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[Bamford38]

xtorma wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...

a ViciousFerret wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...

It is a problem because if you want to keep up with the best (meaning the best weapons, even a constant stream of equip) it is logical to only farm FBW Geth. So, even if you want to play random gold they almost force you to rape FBW over and over. This is not a problem for those of us that have unlocked everything to X but for others it is still a problem. If they don't give to get the good weapons then they will probably be kicked when they try and play random gold.


Also, how is it not a problem that at least 70% of the community can only be found on FBW Geth? Its obvious that map is not the way the game is supposed to be played. My soultion is instead of my XP for random maps and foes give us a nice extra chunk of credits for random. Problem solved. You get to play random games and still keep up with the credits. The community will shift their focus and MP will be fun and exciting again.

Yah, I find the notion that we are forcing others to play the way we want (as in, normally, as the game intended) hilariously ironic, because that is exactly what they are doing.

I find it ironic that everyone on this entire thread says they don't farm FBW Geth yet thats what you get when you do a random search of Gold. I find it ironic that everyone acts like they don't care when its very obvious they do care. They don't want to lose their easy credit method admit it at least. If the game was meant to be played by sitting on the other side of a bech and pressing X then they made a horrible game. I like to think this is not what they intended since you can't do this on any other map. FBW Geth is simple because it screws with enemy AI. If all of you never play FBW Geth then I don't see the problem of trying to make the game more balanced. The fact this thread is overrun with posters who obviously don't want anything to change shows just how big the problem is. Let the pretenders keep their precious cash cow. Just give the rest of us an incentive to play other game maps and hopefully it won't be so hard to find enough people to play random maps and match ups.

You don't know jack, You assume everything.

I agree with everything he said.

People who play FBW/G wouldnt last 2 waves on random map random enemy.

I know its true as i made a thread about this very subject not too long ago.

[Smallgrouse]

Mhm, when I first started Gold I did the camping thing. I'm fairly good at Gold now, able to do Condor and Reapers because of that time I spent farming and learning the ropes of Gold.

[xtorma]

Bamford38 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...

a ViciousFerret wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...

It is a problem because if you want to keep up with the best (meaning the best weapons, even a constant stream of equip) it is logical to only farm FBW Geth. So, even if you want to play random gold they almost force you to rape FBW over and over. This is not a problem for those of us that have unlocked everything to X but for others it is still a problem. If they don't give to get the good weapons then they will probably be kicked when they try and play random gold.


Also, how is it not a problem that at least 70% of the community can only be found on FBW Geth? Its obvious that map is not the way the game is supposed to be played. My soultion is instead of my XP for random maps and foes give us a nice extra chunk of credits for random. Problem solved. You get to play random games and still keep up with the credits. The community will shift their focus and MP will be fun and exciting again.

Yah, I find the notion that we are forcing others to play the way we want (as in, normally, as the game intended) hilariously ironic, because that is exactly what they are doing.

I find it ironic that everyone on this entire thread says they don't farm FBW Geth yet thats what you get when you do a random search of Gold. I find it ironic that everyone acts like they don't care when its very obvious they do care. They don't want to lose their easy credit method admit it at least. If the game was meant to be played by sitting on the other side of a bech and pressing X then they made a horrible game. I like to think this is not what they intended since you can't do this on any other map. FBW Geth is simple because it screws with enemy AI. If all of you never play FBW Geth then I don't see the problem of trying to make the game more balanced. The fact this thread is overrun with posters who obviously don't want anything to change shows just how big the problem is. Let the pretenders keep their precious cash cow. Just give the rest of us an incentive to play other game maps and hopefully it won't be so hard to find enough people to play random maps and match ups.

You don't know jack, You assume everything.

I agree with everything he said.

People who play FBW/G wouldnt last 2 waves on random map random enemy.

I know its true as i made a thread about this very subject not too long ago.

I started on the farm. I then switched to random/random gold. I do just fine.

This makes your assertion, and your lumping of everyone into one huge group wrong.

[Jebel Krong]

The "cancer" is the unlock system, fbw and/geth are fine. fix the unlocks and the "problem" will go away. personally i kinda like it for getting my aim in when i boot up mp.

[Bamford38]

xtorma wrote...

Bamford38 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...

a ViciousFerret wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...

It is a problem because if you want to keep up with the best (meaning the best weapons, even a constant stream of equip) it is logical to only farm FBW Geth. So, even if you want to play random gold they almost force you to rape FBW over and over. This is not a problem for those of us that have unlocked everything to X but for others it is still a problem. If they don't give to get the good weapons then they will probably be kicked when they try and play random gold.


Also, how is it not a problem that at least 70% of the community can only be found on FBW Geth? Its obvious that map is not the way the game is supposed to be played. My soultion is instead of my XP for random maps and foes give us a nice extra chunk of credits for random. Problem solved. You get to play random games and still keep up with the credits. The community will shift their focus and MP will be fun and exciting again.

Yah, I find the notion that we are forcing others to play the way we want (as in, normally, as the game intended) hilariously ironic, because that is exactly what they are doing.

I find it ironic that everyone on this entire thread says they don't farm FBW Geth yet thats what you get when you do a random search of Gold. I find it ironic that everyone acts like they don't care when its very obvious they do care. They don't want to lose their easy credit method admit it at least. If the game was meant to be played by sitting on the other side of a bech and pressing X then they made a horrible game. I like to think this is not what they intended since you can't do this on any other map. FBW Geth is simple because it screws with enemy AI. If all of you never play FBW Geth then I don't see the problem of trying to make the game more balanced. The fact this thread is overrun with posters who obviously don't want anything to change shows just how big the problem is. Let the pretenders keep their precious cash cow. Just give the rest of us an incentive to play other game maps and hopefully it won't be so hard to find enough people to play random maps and match ups.

You don't know jack, You assume everything.

I agree with everything he said.

People who play FBW/G wouldnt last 2 waves on random map random enemy.

I know its true as i made a thread about this very subject not too long ago.

I started on the farm. I then switched to random/random gold. I do just fine.

This makes your assertion, and your lumping of everyone into one huge group wrong.

No it doesnt

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

When I read the title I was certain he was going to say biotics that never want to set off explosions.

Justicars that don't reave, adepts that don't throw or warp on something that is reaved of warped, people that wont detonate unless they get the kill, people who use stasis on armor, soldiers that aren't batarian on gold, I could go on.

[vonSlash]

One good thing about this weekend event is that there are tons of Cerberus Gold games to play instead of just FBWGG.

[o Revan x]

Why do you care? Nobody is forcing anyone to play FBW, at least there is a workaround to collecting good weapons via MSP. Random cards suck.

[astheoceansblue]

Rasputin17 wrote...
The fact this thread is overrun with posters who obviously don't want anything to change shows just how big the problem is. .

Nope.

[JGDD]

astheoceansblue wrote...

If you're playing on PC you're full of rubbish. I've been playing daily for the last two weeks and FBW Geth is very, very easy to avoid.

There are plenty of people hosting non FBW games on Origin. If I search random/random FBW is around 1in3 at the most, and usually I don't even find it that often.

If I search Gold Reaper/Cerberus, I almost always find a game. Rarely does it put me into my own lobby because no one's hosting these.

If I host, the games fill up in minutes. I've never had to wait more than 10 minutes, and usually the lobby fills up in a few minutes at the most.

I'm off work right now, and I play across all timezones.

The forums are the perfect recruiting ground for your friendslist regardless of platform, and if you add enough people you'll almost always get a game. I've got around two dozen added right now, and I'm always being invited to lobbies for non FBW Gold games.

So even if it's more difficult to find public games on the consoles you can counter this by adding people here from one of the dozens of recruit threads. 

MissMinaethiel wrote...However, from what I understand, it's more of a problem for other platforms because less players play there.

PC is the same. Players for all game types are in abundance.

OP is a PC player.

I agree with what you say about lobbies filling up for whatever it is you search for or set if you host rather quickly. I rarely wait more than a couple of minutes and that's generally at weird hours of the day (here). Sometimes just exiting and reentering the lobby will trigger a rapid slot fill.

[Bestyj669]

MissMinaethiel wrote...

^-- Ah, good to know =D So it's even less prevalent than I thought. How about PS3? Where's the situation there, people?

5 searches for Any/Any/Gold:

1 - Any / Any / Gold
2 - Any / Any / Silver (...)
3 - Dagger / Cerberus / Gold
4 - Reactor / Reaper / Gold
5 - White / Geth / Gold

So yeah ... PS3 clearly only concentrates on farming too ... Massive problem in finding anything else indeed ... 

[Wesus]

It doesnt needs à change, i just search random/cerberus/gold or random/reapers/gold just avoid geth and its fine, u'll never end up with farmers.

Logics aren't hard. If you dont want fbwgg search for Cerberus or reapers or any other map than white for geth.

It would be nice if they made the geth AI smarter but all what is stated in this thread is avoidable.

[MissMinaethiel]

Bestyj669 wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

^-- Ah, good to know =D So it's even less prevalent than I thought. How about PS3? Where's the situation there, people?

5 searches for Any/Any/Gold:

1 - Any / Any / Gold
2 - Any / Any / Silver (...)
3 - Dagger / Cerberus / Gold
4 - Reactor / Reaper / Gold
5 - White / Geth / Gold

So yeah ... PS3 clearly only concentrates on farming too ... Massive problem in finding anything else indeed ... 

Oh, thank you for the mini experiment So that's a 20% ratio out of those 5. I'll try searching for twenty games on my xbox later and record the results. Might have to cut it to ten though depending on when I get on. Since it's a Sunday (school night) the results may be a little bit wonky for normal weekend traffic.

[shadowkinz]

fbw-g is good to get your feet wet with gold, then move on..

thing is, other maps/opponents just take way too long sometimes. ppl prolly like fbw/g for the same reason pubbers like maps like iceworld in cs, more fighting, less waiting..

i forgot what else i wanted to say lol..

i feel you tho.. i've played fbwG and after winning, put a diff map, and everyone was so confused that you could see it in their movements

[Rasputin17]

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Bestyj669 wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

^-- Ah, good to know =D So it's even less prevalent than I thought. How about PS3? Where's the situation there, people?

5 searches for Any/Any/Gold:

1 - Any / Any / Gold
2 - Any / Any / Silver (...)
3 - Dagger / Cerberus / Gold
4 - Reactor / Reaper / Gold
5 - White / Geth / Gold

So yeah ... PS3 clearly only concentrates on farming too ... Massive problem in finding anything else indeed ... 

Oh, thank you for the mini experiment So that's a 20% ratio out of those 5. I'll try searching for twenty games on my xbox later and record the results. Might have to cut it to ten though depending on when I get on. Since it's a Sunday (school night) the results may be a little bit wonky for normal weekend traffic.

The problem is the worst on PS3. I feel because it has the most "COD" types who probably never finished SP. I appreciate your trying to add facts to this thread or make a logical argument. The main argument I have seen from those who don't want anything to change is "nope" or "your wrong". The fact you can't come up with a solid argument to back up your "nope" should tell you something. Let them have their easy mode, just give the community a logical reason to play other games. I search random every time and 70% of the time it FBW at the very least usually also Geth. I will record my findings from now on.

[SleepingWarrior]

Rasputin17 wrote...

It is a problem because if you want to keep up with the best (meaning the best weapons, even a constant stream of equip) it is logical to only farm FBW Geth. So, even if you want to play random gold they almost force you to rape FBW over and over. This is not a problem for those of us that have unlocked everything to X but for others it is still a problem. If they don't give to get the good weapons then they will probably be kicked when they try and play random gold.


Also, how is it not a problem that at least 70% of the community can only be found on FBW Geth? Its obvious that map is not the way the game is supposed to be played. My soultion is instead of my XP for random maps and foes give us a nice extra chunk of credits for random. Problem solved. You get to play random games and still keep up with the credits. The community will shift their focus and MP will be fun and exciting again.

The " way to play game as it is supposed to be played" is up to each individual to decide, not to be made by decree from someone else who had literally nothing to do with the creation/development of the game.

Modifié par SleepingWarrior, 29 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[palker]

I kept track over the last few days (before the weekend op started) and this is what i found in random lobbies
24 searches resulted in13 FBW geth lobbies

[VII Revenant]

There isn't any cancer killing Mass Effect's multiplayer game. If anything, Firebase White with Geth enemies is introducing players to Gold difficulty and aspects of the game they didn't know much about; even before Exorcist, I can't tell you the number of people I've met who didn't know a thing about tech bursts or biotic explosions, but because of Firebase White games and their relative low risk with a couple good players involved, lots of people are able to learn and perfect burst and explosion combinations.

I started with Firebase White, and I'm moving to other levels and enemies, but I owe a lot to the tried and true formula for helping me perfect characters, burst and explosion combos, and completing significant parts of my aresenal early on so I could experiment with more weapons.

[MissMinaethiel]

Rasputin17 wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

Bestyj669 wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

^-- Ah, good to know =D So it's even less prevalent than I thought. How about PS3? Where's the situation there, people?

5 searches for Any/Any/Gold:

1 - Any / Any / Gold
2 - Any / Any / Silver (...)
3 - Dagger / Cerberus / Gold
4 - Reactor / Reaper / Gold
5 - White / Geth / Gold

So yeah ... PS3 clearly only concentrates on farming too ... Massive problem in finding anything else indeed ... 

Oh, thank you for the mini experiment So that's a 20% ratio out of those 5. I'll try searching for twenty games on my xbox later and record the results. Might have to cut it to ten though depending on when I get on. Since it's a Sunday (school night) the results may be a little bit wonky for normal weekend traffic.

The problem is the worst on PS3. I feel because it has the most "COD" types who probably never finished SP. I appreciate your trying to add facts to this thread or make a logical argument. The main argument I have seen from those who don't want anything to change is "nope" or "your wrong". The fact you can't come up with a solid argument to back up your "nope" should tell you something. Let them have their easy mode, just give the community a logical reason to play other games. I search random every time and 70% of the time it FBW at the very least usually also Geth. I will record my findings from now on.

Yes! Do that. Then if we can all compile a spread sheet of search results with random/random then we can pinpoint kind of a small-scale percentage list of each enemy/map.

Only inconsistancy I can forsee is classifying the Geth... what constitutes as a "normal" Geth game? Is it just FBWGG that's considered farming? Should Geth as a whole be considered farming? Maybe I'm overthinking that variable and just FBWGG should be the farming category x_o

I myself farm for fast credits, but my first gold games were vs Cerberus with a dash of Reapers. Once I accomplished beating all the factions at least once I considered my personal accomplishment mission complete and moved to just getting all the weapons I want. It will be interesting to see exactly how the numbers pan out.

Modifié par MissMinaethiel, 29 avril 2012 - 07:15 .

[scott1118]

Depends on your setup really, if you play vs cerberus biotics are better imo.
Firebase giant is also a good map.
Minus the sat grabbing enemies over a wall 1` by 1 like a conveyor belt gold still takes a considerable amount of skill and teamwork despite the generic firebase white geth.

You still need the guy covering the back entrance just incase of hunters and pyros. You still need to complete objectives and wave 10 isn't exactly "easy"

Even if you fight against reapers if you had an all adept setup to just oblitherate armour and having 1 adept warp and 1 adept throw to create a biotic explosion every second per 2 adepts then it's a viable and "easy" tactic versus reapers.

Tbh finding an easier/better tactic to deal with gold isn't nooby its just smarter and more efficient. If you want a challange don't complain, instead host your onw lobby on random map and enemy and have fun.

[scott1118]

But ok imo geth and cerberus large units need upgrades - they need to be faster atleast, banshees are the only large unit which makes a team run like hell.

[Star fury]

astheoceansblue wrote...

If you're playing on PC you're full of rubbish. I've been playing daily for the last two weeks and FBW Geth is very, very easy to avoid.

For you maybe. For others not so much. Too many people I know complain about it.

astheoceansblue wrote...


There are plenty of people hosting non FBW games on Origin. If I search
random/random FBW is around 1in3 at the most, and usually I don't even
find it that often.

You're very lucky. So what?

astheoceansblue wrote...





If I search Gold Reaper/Cerberus, I almost
always find a game. Rarely does it put me into my own lobby because no
one's hosting these.

You're very lucky. So what?

astheoceansblue wrote...


If I host, the games fill up in minutes.
I've never had to wait more than 10 minutes, and usually the lobby fills
up in a few minutes at the most.

You're very lucky. So what?

[ReapersFTW]

Instead of complaining about FBWGG, complain about the source of the problem. Then maybe you wouldn't look like such an idiot. FYI, I farmed and then went back to do other gold matches, can do them easily, like always.

[SleepingWarrior]

And you're unlucky Star Fury. SO WHAT?

Honestly its to the point with this whining that people need to be told if they don't like it don't play the game anymore and go create their own utopian online gaming experience to cater to their desires. How about that for a decree?