ah, good to know =D So it's even less prevalent than I thought. How about PS3? Where's the situation there, people?

[ElementL09]

I play on the Xbox 360, and whatever you search is whatever you get.

[TheMightyG00sh]

I remember playing an online flash MMOCCG which used an "Elite Store" feature to offer cards to people separate form the packs it offered. I would have prefered something like that to have popped up. The store itself had a rotation, cycling every few hours, offering 8 cards (4 rare, 4 silver) for 25WB (there player-bought currency like how people can buy packs using MS Points). This could be modified to offer weapons, characters, equipment and consumable cards (Reset Powers, +1 Capacity etc.) to the fanbase for a set price of Xk creds. (I'm not sure what would be exceptable as a number so I won't put one to avoid looking like an idiot...

[Rasputin17]

a ViciousFerret wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...

It is a problem because if you want to keep up with the best (meaning the best weapons, even a constant stream of equip) it is logical to only farm FBW Geth. So, even if you want to play random gold they almost force you to rape FBW over and over. This is not a problem for those of us that have unlocked everything to X but for others it is still a problem. If they don't give to get the good weapons then they will probably be kicked when they try and play random gold.


Also, how is it not a problem that at least 70% of the community can only be found on FBW Geth? Its obvious that map is not the way the game is supposed to be played. My soultion is instead of my XP for random maps and foes give us a nice extra chunk of credits for random. Problem solved. You get to play random games and still keep up with the credits. The community will shift their focus and MP will be fun and exciting again.

Yah, I find the notion that we are forcing others to play the way we want (as in, normally, as the game intended) hilariously ironic, because that is exactly what they are doing.

I find it ironic that everyone on this entire thread says they don't farm FBW Geth yet thats what you get when you do a random search of Gold. I find it ironic that everyone acts like they don't care when its very obvious they do care. They don't want to lose their easy credit method admit it at least. If the game was meant to be played by sitting on the other side of a bech and pressing X then they made a horrible game. I like to think this is not what they intended since you can't do this on any other map. FBW Geth is simple because it screws with enemy AI. If all of you never play FBW Geth then I don't see the problem of trying to make the game more balanced. The fact this thread is overrun with posters who obviously don't want anything to change shows just how big the problem is. Let the pretenders keep their precious cash cow. Just give the rest of us an incentive to play other game maps and hopefully it won't be so hard to find enough people to play random maps and match ups.

[xtorma]

Rasputin17 wrote...

a ViciousFerret wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...

It is a problem because if you want to keep up with the best (meaning the best weapons, even a constant stream of equip) it is logical to only farm FBW Geth. So, even if you want to play random gold they almost force you to rape FBW over and over. This is not a problem for those of us that have unlocked everything to X but for others it is still a problem. If they don't give to get the good weapons then they will probably be kicked when they try and play random gold.


Also, how is it not a problem that at least 70% of the community can only be found on FBW Geth? Its obvious that map is not the way the game is supposed to be played. My soultion is instead of my XP for random maps and foes give us a nice extra chunk of credits for random. Problem solved. You get to play random games and still keep up with the credits. The community will shift their focus and MP will be fun and exciting again.

Yah, I find the notion that we are forcing others to play the way we want (as in, normally, as the game intended) hilariously ironic, because that is exactly what they are doing.

I find it ironic that everyone on this entire thread says they don't farm FBW Geth yet thats what you get when you do a random search of Gold. I find it ironic that everyone acts like they don't care when its very obvious they do care. They don't want to lose their easy credit method admit it at least. If the game was meant to be played by sitting on the other side of a bech and pressing X then they made a horrible game. I like to think this is not what they intended since you can't do this on any other map. FBW Geth is simple because it screws with enemy AI. If all of you never play FBW Geth then I don't see the problem of trying to make the game more balanced. The fact this thread is overrun with posters who obviously don't want anything to change shows just how big the problem is. Let the pretenders keep their precious cash cow. Just give the rest of us an incentive to play other game maps and hopefully it won't be so hard to find enough people to play random maps and match ups.

You don't know jack, You assume everything.