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[Legion_IV]

Yezdigerd wrote...

Legion_IV wrote...

I hate this ending talk. Not because I think it is stupid infact infact I feel the complete opposite, but because all the other problems many are having with the game such as the Railroading, Lack of choice etc. are just completely overshadowed by the ending.

The thing is that they are different levels of problems, every game have flaws causing varying degrees of concern. If you game you learn to work around them if you like the game itself.
The ME3 ending isn't merely flawed and poorly crafted, (even though it's that too) the thing that cause the uproar is the total disregard for mass effect experience itself. If you aren't familiar with the mass effect universe you likely find it mediocre forgettable, If you have followed shepard's journey and the universe around him/her the ending is a mockery, further compounded by BW unwillingness to recognize it.

The same goes for the problems within the game. You have spent many hours playing as your Shepard and then all of a sudden it is no longer your Shepard but Bioware's Shepard through auto-dialogue and cut scenes which you no longer have control over, which is why many have concerns over the endings because you do not have control of how Shepard reacts. Yet this has been going on pretty much throughout the whole game.

[AlanC9]

Legion_IV wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Legion_IV wrote...

I hate this ending talk. Not because I think it is stupid infact infact I feel the complete opposite, but because all the other problems many are having with the game such as the Railroading, Lack of choice etc. are just completely overshadowed by the ending. Many people do think that 99% of the game is perfect but I disagree with that statement more than the endings itself.

Well, if you want to discuss those things instead you probably shouldn't be hanging out in a thread about the EC. We had a pretty good exploration thread going last week.

What I was trying to say was that no matter how good the EC DLC is, the other problems will still exist throughout the game and my stance on it riding on the back of the previous 2 games will still remain. I am trying to remain optimistic however and I am hoping that the EC will resolve many of my issues I had with the ending, but I am not getting my hopes up. 

OK, gotcha. I think you're completely wrong about all of that, but we can save that for threads where it's on-topic.

[Bluko]

If the Extended Cut is actually as good as I'm hoping it will be... then I can at least be happy again the series will at least be playable. Currently IMO it is not because the current ending makes no sense and contradicts greatly the themes of the entire series taken at face value. I truly find it worrisome there a few people who like the endings or are okay with it.

That said even if the Extended Cut takes care of everything that's wrong with the ending there's still quite a bit wrong with ME3 as it is. Face Imports still haven't been fully fixed or so I've been told. There's a lot of glitchy conversations that need to be fixed in patches. Seriously way too much "Exorcist" head twisting going to be acceptable in what's an AAA title. There's also that little nagging issue you need to be online and play multiplayer to get sufficient war assets multiplier for the best ending. And in general the game seems to have suffered as a result of rushed development.


While I will be pleased that Bioware is attempting to make things right that does not pardon the fact they have been highly misleading. Look if you drop something on my foot and apologize that's fine. Mistakes and accidents happen. If you drop something on my foot and try to make up stuff for why it did that is not fine though. The whole way this thing has been handled is pretty insulting to fans and I believe we are perfectly right to be unhappy about it. Thing is once someone has shown they have the contempt to lie to you they will most certainly do so again. To what extent is hard to say. But that's the problem. Once you are shown to be liar there is no going back to being an honest person. You have forfeited your right to be trusted.

That said Bioware is a company which sells things. It is already inherently foolish to trust them as in our economic system it's not about the "fair" price it's about the "best" price. That said though what trust I use to have in Bioware is now gone. I now fully expect them to lie to at all given opportunities if it suits them. That's not to say I think Bioware is incapable of making great games however. I just won't believe what they say is great until fellow gamers confirm this. So yeah no pre-orders from me. Though pre-ordering something is generally a naive thing to do anyways. It's something I made the mistake of doing this generation and I will not be doing ever again if I can help it.

[Ghost-621]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

BioWare could give everyone a million dollars and a pony.

People would still **** about it.

Some people have opinons that differ from yours.

You're still going to be a hot-headed bigot until you accept that.

You accuse me of being a bigot because I like the endings. You constantly throw around the term "BioBigot" to describe anyone you don't like. You accuse Planned Parenthood of murdering infants. 

Yeah, uh, this is the first and only time I will ever respond to you. You're a hateful little person and I have no interest in even trying to talk to you. Please, continue on spewing your vileness and vitriol at people, I just won't take the bait.

Really now? I had no idea calling everyone who doesn't like the ending a **** is completely ok! THAT is why I called you a bigot. I couldn't care less if you loved the ending. So, what does my view of Planned Parenthood have to do with you being a bigot? Quite a pathetic mudslinging attempt, there. C'mon, try harder!

Also, I've used the term "BioBigot" twice, mainly to describe people exactly like you. Considering all the things you say to people you disagree with, I'd say I'm not the hateful one, nor am I the one spewing "vileness and vitriol" at people, the BSN has you for that.

However, having you silent would be very nice. One less hateful bigot for me to waste my time with. Though, if you're afraid of an actual argument, you shouldn't make generalizing statements then reply with "I'm just too good to argue!!11" It's ok, you're not fooling anyone.

[HellbirdIV]

If the EC is good, then that's nice I guess. Still won't make people forget what a colossal failiure the original ending was nor the condescending attitude displayed by Bioware towards the fanbase as soon as complaints started piling.

[Emzamination]

Atakuma wrote...

It doesn't matter. Some will hate it by virtue of it's existence, others will nitpick it to death, and the rest will continue to cry over spilled milk and some will love it.

Fixed

[Ghost-621]

jreezy wrote...

We should have a "What if the EC sucks?" thread to balance this one out.

Don't you tempt me.

[Legion_IV]

AlanC9 wrote...

Legion_IV wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Legion_IV wrote...

I hate this ending talk. Not because I think it is stupid infact infact I feel the complete opposite, but because all the other problems many are having with the game such as the Railroading, Lack of choice etc. are just completely overshadowed by the ending. Many people do think that 99% of the game is perfect but I disagree with that statement more than the endings itself.

Well, if you want to discuss those things instead you probably shouldn't be hanging out in a thread about the EC. We had a pretty good exploration thread going last week.

What I was trying to say was that no matter how good the EC DLC is, the other problems will still exist throughout the game and my stance on it riding on the back of the previous 2 games will still remain. I am trying to remain optimistic however and I am hoping that the EC will resolve many of my issues I had with the ending, but I am not getting my hopes up. 

OK, gotcha. I think you're completely wrong about all of that, but we can save that for threads where it's on-topic.

Sure, but I must say that I do not want to come across as someone who will hate whatever comes my way because thats just stupidity at its greatest. But with everything that has gone on over the past 2 months I am finding it difficult to beleive anything that Bioware says about the EC to be the truth. I hope I am wrong though.

[Legion_IV]

Ghost-621 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

We should have a "What if the EC sucks?" thread to balance this one out.

Don't you tempt me.

There is one somewhere, it was basically a load of people saying What if? you mean When?

[Ghost-621]

Legion_IV wrote...

Sure, but I must say that I do not want to come across as someone who will hate whatever comes my way because thats just stupidity at its greatest. But with everything that has gone on over the past 2 months I am finding it difficult to beleive anything that Bioware says about the EC to be the truth. I hope I am wrong though.

Don't bother hoping that you're wrong. Just accept that you're right.

[Ravenmyste]

jreezy wrote...

We should have a "What if the EC sucks?" thread to balance this one out.

nah that would apeal to the trollicks, and then  that would be deleted after seeing this thread and than this thread will be deleted due  you thinking that and  vicious forum cycle, and we will only hav to wait till the 15th then the trolicks will migrate back to diablo 3 and complain on those forums

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 29 avril 2012 - 11:23 .

[wizardryforever]

jreezy wrote...

We should have a "What if the EC sucks?" thread to balance this one out.

That would be rather pointless, since the general assumption around here is that it's going to suck.  That kinda makes the "what if" question redundant to them.

[Ghost-621]

Ravenmyste wrote...

jreezy wrote...

We should have a "What if the EC sucks?" thread to balance this one out.

nathat would apeal to the trollicks

Yes, because everyone who distrusts BioWare at this point is a troll. Your logic is unfathomable.

[Legion_IV]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Legion_IV wrote...

Sure, but I must say that I do not want to come across as someone who will hate whatever comes my way because thats just stupidity at its greatest. But with everything that has gone on over the past 2 months I am finding it difficult to beleive anything that Bioware says about the EC to be the truth. I hope I am wrong though.

Don't bother hoping that you're wrong. Just accept that you're right.

It is the most realistic I suppose.

[Ghost-621]

jreezy wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

We should have a "What if the EC sucks?" thread to balance this one out.

Don't you tempt me.

DO IT! If you want to anyway, don't mind me.

Don't make me do stuff! 

[Ravenmyste]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

jreezy wrote...

We should have a "What if the EC sucks?" thread to balance this one out.

nathat would apeal to the trollicks

Yes, because everyone who distrusts BioWare at this point is a troll. Your logic is unfathomable.

i never said that  now stop putting words in my mouth , but you could try to be little more  transparent on getting your point across, since you just  went to flame  and not seeing what i wrote after i edited, soo i  i think i have the right classification  for you..

youre a troll that just got butthurt for me calling it  in this thread sorry but you cant deny you are

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 29 avril 2012 - 11:23 .

[Squadrito]

Awesome?- forgive and forget. buy EA and Bioware products.
****ty?- Sell my Collectors Edition. If not? I smash it into a million pieces and mail it to Bioware with an angry letter. Then I'll file another false advertising claim with the BBB. Never buy EA or Bioware products again*

*(except C&C Generals 2)

[Ghost-621]

Ravenmyste wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

jreezy wrote...

We should have a "What if the EC sucks?" thread to balance this one out.

nathat would apeal to the trollicks

Yes, because everyone who distrusts BioWare at this point is a troll. Your logic is unfathomable.

i never said that  now stop putting words in my mouth , but you could try to be little more  transparent on getting your point across, since you just  went to flame  and not seeing what i wrote after i edited, soo i  i think i have the right classification  for you..

youre a troll that just got butthurt for me calling it  in this thread sorry but you cant deny you are

See? Such wisdom this one has! If I wanted to flame you, it would have been much, much worse than declaring your logic flawed, but okay, resort to the name-calling. I forgive you

[Volus Warlord]

If it is awesome..

it will be too late to be relevant.

[Ravenmyste]

Squadrito wrote...

Awesome?- forgive and forget. buy EA and Bioware products.
****ty?- Sell my Collectors Edition. If not? I smash it into a million pieces and mail it to Bioware with an angry letter. Then I'll file another false advertising claim with the BBB. Never buy EA or Bioware products again*

*(except C&C Generals 2)

which will... do absolutely they already go you money, file to the BBB what will that do right nothing they don't belong to them since they dont pay to get there rating, so that's lost cause as you seen before...

BBB will not be able to do do anything except say yeah they have no rating with and not accredited business, means that ea/bioware do not care what BBB says

[Ravenmyste]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

jreezy wrote...

We should have a "What if the EC sucks?" thread to balance this one out.

nathat would apeal to the trollicks

Yes, because everyone who distrusts BioWare at this point is a troll. Your logic is unfathomable.

i never said that  now stop putting words in my mouth , but you could try to be little more  transparent on getting your point across, since you just  went to flame  and not seeing what i wrote after i edited, soo i  i think i have the right classification  for you..

youre a troll that just got butthurt for me calling it  in this thread sorry but you cant deny you are

See? Such wisdom this one has! If I wanted to flame you, it would have been much, much worse than declaring your logic flawed, but okay, resort to the name-calling. I forgive you

lol and here we go again bud i got my point across and you still continue to try to down play me,  so who trolling  yeah  i say you are, nice try and i grateful to have  you on block now since you are indeed a troll that tries to cause a stir by saying my logic is flawed when its actually  right to the point with you and yes you did try to flame in that last  paragraph.. 

and you tried again to get me to  respond ina  sucha manner that would show that you are getting to me  which by the way i find ammusing, go troll some one that can be trolled:police:

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 29 avril 2012 - 11:35 .

[Ghost-621]

jreezy wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

We should have a "What if the EC sucks?" thread to balance this one out.

Don't you tempt me.

DO IT! If you want to anyway, don't mind me.

Don't make me do stuff! 

You know you want to.

I do. I did it.