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[Gabriel Arcaeus]

BioWare says, "I'm So Meta, Even This Acronym"

[GLR-0053]

ItsNotMyProblem wrote...

OP has been indoctrinated

No he..just thinks..differently..thats all. 

[Cypher_CS]

Smitridel, I personally wouldn't both dealing with posts who basically claim "your opinion is wrong"....

[Wintermaulz]

 
Touche good sir
Really hit the nail on the head
One mearly needs to dig deeper to under stand the ending
Life has taught me to apreciate the whole of the object , not one piece of it
Looks like you understand;)

Modifié par Wintermaulz, 29 avril 2012 - 12:35 .

[The Angry One]

Cypher_CS wrote...

Smitridel, I personally wouldn't both dealing with posts who basically claim "your opinion is wrong"....

If one must bring in esoteric arguments to justify the ending, rather than defend it on it's own merits, then you have already lost.

[Creepter]

Yeah, the ending was almost a masterpiece. Almost pure perfection.
Almost.

If only it hadn't been broken mess that fails on every level of narrative coherency and comes off as written by a retarded monkey.

Almost a masterpiece.

[beyondsolo]

Smitridel wrote...

After setting aside the Single Player Capaign in favor of the Multiplayer for a month or so, I thought I'd give it a go and finish the game and see what that fuss was all about.
(Note that I havent read or heard any of the endings analysis before completing the game, just the general idea that fans were dissaponted with the ending.)

So.
Final moments.
Congratulations are in order to the writing panel of the game!

While I do understand that some people may be dissaponted and/or be enraged with the non-happy endings and the lack of choise in the matter, I found the ending...incredible (By the way, I chose to destroy them)

All that mind-boggling situation where the game sets you, even after you finished it  and start searching, analysing theories, creating arguments while taking into account the game as a SERIES and as a whole (see: Indoctrination Theory) and not as a standalone part, is the most satisfying metagaming experience.

Having said that, although I may be one of the few, I'll gladly declare that Im fully satisfied with the product as a whole series.
Kudos Bioware! You did one hell of a job writing that masterpiece of a story!




P.S. I proudly belong to the generation having enjoyed Fallout 1,2, Baldur's Gate and such products in their prime time, that are nowadays considered epic in terms of storytelling and rpg elements. 
I'll gladly note that game down on this list.

Well, yeah. Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for contributing to the discussion. I wouldn't go as far as calling a rushed and unfinished piece of writing which offers you three ethically equally disgusting choices, entirely breaks with the theme of the entire series, and is sloppily presented a masterpiece, but then again that's just me. I've come to terms with not being as intelligent and educated as the intellectual elite who has, unlike me, understood the ending. Duh. I should go.

Modifié par beyondsolo, 29 avril 2012 - 12:36 .

[Smitridel]

The Angry One wrote...

I'm sorry, but if the Extended Cut turns out to be IT (I'm sure it won't) then all it will show is that BioWare copied a fan theory and made it canon.

The window where BioWare could have proved that IT was their plan all along has come and gone. It's too late.

I really dont get, why on earth, would Bioware writers copy a fan theory, instead of having that idea on their head all along?
Are they that shallow or stupid and are we that clever and creative or is it that the only creative force on Bioware is their Collective Fan Base opinion?

Also why do you say it's too late?

[wookieboy15]

Wintermaulz wrote...

 
Touche good sir
Really hit the nail on the head
One mearly needs to dig deeper to under stand the ending
Life has taught me to apreciate the whole of the object , not one piece of it
Looks like you understand;)

I can dig it

[Cypher_CS]

The Angry One wrote...

Cypher_CS wrote...

Smitridel, I personally wouldn't both dealing with posts who basically claim "your opinion is wrong"....

If one must bring in esoteric arguments to justify the ending, rather than defend it on it's own merits, then you have already lost.

Dude, in other topics, you actually argue on facts (be they baseless or otherwise) - but here you just basically replied to a topic saying "My opinion is that this was a great ending, thanks", with "Your opinion completely doesn't matter cause you play MP and you don't care about SP, so shut up".

So yeah, this isn't a discussion about the merits of the endings.
It's just him saying he liked in, and you lot jumping in telling him how much and how exactly he is wrong about it.

[Catroi]

Wintermaulz wrote...

 
Touche good sir
Really hit the nail on the head
One mearly needs to dig deeper to under stand the ending
Life has taught me to apreciate the whole of the object , not one piece of it
Looks like you understand;)

^this post is awesome

[Codeka]

See, the ending is so bad I don't even believe people when they say they liked it. Like I don't get the urge to argue or anything, I just don't even believe it's true no matter how hard I try,

How absurd/plothole ridden must something be for you to dislike it? What if godchild had been let's say a Polar Bear or if Joker was seen crashing the normandy into a Borg Cube - would you then think it was bad or would it still be a masterpiece?

You know, I can accept liking the concept of the ending. I dislike it strongly but I would respect an opinion or personal preference that was for the concept. The issue doesn't stopped there - The Ending was rushed and poorly implemented by the developers - throwing all artistic integrity arguments out the window.

It's a testimony to game dev failure, nothing else and so no smart/perceptive gamer can honestly like the ending. The can like the concept of the ending, the literary(lol) aspect of it but they can never honestly say it was well programmed/designed/thoughtout

[AlexXIV]

Smitridel wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I'm sorry, but if the Extended Cut turns out to be IT (I'm sure it won't) then all it will show is that BioWare copied a fan theory and made it canon.

The window where BioWare could have proved that IT was their plan all along has come and gone. It's too late.

I really dont get, why on earth, would Bioware writers copy a fan theory, instead of having that idea on their head all along?
Are they that shallow or stupid and are we that clever and creative or is it that the only creative force on Bioware is their Collective Fan Base opinion?

Also why do you say it's too late?

Once DG asked why we would assume Bioware is doing something in the worst possible way (that was before DA2 release). Well, we don't know, but I am sure someone at Bioware could answer it now. If they were allowed to.

[The Angry One]

Smitridel wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I'm sorry, but if the Extended Cut turns out to be IT (I'm sure it won't) then all it will show is that BioWare copied a fan theory and made it canon.

The window where BioWare could have proved that IT was their plan all along has come and gone. It's too late.

I really dont get, why on earth, would Bioware writers copy a fan theory, instead of having that idea on their head all along?
Are they that shallow or stupid and are we that clever and creative or is it that the only creative force on Bioware is their Collective Fan Base opinion?

I'm not saying they will, I'm saying that if they did, they would be copying.

Also why do you say it's too late?

If the idea was theirs and they were already working on it, why not announce it at PAX? Seemed like the perfect opportunity for me. 

[The Angry One]

Cypher_CS wrote...

Dude, in other topics, you actually argue on facts (be they baseless or otherwise) - but here you just basically replied to a topic saying "My opinion is that this was a great ending, thanks", with "Your opinion completely doesn't matter cause you play MP and you don't care about SP, so shut up".

So yeah, this isn't a discussion about the merits of the endings.
It's just him saying he liked in, and you lot jumping in telling him how much and how exactly he is wrong about it.

I find the argument that the ending is meta to lack any merit, and I will say so.

[Lhawke]

Well I suppose some people don't care if plots don't make sense. So why did the reapers leave the horsehead nebula and sol system mass relays active and close down all the other relays.

Not to mention why all of a sudden it's ok for dreadnaughts to fire their weapons at planets when me2 told us quiet clearly that it was not ok to do so. There are many reasons I think the me3 sp game was a waste of disk space and shepards fate was not one of them.

The only thing I like about me3 is the enemy combat ai and Garrus.

[AlexXIV]

The Angry One wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I'm sorry, but if the Extended Cut turns out to be IT (I'm sure it won't) then all it will show is that BioWare copied a fan theory and made it canon.

The window where BioWare could have proved that IT was their plan all along has come and gone. It's too late.

I really dont get, why on earth, would Bioware writers copy a fan theory, instead of having that idea on their head all along?
Are they that shallow or stupid and are we that clever and creative or is it that the only creative force on Bioware is their Collective Fan Base opinion?

I'm not saying they will, I'm saying that if they did, they would be copying.

Also why do you say it's too late?

If the idea was theirs and they were already working on it, why not announce it at PAX? Seemed like the perfect opportunity for me. 

If it was their idea they could have foreshadowed it. And what is the "grandfather, tell me a story" part supposed to be? Shepard dreaming? For god's sake it would just make everything worse.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 29 avril 2012 - 12:46 .

[Navasha]

Good for you OP.... Don't mind the haters.

I have certain issues with the ending, but loved the game. However, by expressly telling your opinion on these forums you will draw the ire of the haters, who can't abide anyone having an opinion that is different than their own.

Don't let their belittling attacks change your view of the game.

[Aylyese]

 I would just like to take this opportunity to once again point out that the majority of disenfranchised retakers do not care that it is not a 'happy ending'. We are happy to sacrifice Shepard. We expect to.
Yes there is some people who want blue babies and spiky babies and houses on Rannoch.. but we all do agree on an ending that makes some vague kind of sense would be a great start. 

The 'Synthetic Organic Cycle' crap was the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard since I read Breaking Dawn. 

[Smitridel]

The Angry One wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I'm sorry, but if the Extended Cut turns out to be IT (I'm sure it won't) then all it will show is that BioWare copied a fan theory and made it canon.

The window where BioWare could have proved that IT was their plan all along has come and gone. It's too late.

I really dont get, why on earth, would Bioware writers copy a fan theory, instead of having that idea on their head all along?
Are they that shallow or stupid and are we that clever and creative or is it that the only creative force on Bioware is their Collective Fan Base opinion?

I'm not saying they will, I'm saying that if they did, they would be copying.

Also why do you say it's too late?

If the idea was theirs and they were already working on it, why not announce it at PAX? Seemed like the perfect opportunity for me. 

1. Again why would they be copying it? What proof is there to support that thay havent thought of it in the first case before they even released the ending?

2. Why should they announce everything at PAX? As far as Im concerned, companies like to keep something for themselves to keep the fan interest high and speculations rising.
Either way there is no solid proof on what exactly the Extended Cut would include.

Or maybe I choose to believe that is the case as you seem to choose to believe that it was our (fanbase idea).
There are no solid clues to get a definite conclusion, yet.
Only opinions.

I find the argument that the ending is meta to lack any merit, and I will say so.

Maybe we have different views on the term of metagaming, but the fact that a whole bunch of fans create videos, theories, arguments, clues (real or speculative) is "meta-gaming" to me and to a whole bunch of people that have used this term for a lot of years.

[alayyubi]

ItsNotMyProblem wrote...

OP has been indoctrinated

haha, i agree. how cud anyone think the ending is a masterpiece ? i even prefer DA2 ending (when Anders seem the real hero, not Hawke) better than ME3, and that is saying a lot !

[AlexXIV]

Navasha wrote...

Good for you OP.... Don't mind the haters.

I have certain issues with the ending, but loved the game. However, by expressly telling your opinion on these forums you will draw the ire of the haters, who can't abide anyone having an opinion that is different than their own.

Don't let their belittling attacks change your view of the game.

Blah calling it masterpiece was just flame bait. If you go about voicing your opinion like this it is the most natural answer. I personally am sure the OP is a mediocre veiled trolling attempted. Hey it worked, so that's at least something.

[Velocithon]

Meh. It's your opinion. Whatever.

I think any game ending that makes people go online, create alternate ending theories and completely retconned ending scenes on YouTube is a pretty ****ty ending, IMO.

[Wintermaulz]

alayyubi wrote...

ItsNotMyProblem wrote...

OP has been indoctrinated

haha, i agree. how cud anyone think the ending is a masterpiece ? i even prefer DA2 ending (when Anders seem the real hero, not Hawke) better than ME3, and that is saying a lot !

I'll refer you to the 1st response, and my post up above. Explains perfectly how OP could like the endings. 

[Swordfishtrombone]

The "metagaming" was caused by the ending, on it's face, being so incredibly poorly written, that many people who had invested themselves in the series were unable to accept it as real.

I wouldn't give Bioware credit for that - metagaming "success" through a dramatic and suddend decline in the quality of writing.