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[Eckswhyzed]

Drummernate wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Can everyone stop making completely awesome Geth Infiltrator builds?

Now I'm running Godless Paladin's mine + melee Claymore build, which also has an affinity for destruction.

*AHEM*

Actually I was the first ever to make a Geth melee build seeing as I unlocked the Geth within the first like 5 minutes of the DLC being released and the characters made purchasable. It took me apox. 28 minutes to come up with the melee build since I saw in the first match what it could do. The rest is history.

I was the first to share it with CrimsonEyed and Godless Paladin.

Godless gets all the attention because he has videos... but he never said who showed it to him.


I personally skip proxy mine for increased weapon damage. I can one shot stuff with an Eviscerator and it has 3 shots instead of one like the Claymore.

Sorry about that. I guess you were melting enemies into goo before it was cool

TheThirdBox wrote...

On second thought the two builds should complement each other perfectly.

Step 1: Fire Falcon
Step 2: Cloak
Step 3: Prox mine
Step 4: Melt enemy
Step 5: PROFIT

???

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Yeah. Bioware really should cap character cards and bring back uncapped respec cards.

Too bad you can't gift respec cards to people. Several of my friends are complaining about how they have over 20 of the damn things.

[GodlessPaladin]

RaptorSolutions wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Yeah. Bioware really should cap character cards and bring back uncapped respec cards.

Then people will complain about getting endless respec cards.

Tbh I don't really see the problem having tons of those... then I can respec my GI whenever I want.

Respec cards have the potential to do something.  Character cards don't.

[Drummernate]

Eckswhyzed wrote...


I guess you were melting enemies into goo before it was cool

IMPOSSIBRU!!!!!!

It was always cool. Even when nobody was doing it.

[GodlessPaladin]

Drummernate wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Can everyone stop making completely awesome Geth Infiltrator builds?[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Now I'm running Godless Paladin's mine + melee Claymore build, which also has an affinity for destruction.

*AHEM*

Actually
I was the first ever to make a Geth melee build seeing as I unlocked
the Geth within the first like 5 minutes of the DLC being released and
the characters made purchasable. It took me apox. 28 minutes to come up
with the melee build since I saw in the first match what it could do.
The rest is history.

I was the first to share it with CrimsonEyed and Godless Paladin


I personally
skip proxy mine for increased weapon damage. I can one shot stuff with
an Eviscerator and it has 3 shots instead of one like the Claymore.

Uhm, what's all this? First off, my build is fundamentally different from yours and plays fundamentally different from yours, as evidenced by your own comments (such as skipping proximity mine, which is very important to my build and playstyle, and using an Eviscerator). Second off, you weren't the first melee geth I saw. Third, I don't know why you think noticing that Geth have a good melee attack is some special milestone.  It's an even more obvious statement than recognizing that Krogan have a better than average melee.

Godless gets all the attention because he has videos... but he never said who showed it to him. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

  Because you didn't show it to me, and our builds are not the same.  This is like some random guy showing up on the internet and telling me that he showed me my krogan rage build because I was in a game with him and saw him use krogan melee before unlocking the krogan. 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 29 avril 2012 - 04:34 .

[JackGradus]

Imma give this a shot later on with both the Striker and Falcon. I only have Vs in each, but that'll have to be good enough for now. It sounds very interesting, and I was already focusing primarily on Proximity Mines for my offence.

[Drummernate]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Drummernate wrote...
I was the first to share it with CrimsonEyed and Godless Paladin.

Uhm, what? First off, that's nonsense, my build is fundamentally different from yours, as evidenced by your own comments (such as skipping proximity mine and using an Eviscerator). Second off, you weren't the first melee geth I saw. Third, it doesn't take any special genius to see that taking melee on fitness instead of shields is a good idea for something that has so little durability it only cares about the shield gate and a super-fast melee attack which hits in a large area of effect.

I may have not been the first melee Geth that you saw, but I was the first that actually gave you insight into it and discuss it with you from what I gathered of your reactions. (I distinctly remember you saying you were amazed at how awesome it was... and that I was the first to do it right. Kokatsu was there to attest to that. You asked about 40 questions about it since you did not even have the Geth yet.)

Fundamentally?... No. Not really. They both use shotguns (I even was using the Claymore, I just said that I have started using the Eviscerator and it works well. My original build used the Claymore) like I recommended and was using during gameplay with you. They both have maxed Melee. They both have Hunter Mode. The only difference is Proximty Mine.

Unless someone has a better download connection than me or somehow got a copy early like developers, then I was without a doubt the first to use Geth Melee as a primary weapon. I am a huge Geth fan and saved a ton of money to be able to get it within the first minutes of the DLC. It worked.

Modifié par Drummernate, 29 avril 2012 - 04:36 .

[GodlessPaladin]

I am still amazed at how awesome Geth melee is, but taking credit for my build and playstyle just because it includes using melee attacks and a (very different) shotgun is pretty silly.  If it weren't for you, I would have figured out the same exact build in pretty much the same amount of time after unlocking my GI.

An example of someone showing me a build and playstyle which I then emulated would be when Sabresandiego recommended his Human Infiltrator build to me.  This was not a case like that.

Drummernate wrote... They both have maxed Melee. They both have
Hunter Mode. The only difference is Proximty Mine.

Ah, I see, it would only be not a copy of yours if I took points in TWO abilities you put no points in, what with that being possible and all.  Oh wait...

Again, your argument is exactly like claiming you invented the melee krogan because you unlocked a krogan before someone else, as if other people were so goddamn retarded that they couldn't figure out that it was possible to spec for melee damage.  It's actually even worse than that since the choice is even more obvious for a GI, since their defenses are primarily about the shield gate, not their actual shield value and because their melee attack is obvously better than the Krogan's.  <_<

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 29 avril 2012 - 04:50 .

[Drummernate]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Again, your argument is exactly like claiming you invented the melee krogan because you unlocked a krogan before someone else, as if other people were so goddamn retarded that they couldn't figure out that it was possible to spec for melee damage.  It's actually even worse than that since the choice is even more obvious for a GI, since their defenses are primarily about the shield gate, not their actual shield value

No my arguement is that I directly showed it to you and told you about it. It would be different if I just said "Oh hey, the Geth melee is good." I spent what... 10 matches explaining it, discussing alternate builds, and showing it to you?

Yeah, most people apparently are that retarded, seeing as 85-95% of the games I join everyone is amazed at my build.

The choice is not obvious. Most people see that the Geth can get 25% shield recharge rate and they spec for that and turret healing to try and be a tank. I have only seen 5 other Melee Infiltrators including Kokatsu. That is with matches consisting of at least 3 Geth almost every match. (I often prod people to play as all Geth for the awesome factor)

(I see you added the outscore part...nice & LOL!!!! You even edited it out because you realize how much of an ass it makes you look like!!!!), you also used 3-5 rockets every match to my zero. Seeing as a good rocket gets you about 5,000 points every time... not too hard to outscore someone.)

Modifié par Drummernate, 29 avril 2012 - 04:55 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Drummernate wrote...

No my arguement is that I directly showed it to you and told you about it. It would be different if I just said "Oh hey, the Geth melee is good." I spent what... 10 matches explaining it, discussing alternate builds, and showing it to you?

  And I disagreed with and ignored pretty much all of your suggestions, simply being interested in what the class DID since I didn't have it yet.  I think foregoing Proximity Mine is a mistake and so is using the Eviscerator.  You are living in a fantasy world where you think that noticing that Geth melee was powerful was a great revelation that other good players could never have figured out without you, and frankly that's pretty damn full of yourself.

I mean heck, I never saw anyone playing a GI the way I do before I used it (no, you weren't using it the way I do, I watched you play), yet I don't doubt that tons of people are and were capable of recognizing that, say, the Claymore and Proximity Mine and melee damage bonuses are good choices on the GI.

(I see you added the outscore part...nice & LOL!!!! You even edited it out because you realize how much of an ass it makes you look like!!!!), you also used 3-5 rockets every match to my zero.)

...My post was edited before your post was even made.  I removed it because I didn't feel a need to rub the point in, especially since it was of questionable relevance that you weren't actually doing that well (frequently being outscored by a player who was trying out a new soldier class for the first time who wasn't hosting, compared to a class you claim to have some authoritative mastery over and sole knowledge of), but apparently taking the high road only makes you sink lower.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 29 avril 2012 - 05:15 .

[DilapidatedCat]

And I thought I had seen the last of this when I stopped playing WoW..

[Drummernate]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

No my arguement is that I directly showed it to you and told you about it. It would be different if I just said "Oh hey, the Geth melee is good." I spent what... 10 matches explaining it, discussing alternate builds, and showing it to you?

 

And I disagreed with pretty much all of your points.  I think foregoing Proximity Mine is a mistake and so is using the Eviscerator.  You are living in a fantasy world where you think that noticing that Geth melee was powerful was a great revelation that other good players could never have figured out without you, and frankly that's pretty damn full of yourself.

(I see you added the outscore part...nice & LOL!!!! You even edited it out because you realize how much of an ass it makes you look like!!!!), you also used 3-5 rockets every match to my zero.)

...My post was edited before your post was even made.  I removed it because I didn't feel a need to rub the point in, especially since it was of questionable relevance that you weren't actually doing that well, but apparently taking the high road only makes you sink lower.

YOU are missing the point.

My build I was using with the CLAYMORE is the one I used when I played with you.
I ONLY used the Eviscerator literally 7 hours ago.

And you saying someone ELSE is full of themselves?...
Interesting....

I was doing well... I was in the lead until you used rockets. You claim to not care about score all the time, so why waste rockets during the extraction wave on Atlases that are of no consequence to the extraction other than to get in the lead by a meager 3,000 points??? It seems you are the kind of person that keeps track of scores only to rub them in people's faces when they critisize you.

We had almost equal scores throughout all the matches with deviations of only about 5,000-10,000. I actually outscored you in 3 or 4 of those matches.

Modifié par Drummernate, 29 avril 2012 - 05:09 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Drummernate wrote... And you saying someone ELSE is full of themselves?

  Yes.  I am.

Now, this is not a topic for you to pretend that you invented Geth melee, it's a topic to discuss the Geth Grenadier, so I'm not going to feed this nonsense further.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 29 avril 2012 - 05:15 .

[Drummernate]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

(frequently being outscored by a player who was trying out a new soldier class for the first time who wasn't hosting),

MmmHmm... contantly making up little edits to make you look better?...

The Geth were new the same time the Batarians were, so that point is invalid.

Kokatsu was the host on most of those, I only hosted maybe 3, and you hosted 1 or 2. So that is invalid as well.

Stooping lower and lower dude... lower and lower.

We disagree and that is fine, I am done with your constant edits that you try and sneak in... I don't have time to be looking back at 1:18 AM.

/Discussion

Modifié par Drummernate, 29 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Drummernate wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

(frequently being outscored by a player who was trying out a new soldier class for the first time who wasn't hosting),

MmmHmm... contantly making up little edits to make you look better?...

The Geth were new the same time the Batarians were, so that point is invalid.

Kokatsu was the host on most of those, I only hosted maybe 3, and you hosted 1 or 2. So that is invalid as well.

Stooping lower and lower dude... lower and lower.

We
disagree and that is fine, I am done with your constant edits that you
try and sneak in... I don't have time to be looking back at 1:18 AM.

/Discussion

Actually, you are the one harping on the scoring point. I said it was irrelevant and removed it from my post before anyone responded. I edited some details back in because you seemed to think it was such a big deal.  And then you accused me of insisting on bringing up scores and relying on that to invalidate your statements, even though I myself said it was irrelevant to my argument and had already provided a complete refutation independent of that.   I wonder what you think you're "invalidating"...?

I will summarize my refutation again:  No matter what you say, your build wasn't and isn't the same as mine, and you don't play the same way I do.  Saying it's "not different enough" because it only has one different power fully levelled up than you is a silly thing to say because there actually ISN'T much more variance than that in the ability lines (there's only space to drop one power line!).  As such, I feel it is inappropriate for you to take credit for creating my build, especially since you yourself have identified ways in which mine is very distinct from yours.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 29 avril 2012 - 05:37 .

[Drummernate]

More edits...

[GodlessPaladin]

Drummernate wrote...

More edits...

Wow, I bolded the word one twice to make the connection clearer, since you seemed to miss the point before.   So nefarious!

No matter how many ad hominem jibes, it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.  Your logic is faulty.  By your own absurd logic, I could claim that the OP's build is a copy of mine. 

Drummernate wrote... They both have maxed Melee. They both have Hunter Mode. The only difference is Proximty Mine.

They both have Hunter Mode.  They both have Proximity Mine.  The only difference is that it didn't take melee. 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 29 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[Drummernate]

You added a whole 'nother paragraph.

More than bolding one word if you ask me.

You bring logic into every arguement.... anchor much? You are not the only one that took some classes...

Modifié par Drummernate, 29 avril 2012 - 05:44 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Drummernate wrote...

You bring logic into every arguement.... anchor much?

...Now you're taking a stab at me for bringing logic into every argument. 

Oh no.  You are just making me look so bad here.

Drummernate wrote...



You added a whole 'nother paragraph.



More
than bolding one word if you ask me.

  I bolded two words with my second edit.  And anyways, what the hell is your point?  Editing together multiple paragraphs is just the way I post things (since I have a bad habit of hitting enter and "submit" when I'm done with the first paragraph).  It wasn't a ninja edit.  I didn't edit after you, or anyone, replied to it.  I certainly didn't change the fundamental content after someone replied to it.  You're reaching ineffectively for some way to smear my credibility because you have no response to any of my points.


Yeah, I think I'm done here.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 29 avril 2012 - 05:51 .

[Drummernate]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

You bring logic into every arguement.... anchor much? You are not the only one that took some classes...

...Now you're taking a stab at me for bringing logic into every argument.

Oh no.  You are just making me look so bad here.

I was saying more to the point that you sling the word logic around like it is some sort of magical wall that makes you invincible from every retort. (A case of failing to interpret the meaning of a sentence because it is in text.)

Honestly after seeing you post it in literally every single thread that there is an arguement almost makes you sound a bit like "LOGIC!  I WIN!"

That is like me saying:
"Oh well I have been in college since I was 16! Hence I must be smarter than you. Nothing you say after this post is relevant anymore."

Anybody can say the word logic, but that does not mean they actually know **** about what they are saying.

I can sling the term "Reading comprehension" at you seeing as you kept on talking about my Eviscerator being used instead of a Claymore even after I reminded you that I was using a Claymore in that match 2 or 3 times.

Modifié par Drummernate, 29 avril 2012 - 06:02 .

[GodlessPaladin]

As always when I've had discussions with you, you never actually reply to the core points I make. You spend all your time beating around the issue flailing ineffectively for some way to nitpick at my credibility without actually countering any of the points of my argument (such as the bit where I demonstrated that by following the same form of your claim, I could claim that the OP's build was a "copy" of mine and that I "taught" the OP how to do it.  This constitutes a logical counterexample, in the technical sense of the term, since it shows how your argument's form can produce an argument with all true premises and a false conclusion.  Incidentally, a properly constructed logical counterexample soundly refutes an argument).

But then, I suppose you think that's just me saying "logic, I win!" 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 29 avril 2012 - 06:13 .

[Drummernate]

What was the core point that I did not cover pray-tell???

I responded to everything in your original posts.
(Other than the crap ton of edits you do... I hate re-editing stuff every 3 seconds to answer new paragraphs)

You may say logic, but I have facts, facts beat logic no matter what.
I was in a match with you.
I was playing Geth Infiltrator Melee build.
I showed you the melee build.
You liked the melee build.
You make a topic about melee builds and make out to be one of the only people that does it right since "Ignoring proximity mine does not fit a melee playstyle" or something of that nature.

Use your big boy words all you want, I already disproved your main argument after my first reply.

You said it was "Fundamentally different" and the definition of Fundamental is "A basic principle, rule, law, or the like, that serves as the groundwork of a system; essential part: to master the fundamentals of a trade."

Obviously it was not the basic principle of the build seeing as a MELEE build will not be based off of PROXIMITY MINE. It may complement it, but it is NOT fundamental.

Totally done, going to sleep.... never doing this again. Jeez my eyes hurt.

Modifié par Drummernate, 29 avril 2012 - 06:32 .

[sanitarium616]

Get a room, you two.

[Drummernate]

Finally, I am so sorry for derailing this so much snorlax.

OT:
I will try out the grenadier tomorrow and provide feedback.

Sounds pretty fun.

Although I will have to promote... no biggie. It will probably only take an extra hour to get the main skills in.

It will be nice to pull out the Falcon again... it has been gathering dust for weeks. Heh... I will be sure to host! 

Modifié par Drummernate, 29 avril 2012 - 06:37 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Drummernate wrote...

What was the core point that I did not cover pray-tell???

  I... I just bloody listed one as an example in my very last post!  It's impossible to have a discussion with people like this...

You may say logic, but I have facts, facts beat logic no matter what.

*Facepalm*

I wonder, what exactly do you think establishes the concept of "facts"?  Oh right, logic.

I was in a match with you.
I was playing Geth Infiltrator Melee build.
I showed you the melee build.

  Uh huh.  That's all true, but none of those facts actually support your conclusion, which is soundly falsified by other facts which I have already listed.

You make a topic about melee builds

  Uhm, no I didn't.  I made a topic about a way to play the Geth Infiltrator effectively, and demonstrating an effective playstyle with videos.  I didn't even list the specific build until someone asked me for it...

and make out to be one of the only people that does it right since "Ignoring proximity mine does not fit a melee playstyle"

  This is a straw man argument.  Do not put words in my mouth I did not say.  I certainly never said my way was the only way, for example, and indeed I have expressed my support, in that thread and others, for a variety of effective GI builds. 

Use your big boy words all you want

...

*Facepalm*

Drummernate wrote...
Finally, I am so sorry for derailing this
so much snorlax.

  I too am sorry for my participation in this, Snorlax.  I'm sorry for even responding to this nonsense.  I just have a hard time ignoring someone who's saying that I'm somehow "stealing" from them, when clearly no such thing has occurred.  I tried to move this discussion to PMs several posts ago but Drummernate would not respond in anyplace but on this thread.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 29 avril 2012 - 06:55 .

[Drummernate]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Drummernate wrote...
Finally, I am so sorry for derailing this
so much snorlax.

  I too am sorry for my participation in this, Snorlax.  I'm sorry for even responding to this nonsense.  I just have a hard time ignoring someone who's saying that I'm somehow "stealing" from them, when no such thing has occurred.  I tried to resolve this in PMs but Drummernate would not respond in anyplace but on this thread.

It is hard to check PM's when you are not seeing a notification because the thread is so long from scrolling down. From what I can tell you did not even send it until 1:26AM which is after multiple replies.

Does the final word always have to be blaming someone else???

You even editted that in to put more blame on me...

Modifié par Drummernate, 29 avril 2012 - 06:59 .