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[Smitridel]

Navasha wrote...

Good for you OP.... Don't mind the haters.

I have certain issues with the ending, but loved the game. However, by expressly telling your opinion on these forums you will draw the ire of the haters, who can't abide anyone having an opinion that is different than their own.

Don't let their belittling attacks change your view of the game.

I don't intend to
I knew the consequences although I expected a little less meme trolling and little more constructive critisism.

However, I find it quite interesting and intriguing  that "haters", even though they dissaprove of everything contrary to  what they have in mind, continue to contribute to conversations inside these game fora,on a company that they seem sworn to take down.

[AlexXIV]

Smitridel wrote...

Navasha wrote...

Good for you OP.... Don't mind the haters.

I have certain issues with the ending, but loved the game. However, by expressly telling your opinion on these forums you will draw the ire of the haters, who can't abide anyone having an opinion that is different than their own.

Don't let their belittling attacks change your view of the game.

I don't intend to
I knew the consequences although I expected a little less meme trolling and little more constructive critisism.

However, I find it quite interesting and intriguing  that "haters", even though they dissaprove of everything contrary to  what they have in mind, continue to contribute to conversations inside these game fora,on a company that they seem sworn to take down.

Please, don't try to insult our intelligence. I know you're trolling all the way. If Bioware can't do it, you can't for certain.

[Aylyese]

Smitridel wrote...

However, I find it quite interesting and intriguing  that "haters", even though they dissaprove of everything contrary to  what they have in mind, continue to contribute to conversations inside these game fora,on a company that they seem sworn to take down.

No intention on "taking down" bioware. If the loss of the disenfranchised is enough to cause the end of BioWare, this is certainly not the failing of the disenfranchised. 

But the 'haters' contribute to conversations about the Mass Effect 3 ending on the official Mass Effect 3 forum because it is generally the place that you would expect to partake in coversations about ME3.

Seems simple enough to me.

[GreyLycanTrope]

To paraphrase Tali, I understand OP , I don't agree with you, but I understand. I'm glad you liked it but metagaming just isn't what many of us signed on for.

[Smitridel]

AlexXIV wrote...

[Blah calling it masterpiece was just flame bait. If you go about voicing your opinion like this it is the most natural answer. I personally am sure the OP is a mediocre veiled trolling attempted. Hey it worked, so that's at least something.

Im dissapointed by the way you define my post as flame bait.
I suppose you think that everyone that has played the game to the end cannot voice his opinion if he/she found the ending pleasurable or a masterpiece.

I have/had no intention of flaming and the fact that according to you, people that have an appreciation of the ending instead of the usual swearing/whinning posts (be it constructive or not), is considered flame.

[AlexXIV]

Smitridel wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

[Blah calling it masterpiece was just flame bait. If you go about voicing your opinion like this it is the most natural answer. I personally am sure the OP is a mediocre veiled trolling attempted. Hey it worked, so that's at least something.

Im dissapointed by the way you define my post as flame bait.
I suppose you think that everyone that has played the game to the end cannot voice his opinion if he/she found the ending pleasurable or a masterpiece.

I have/had no intention of flaming and the fact that according to you, people that have an appreciation of the ending instead of the usual swearing/whinning posts (be it constructive or not), is considered flame.

You admitted yourself that you knew beforehand how people feel about the Ending. So you wrote the OP and topic exactly in this fashion to provoke this kind of reaction. I wouldn't know what your motivation was. Maybe wanted to make people look stupid, or bad. Or you've just been bored. What do I know. Anyway, you got your desired reaction, grats to that.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 29 avril 2012 - 01:16 .

[Shaigunjoe]

Nice point about the meta experience.

Though I don't think IT is the case, but it really isn't invalid than anything else, and I don't think the EC will clarify that any.

[GLR-0053]

I hope that you understand that topics like these along with everything else has been discussed to death. So if you're  looking for constructive feed back you won't get a lot, because it ultimately results in either flame wars or people have become bored with the subject that a constructive response isn't likely to happen...

I don't like the ending, but I'm glad that you do. I'm pretty sure most of us did not and did ask for or enjoyed the "meta gaming experience."  I know I don't.

Modifié par GLR-0053, 29 avril 2012 - 01:58 .

[Codeka]

Smitridel wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

[Blah calling it masterpiece was just flame bait. If you go about voicing your opinion like this it is the most natural answer. I personally am sure the OP is a mediocre veiled trolling attempted. Hey it worked, so that's at least something.

Im dissapointed by the way you define my post as flame bait.
I suppose you think that everyone that has played the game to the end cannot voice his opinion if he/she found the ending pleasurable or a masterpiece.

I have/had no intention of flaming and the fact that according to you, people that have an appreciation of the ending instead of the usual swearing/whinning posts (be it constructive or not), is considered flame.

I don't see you replying to my post. I take you down pretty hard,

[Smitridel]

Codeka wrote...

See, the ending is so bad I don't even believe people when they say they liked it. Like I don't get the urge to argue or anything, I just don't even believe it's true no matter how hard I try,

How absurd/plothole ridden must something be for you to dislike it? What if godchild had been let's say a Polar Bear or if Joker was seen crashing the normandy into a Borg Cube - would you then think it was bad or would it still be a masterpiece?

You know, I can accept liking the concept of the ending. I dislike it strongly but I would respect an opinion or personal preference that was for the concept. The issue doesn't stopped there - The Ending was rushed and poorly implemented by the developers - throwing all artistic integrity arguments out the window.

It's a testimony to game dev failure, nothing else and so no smart/perceptive gamer can honestly like the ending. The can like the concept of the ending, the literary(lol) aspect of it but they can never honestly say it was well programmed/designed/thoughtout

Sorry for not quoting before. There are a lot of posts, you know, that I have not  had the time to answer.
Although I really dont get on what you want me to answer.

I respect your opinion, I dont agree, I find it a little too focused on the details not getting the whole picture, but still it's okay with me.

Although would you kindly elaborate on the programming or development failure? 
How was it rushed and poorly implemented/designed/ thoughtout? 

The way I see it, they wanted to give that vague or maybe incoherent feeling throughout the last moments, to get you right to the point of doubting if thats all there is, or maybe you (the player) can read more into it.

EDIT: Its all down to personal belief.
I choose to believe that it was all intentional, while you choose to believe that it was rushed, possibly taking into account the leaked interview about the Bioware writer and the cutting the ending story, while I havent read all that untill I had finished the game.

Modifié par Smitridel, 29 avril 2012 - 01:40 .

[Smitridel]

GLR-0053 wrote...

I hope that you understand that topics like these along with everything else has been discussed to death. So if you're are looking for constructive feed back you won't get a lot, because it ultimately results in either flame wars or people have become bored with the subject that a constructive response isn't likely to happen...

I don't like the ending, but I'm glad that you do. I'm pretty sure most of us did not and did ask for or enjoyed the "meta gaming experience."  I know I don't.

Yes, I do understand that.
Although I refuse to accept that there is only a minimum number of people that liked the ending.

Just thought I'd give a possitive view of the ending, contrary to popular belief that the ending sucked

[Creepter]

Smitridel wrote...
Yes, I do understand that.
Although I refuse to accept that there is only a minimum number of people that liked the ending.

Just thought I'd give a possitive view of the ending, contrary to popular belief that the ending sucked

What, you believe that there's a silent majority that likes the ending or that the two "forces" are equals?

And is it okay to completely fail at writing a narratively coherent story as long as the end result is 'meta gaming'?

[fr33stylez]

With regards to MP: A funny point is that I hear people here sometimes insult games like Gears of War. Then Bioware goes ahead and makes their entire (unnecessary) multiplayer mode a stripped-down, bastardized version of ONE game mode from Gears of War.

[kiyomizu]

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[Smitridel]

Creepter wrote...

Smitridel wrote...
Yes, I do understand that.
Although I refuse to accept that there is only a minimum number of people that liked the ending.

Just thought I'd give a possitive view of the ending, contrary to popular belief that the ending sucked

What, you believe that there's a silent majority that likes the ending or that the two "forces" are equals?

And is it okay to completely fail at writing a narratively coherent story as long as the end result is 'meta gaming'?

Well, I believe that while there will be more "haters" , forum peer pressure and lots of bumps in Hate Posts diminish the number of "Likers" and/or hide the liking posts.

Even if that's not the case, judging from real life, popular belief, is certainly not always the right one or the wrong one.
It's just how masses of people interact with each other and create trends.

Concerning the fail at writing, I'd say it's more the other way around.
Meta-gaming is not the result rather than the purpose, as one would use an seemingly incoherent narrative technique to create the "meta"experience.

Modifié par Smitridel, 29 avril 2012 - 02:01 .

[GLR-0053]

Smitridel wrote...

GLR-0053 wrote...

I hope that you understand that topics like these along with everything else has been discussed to death. So if you're are looking for constructive feed back you won't get a lot, because it ultimately results in either flame wars or people have become bored with the subject that a constructive response isn't likely to happen...

I don't like the ending, but I'm glad that you do. I'm pretty sure most of us did not and did ask for or enjoyed the "meta gaming experience."  I know I don't.

Yes, I do understand that.
Although I refuse to accept that there is only a minimum number of people that liked the ending.

Just thought I'd give a possitive view of the ending, contrary to popular belief that the ending sucked

That is understandable, a lot of people have tried to put a positive spin. Ultimately it did not work out, but surprisingly  people have found ways to be positive through humor thats good sign, although at the expense of others... but I guess its just what keeps some people going.

Thanks for the reply.

Modifié par GLR-0053, 29 avril 2012 - 02:06 .

[GLR-0053]

GLR-0053 wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

GLR-0053 wrote...

I hope that you understand that topics like these along with everything else has been discussed to death. So if you're are looking for constructive feed back you won't get a lot, because it ultimately results in either flame wars or people have become bored with the subject that a constructive response isn't likely to happen...

I don't like the ending, but I'm glad that you do. I'm pretty sure most of us did not and did ask for or enjoyed the "meta gaming experience."  I know I don't.

Yes, I do understand that.
Although I refuse to accept that there is only a minimum number of people that liked the ending.

Just thought I'd give a possitive view of the ending, contrary to popular belief that the ending sucked

That is understandable, a lot of people have tried to put a positive spin. Ultimately it did not work out, but surprisingly  people have found ways to be positive through humor thats good sign, although at the expense of others... but I guess its just what keeps some people going.

Double post NVM.

Modifié par GLR-0053, 29 avril 2012 - 02:05 .

[Drenick18]

"Masterpiece" is kind of pushing it though.

[Smitridel]

Drenick18 wrote...

"Masterpiece" is kind of pushing it though.

Well, it depends.

I did found it a masterpiece, because although my very first reaction was dissapointment on the incoherent narrative,  I gradually started realising the aspect of the game's very ending, while scenes, concepts and elements from the previous games were rushing into my head without the "forced narrative guidance" (which unfortunately exists in so many games).

The fact that the game itself, put me through the forementioned procedure without forcing me into it, makes me think that it was a masterpiece - as a whole series linked through the series ending.

[MakeMineMako]

Smitridel wrote...

Drenick18 wrote...

"Masterpiece" is kind of pushing it though.

Well, it depends.

I did found it a masterpiece, because although my very first reaction was dissapointment on the incoherent narrative,  I gradually started realising the aspect of the game's very ending, while scenes, concepts and elements from the previous games were rushing into my head without the "forced narrative guidance" (which unfortunately exists in so many games).

The fact that the game itself, put me through the forementioned procedure without forcing me into it, makes me think that it was a masterpiece - as a whole series linked through the series ending.

Glad you liked it.

But, in my opinion, calling it a "masterpiece" is a bit over the top. It was a decent game with a few flaws. Until the ending (last ten minutes, give or take) screwed it up. That's my take on it, in any case.

[iSpider-Man]

Good for you for liking it but choosing multiplayer over campaign shows how invested you were in the story and dont start with multiplayer is faster. Yes you can pass Bronze in 10 min, Silver in 30min, & Gold between 45min to 95min. But you can easily pass portions of the game in that amount of time (45-85Min). A Masterpiece?! ...No Comment. Lastly, Mass Effect 3 isnt even in the same league as Fallout Fallout 2 & Baulders Gate so dont even try and put it in the same league..

[DJBare]

The Angry One wrote...

I'm sorry, but if the Extended Cut turns out to be IT (I'm sure it won't) then all it will show is that BioWare copied a fan theory and made it canon.

The window where BioWare could have proved that IT was their plan all along has come and gone. It's too late.

Bioware have no need to copy fanfic since they already had the idea,

[MakeMineMako]

DJBare wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I'm sorry, but if the Extended Cut turns out to be IT (I'm sure it won't) then all it will show is that BioWare copied a fan theory and made it canon.

The window where BioWare could have proved that IT was their plan all along has come and gone. It's too late.

Bioware have no need to copy fanfic since they already had the idea,

Hmm. Very interesting.

[Codeka]

Smitridel wrote...

Codeka wrote...

See, the ending is so bad I don't even believe people when they say they liked it. Like I don't get the urge to argue or anything, I just don't even believe it's true no matter how hard I try,

How absurd/plothole ridden must something be for you to dislike it? What if godchild had been let's say a Polar Bear or if Joker was seen crashing the normandy into a Borg Cube - would you then think it was bad or would it still be a masterpiece?

You know, I can accept liking the concept of the ending. I dislike it strongly but I would respect an opinion or personal preference that was for the concept. The issue doesn't stopped there - The Ending was rushed and poorly implemented by the developers - throwing all artistic integrity arguments out the window.

It's a testimony to game dev failure, nothing else and so no smart/perceptive gamer can honestly like the ending. The can like the concept of the ending, the literary(lol) aspect of it but they can never honestly say it was well programmed/designed/thoughtout

Sorry for not quoting before. There are a lot of posts, you know, that I have not  had the time to answer.
Although I really dont get on what you want me to answer.

I respect your opinion, I dont agree, I find it a little too focused on the details not getting the whole picture, but still it's okay with me.

Although would you kindly elaborate on the programming or development failure? 
How was it rushed and poorly implemented/designed/ thoughtout? 

The way I see it, they wanted to give that vague or maybe incoherent feeling throughout the last moments, to get you right to the point of doubting if thats all there is, or maybe you (the player) can read more into it.

EDIT: Its all down to personal belief.
I choose to believe that it was all intentional, while you choose to believe that it was rushed, possibly taking into account the leaked interview about the Bioware writer and the cutting the ending story, while I havent read all that untill I had finished the game.

Some opinion's have more merit than others. My opinion is supported by evidence you actually point out in your edit there. All that considered you choose to ignore the evidence and still believe

Again, had they kept the ending as is but not rushed it - kept the space magic but with higher production values and no plot holes - I would not argue against you. It's not the case though, the ending is crap and I can't respect the opinion that it's good anymore than I could respect the opinion that actual crap (feces) is good.

[Hussain747715]

GLR-0053 wrote...