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[SalsaDMA]

simfamSP wrote...

Let's just put all our doubts and negative opinions on the ec for a second, and think if it really IS awesome? It pulls a freaking great plot twist, there are different endings and it basically out does it's self...

Will it rekindle BioWare's rep? It's been pretty damanged as of late. The ME3 endings and DA2 was kick to the quad, so do you really think that 30/40 min of hopefullly awesome new content would bring back BioWare from that hole it's dug it's self in?

Please, I want an opinion without bias. I know alot of people are still angry, and I understand that. BioWare hasn't been handling the whole thing as best as they could have. But this is something that interests me.

It would mean that they had to be pressured before doing it.

Make of that what you want to.


That said, I doubt things will turn out as people hope. The timeframe involved, compared to the timeframe for producing an entire game (including various cutscenes) makes me seriously question Biowares integrity regarding the DLC. To me it feels more like a delaying tactic than an actual problemfix.

[Robhuzz]

I can't help but being skeptical. BioWare hasn't acknowledged the many problems with the endings -instead brushing it aside with 'needs clarification' and hiding behind artistic integrity - and if the same people who brought us that ending are working on the EC, then I'm not sure we can expect any better.

But in the extremely unlikely circumstance that the EC is actually awesome, removes the star child, the plot holes, the part where your decisions don't matter and makes it so we can have multiple different endings, including ones where the galaxy isn't screwed and Shepard can survive and live a proper life after with his LI, then I'll tip my hat to BioWare and my faith in them will be partially restored. I'd even look forward to future ME3 DLC in that case.

[BD Manchild]

After all that's happened, I'm not getting my hopes up. The ending as it stands is still garbage, in my opinion; I don't see how it can possibly be fixed with "explanations". The only solution to my mind is to scrap it and start over (or swipe the Indoctrination Theory), but Bioware have already stated that's not going to happen.

This is why I'm keeping my expectations as low as possible. That way if it's good, then great; if it just makes an already big pile of rubbish even larger, I've lost nothing.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

simfamSP wrote...
Will it rekindle BioWare's rep? It's been pretty damanged as of late. The ME3 endings and DA2 was kick to the quad, so do you really think that 30/40 min of hopefullly awesome new content would bring back BioWare from that hole it's dug it's self in?

It would be a huge step in the right direction.  Their next game may still get some skepticism but if they nail the next game as well, then I'd say all is forgiven.

[suprhomre]

most of you sum up my thoughts

[Eterna]

People will **** about it's awesomeness instead.

[mybudgee]

IF E.C. ends up being half as good as I hoped the end of the trilogy could have been:
*waiting for elevator* ... DING!
*doors open*
"Good morning Mr. Hudson!"
"Oh..Hello...you." *stink eye*
<_<
"So...uh... the Extended Cut DLC was pretty awesome, I just have a few.."
"Don't- "
"But wait, there was one thing.."
"I should go..."

Modifié par mybudgee, 29 avril 2012 - 10:05 .

[Archer]

simfamSP wrote...

Let's just put all our doubts and negative opinions on the ec for a second, and think if it really IS awesome? It pulls a freaking great plot twist, there are different endings and it basically out does it's self...

Will it rekindle BioWare's rep? It's been pretty damanged as of late. The ME3 endings and DA2 was kick to the quad, so do you really think that 30/40 min of hopefullly awesome new content would bring back BioWare from that hole it's dug it's self in?

Please, I want an opinion without bias. I know alot of people are still angry, and I understand that. BioWare hasn't been handling the whole thing as best as they could have. But this is something that interests me.

Not really sure how to give an opinion without being bias. The fact that its an opinion automaticly means i am going to be bias....

That said i think the damage is done-

Casey Hudson, Mac Walters and Mike Gamble lied about the game content to sell the game.

Even if the EC shoots gold out of my monitor it wont change that.

Said it before i am not abandoning Bioware but i am no longer following them with blind trust. ie no pre orders for me. FAN reviews before i buy.

I am more likely in the future to buy Dragon Age related products. Say what you will about DA2, but the DA team seem genuinley interested in fan feedback and talking to the fans. There are numerous threads in the DA forums that the DA team have joined. Hell most of the developer responses for ME3 have been from the DA Team. I have a lot of respect for Mike Laidlaw, David Gaider and co

Any future Bioware product that has Casey Hudson, Mac Walters or Mike Gamble names attached to it will need to be beyond awesome for me to buy it. I no longer have any respect for these three developers.

Activley talk to the community about why lying was considered a good marketing tool and maybe i will change my mind. EC DLC certainly wont, no matter how awesome.

So yes EC DLC might raise the bottom of the hole.

But theres still a hole

Modifié par eveynameiwantisfekintaken, 29 avril 2012 - 10:19 .

[StabGuy]

daigakuinsei wrote...

If it's awesome, I will send cookies to the ME3 team.

If It's bad? I say lets send them over nine thousand dog turds. They would only give away anything valuable.

[Mr Zoat2]

If it makes the ending either average or good I will actually buy the game. Once I have played it I will make a judgement about its other failings concerning future purchases. I do not think that this is likely to happen.

Modifié par Mr Zoat2, 29 avril 2012 - 11:01 .

[Nezodon101]

I for one wouldn't resent them for rewriting the endings in their entirety, after all the 3 ones they gave us - or just one if you are colour blind - were very lame, not at all what you would expect from the top notch writing we had till that point.

I suspect it will be a band aid to cover the many, many cracks in the plot. All I expect is a number of cut scenes to expand on the already lame endings, but the overall ending will be the same as it was.

I don't hold high hopes for the extended cut, I expect it will still be as unsatisfying as the garbage they have already given us, but I will still play it and find out for myself, hoping it will prove me wrong, but with these endings they have already given us we already know paragon or renegade mean nothing, we already know our war assets mean nothing, and we already know our choices are irrelevant, I hope to be proved wrong, but I don't expect to be.

[CommanderBald]

If the EC really is awesome, it will certainly improve my image of Bioware. Still no more pre-orders, though. Apparently we need to wait a few months to get a good ending. *shrug*

[AnthonyDraft]

XTR3M3 wrote...

if it does end up being awesome, I will consider buying other things from them. I will wait until reviews from REAL people too, not BS "professional" reviews that seem to be a "good 'ole boy" cheerleading club for the devs. The one bridge they can never mend with me is the pre-order. Their deceptive marketing filled with BS and outright crap like the "you won't just get an ABC ending" have ruined it for them.

>>>love your sword of truth sig there wizardry....one of my 2 favorite authors.

Didn't they say that this DLC would be fee? so why would you need to read reviews if you can play(or watch) by yourself?

[Yezdigerd]

If the EC is awesome it's good for the game I guess? Of course if BW is to be believed it couldn't be since it's just supposed embellish this absurd mockery of the franchice.
Anyway it doesn't matter as long as BW doesn't acknowledge the ending as the disgrace it is, players have no reason to trust their judgement in producing compelling games. That means poor buzz, collectors editions in small series, uphill battles in marketing etc.

[shepskisaac]

SalsaDMA wrote...
The timeframe involved, compared to the timeframe for producing an entire game (including various cutscenes) makes me seriously question Biowares integrity regarding the DLC.

How so? Kasumi was released 2 months after ME2. After another 2 months, we already got Overlord. LOTSB came out just 3 months later.

Right now we're already almost 2 months after ME3's release and there's still not a sign of release date for EC. Along with provisional summer 2012 release window, it's rather clear they will have at least as much developement time and most likely more than they had for ME2 DLCs, even the biggest one like LOSTB. So I don't get why you're concerned about timeframe.

[Blastback]

Hopefully it will restore my faith in the company. I really want a best case scenario. I want to belive that Bioware can still make games and tell stories that I can enjoy.

[Nefla]

I don't usually hold a grudge. If the EC is awesome, I will sing BioWare's praises to the rooftops, on facebook, to every friend I ever complained about the game to, etc...

[Artemis_Entrari]

eveynameiwantisfekintaken wrote...

Not really sure how to give an opinion without being bias. The fact that its an opinion automaticly means i am going to be bias....

That said i think the damage is done-

Casey Hudson, Mac Walters and Mike Gamble lied about the game content to sell the game.

Even if the EC shoots gold out of my monitor it wont change that.

Said it before i am not abandoning Bioware but i am no longer following them with blind trust. ie no pre orders for me. FAN reviews before i buy.

I am more likely in the future to buy Dragon Age related products. Say what you will about DA2, but the DA team seem genuinley interested in fan feedback and talking to the fans. There are numerous threads in the DA forums that the DA team have joined. Hell most of the developer responses for ME3 have been from the DA Team. I have a lot of respect for Mike Laidlaw, David Gaider and co

Any future Bioware product that has Casey Hudson, Mac Walters or Mike Gamble names attached to it will need to be beyond awesome for me to buy it. I no longer have any respect for these three developers.

Activley talk to the community about why lying was considered a good marketing tool and maybe i will change my mind. EC DLC certainly wont, no matter how awesome.

So yes EC DLC might raise the bottom of the hole.

But theres still a hole

I agree with this.  Especially with regards to the bolded, it's night and day the interaction between those involved in DA and those involved in ME.

And I think that's where a lot of the issues stem from.  Hudson, Gamble and Co. aren't interacting with fans.  They're hiding behind PR releases about artistic integrity.  Whereas Laidlaw, Gaider, and Co. actually addressed the complaints of fans.  They may have disagreed with the complaints, and even debated the merits of them.  But at least fans had an opportunity to have a back and forth with the guys who made DA2 to express themselves.

So even if the EC is awesome, there's still going to be that residual resentment and bitterness lingering there for me because of how those involved with ME3 completely distanced themselves from any sort of interaction with fans post-release.

Modifié par Artemis_Entrari, 29 avril 2012 - 06:46 .

[Kmack11]

Random Geth wrote...

It won't be.

If you honestly think that, then why are you here?  Just to whine and complain?

[abaris]

IsaacShep wrote...

How so? Kasumi was released 2 months after ME2. After another 2 months, we already got Overlord. LOTSB came out just 3 months later.

First, you can assume, they already were in the works when the actual game came out.

Secondly, it's one thing to create a DLC where there's just one story with a limited set of characters. But it's quite another task to really take into consideration what choices could have been made by the player.

If they're really starting from scratch with this one, it's quite an effort to create more than just a few cutscenes. So, don't hang your hopes too high.

[FlashedMyDrive]

I already know the ending is crap, Bioware doesn't need to explain why it stinks.

Modifié par FlashedMyDrive, 29 avril 2012 - 06:56 .

[Irishfafnir]

No, they already said they won't change the ending just expand on it. The 3 choice BS was the biggest fault I had with the game, it flies in the face of everything the games had taught us up to this point. We are supposed to meekly accept the Reapers logic, when throughout the games Shepard as told them that we can win Saren in ME 1, Harbringer in Arrival, and to the reaper on Rannoch. Many people have pointed out the many faults in the catalyst's logic, why does Shepard become a husk and just meekly go along when everything else up to this point has been the polar opposite?

If they add more epilogue so I can find out what happens to everyone, that would be cool. If they add some more content into the horrible earth mission that would also be cool. But it won't fix the basic problem that the ending suffers from.

[AlanC9]

Whether Shepard accepts the logic or not isn't really relevant. In the end, the Crucible only does what the Crucible can do. Arguing would have been fun, but why should it change anything?

[shepskisaac]

abaris wrote...
First, you can assume, they already were in the works when the actual game came out.

No. Kasumi? Maybe. Overlord and LOTSB especially definitely not.

abaris wrote...
Secondly, it's one thing to create a DLC where there's just one story with a limited set of characters. But it's quite another task to really take into consideration what choices could have been made by the player.

And it's a different thing when you have entire new levels and gamplay to create, something that won't be the case for EC

[Errationatus]

Here's a scenario, OP:

If I lie to you every day for a solid year, then tell you that it's your fault for being too stupid to tell the difference, and then offer you a big shiny box that rattles hollowly as a way of making it up to you... 

...would you trust me then?