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Ingenious Ending! Congratulations for this masterpiece.


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iSpider-Man wrote...

Good for you for liking it but choosing multiplayer over campaign shows how invested you were in the story and dont start with multiplayer is faster. Yes you can pass Bronze in 10 min, Silver in 30min, & Gold between 45min to 95min. But you can easily pass portions of the game in that amount of time (45-85Min). A Masterpiece?! ...No Comment. Lastly, Mass Effect 3 isnt even in the same league as Fallout Fallout 2 & Baulders Gate so dont even try and put it in the same league..


I thought I explained that I enjoy an RPG if I spend a continuous amount of time in the story and that multiplayer was  convenient in terms of free-time.  I do not like cutting portions and advancing in the storyline.
That pretty much says it all.

Lastly, I was referring to the Mass Effect Series as a whole in comparison to  Fallout 1,2 and etc - sorry if that wasnt clear.

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Smitridel wrote...

And that meme is supposed to mean...?

>meme

Got to bed.

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Smitridel wrote...
I thought I explained that I enjoy an RPG if I spend a continuous amount of time in the story and that multiplayer was  convenient in terms of free-time.  I do not like cutting portions and advancing in the storyline.
That pretty much says it all. Lastly, I was referring to the Mass Effect Series as a whole in comparison to  Fallout 1,2 and etc - sorry if that wasnt clear.

Fair enough to your points but ME3 an Rpg!? social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8816612/1

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Codeka wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

Codeka wrote...

See, the ending is so bad I don't even believe people when they say they liked it. Like I don't get the urge to argue or anything, I just don't even believe it's true no matter how hard I try,

How absurd/plothole ridden must something be for you to dislike it? What if godchild had been let's say a Polar Bear or if Joker was seen crashing the normandy into a Borg Cube - would you then think it was bad or would it still be a masterpiece?

You know, I can accept liking the concept of the ending. I dislike it strongly but I would respect an opinion or personal preference that was for the concept. The issue doesn't stopped there - The Ending was rushed and poorly implemented by the developers - throwing all artistic integrity arguments out the window.

It's a testimony to game dev failure, nothing else and so no smart/perceptive gamer can honestly like the ending. The can like the concept of the ending, the literary(lol) aspect of it but they can never honestly say it was well programmed/designed/thoughtout


Sorry for not quoting before. There are a lot of posts, you know, that I have not  had the time to answer.
Although I really dont get on what you want me to answer.

I respect your opinion, I dont agree, I find it a little too focused on the details not getting the whole picture, but still it's okay with me.

Although would you kindly elaborate on the programming or development failure? 
How was it rushed and poorly implemented/designed/ thoughtout? 

The way I see it, they wanted to give that vague or maybe incoherent feeling throughout the last moments, to get you right to the point of doubting if thats all there is, or maybe you (the player) can read more into it.

EDIT: Its all down to personal belief.
I choose to believe that it was all intentional, while you choose to believe that it was rushed, possibly taking into account the leaked interview about the Bioware writer and the cutting the ending story, while I havent read all that untill I had finished the game.


Some opinion's have more merit than others. My opinion is supported by evidence you actually point out in your edit there. All that considered you choose to ignore the evidence and still believe :)

Again, had they kept the ending as is but not rushed it - kept the space magic but with higher production values and no plot holes - I would not argue against you. It's not the case though, the ending is crap and I can't respect the opinion that it's good anymore than I could respect the opinion that actual crap (feces) is good.





All opinions on a game being pleasurable or not, have merit.
It's not a matter of evidence.
It's not a matter of popular belief.
It's a matter of personal preference while backed up by arguments.

I detect a kind of elitism here, no?

If you didnt read the "evidence" would you still think of it as crap? Or maybe the "evidence" made it a bit crappier?
Again, I dont choose to ignore the...evidence.
I liked the ending for the reasons explained above.
Now that I know the evidence, it doesnt make a difference to me, because I got what they wanted to give to the player even while not knowing why they cut some elements of the ending.

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I don't want to pay for metagaming in a Mass Effect game (super duper cliché final moments of 1 and 2 say hi). If I want metagaming above all else I buy either indie games or actual art games.

Bioware made a massive miscalculation on what a significant part of their fanbase wanted, abandoned key virtues of their franchise (introduction of more auto-dialogue and cinematic-like scenes instead of static, but expanded dialogue like in ME 1, high emphasis on combat, removal of large parts of actual side missions etc) and then is insolent enough to insult them for their perceived stupidity.

Modifié par Flextt, 29 avril 2012 - 02:55 .


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Flextt wrote...

I don't want to pay for metagaming in a Mass Effect game (super duper cliché final moments of 1 and 2 say hi). If I want metagaming above all else I buy either indie games or actual art games.

Bioware made a massive miscalculation on what a significant part of their fanbase wanted, abandoned key virtues of their franchise (introduction of more auto-dialogue and cinematic-like scenes instead of static, but expanded dialogue like in ME 1, high emphasis on combat, removal of large parts of actual side missions etc) and then is insolent enough to insult them for their perceived stupidity.


Now that is my only real problem and complain, about the game.
Although I dont have any kind of problem with hybrid rpg elements such as emphasising in combat and etc, auto-dialogue really ruined the feeling on that part in comparison with the other two games.

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GLR-0053 wrote...

I hope that you understand that topics like these along with everything else has been discussed to death. So if you're  looking for constructive feed back you won't get a lot, because it ultimately results in either flame wars or people have become bored with the subject that a constructive response isn't likely to happen... :mellow:

I don't like the ending, but I'm glad that you do. I'm pretty sure most of us did not and did ask for or enjoyed the "meta gaming experience."  I know I don't. :(


Well, and here I was thinking reason was no longer in existance in these forums :o !

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Flextt wrote...

I don't want to pay for metagaming in a Mass Effect game (super duper cliché final moments of 1 and 2 say hi). If I want metagaming above all else I buy either indie games or actual art games.

Bioware made a massive miscalculation on what a significant part of their fanbase wanted, abandoned key virtues of their franchise (introduction of more auto-dialogue and cinematic-like scenes instead of static, but expanded dialogue like in ME 1, high emphasis on combat, removal of large parts of actual side missions etc) and then is insolent enough to insult them for their perceived stupidity.


Yeap

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Don't know if OP is Trolling me or no.

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The Angry One wrote...
Clearly, any ending that motivates the fanbase to construct entire theories based on the premise that it never happened is good, right?

Double-facepalming right now.

Just so.
:lol: *gallows humor*

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If you chose multiplayer over single-player when you bought the game i think youre exactly the type of person this game is being marketed to. Congratulations

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Hyperion II wrote...

Don't know if OP is Trolling me or no.


Not trolling.
Genuinely expressing my appreciation of the ending and the completed game series.

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ed87 wrote...

If you chose multiplayer over single-player when you bought the game i think youre exactly the type of person this game is being marketed to. Congratulations


People really need to start reading carefully.
Thank you for trolling.
Now move along..

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Catroi wrote...

http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing


Epic troll is epic

Modifié par Sesshaku, 29 avril 2012 - 03:16 .


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Hmmmmmmm I mean yeah you can like the ending but masterpiece? Did you even play mass effect 1? If you did you would know that ME3 makes everything in ME1 irrelevant, so are you new to the series or did you just forget that ME1 existed?

Or maybe your a Bioware plant

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Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

Hmmmmmmm I mean yeah you can like the ending but masterpiece? Did you even play mass effect 1? If you did you would know that ME3 makes everything in ME1 irrelevant, so are you new to the series or did you just forget that ME1 existed?

Or maybe your a Bioware plant


Did you even read my first post or posting after reading this page and I should quote myself?
If not, please do so.
Actually, from that perspective, ME 3 makes all choises done both in ME 1 and ME2 irrelevant.

For all the reasons explained above I do not/cannot see the last game from that perspective. .


A Bioware plant? Ha, I wish. At least I'd be given a fair amount of money for writing down and quoting :P
But no, Im just a dedicated fan of the series (not Bioware in general - well except SW: KOTOR).

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The people that don't understand Mass Effect lore, or were even considered fans- do not comprehend the ending.

Only the true believers, and smart people can understand the conclusion, and feel satisfied. It's what Bioware originally wanted. To please the people with knowledge with a teaser-ending, and have a conclussion for the non-commited fans of the series.

They seperate the sheep from the herd. It's quite lovely to be a part of, and knowing that you are blissed.

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Fingertrip wrote...

The people that don't understand Mass Effect lore, or were even considered fans- do not comprehend the ending.

Only the true believers, and smart people can understand the conclusion, and feel satisfied. It's what Bioware originally wanted. To please the people with knowledge with a teaser-ending, and have a conclussion for the non-commited fans of the series.

They seperate the sheep from the herd. It's quite lovely to be a part of, and knowing that you are blissed.


Not sure if trolling.

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Smitridel wrote...

Hyperion II wrote...

Don't know if OP is Trolling me or no.


Not trolling.
Genuinely expressing my appreciation of the ending and the completed game series.


It's your opinion, and I won't try to change it, but I disagree with you in epic proportions.
Unless they prove themselves with EC DLC, I'll NEVER buy another Bioware game ever again.
It's sad, really. Loved their work so much just to get kicked in the teeth by the only developer I've pre-ordered from. Posted Image

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Smitridel wrote...

Drenick18 wrote...

"Masterpiece" is kind of pushing it though.


Well, it depends.

I did found it a masterpiece, because although my very first reaction was dissapointment on the incoherent narrative,  I gradually started realising the aspect of the game's very ending, while scenes, concepts and elements from the previous games were rushing into my head without the "forced narrative guidance" (which unfortunately exists in so many games).

The fact that the game itself, put me through the forementioned procedure without forcing me into it, makes me think that it was a masterpiece - as a whole series linked through the series ending.


uh huh

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I'm glad you are good with an ending that lacks narrative coherence, satisfying closure, or something that is complete crap in a writing sense (i.e. introducing a new, superseding CONFLICT at the games RESOLUTION).

As for me, I'll continue to be one of the majority of fans who know for a fact that Bioware can do better (to say the least).

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Smitridel wrote...

Drenick18 wrote...

"Masterpiece" is kind of pushing it though.


Well, it depends.

I did found it a masterpiece, because although my very first reaction was dissapointment on the incoherent narrative,  I gradually started realising the aspect of the game's very ending, while scenes, concepts and elements from the previous games were rushing into my head without the "forced narrative guidance" (which unfortunately exists in so many games).

The fact that the game itself, put me through the forementioned procedure without forcing me into it, makes me think that it was a masterpiece - as a whole series linked through the series ending.


Or grasping at straws. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

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