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[Psychlonus]

Navasha wrote...

Good for you OP.... Don't mind the haters.

I have certain issues with the ending, but loved the game. However, by expressly telling your opinion on these forums you will draw the ire of the haters, who can't abide anyone having an opinion that is different than their own.

Don't let their belittling attacks change your view of the game.

A restaurant critic who recommends Burger King is entiltled to his opinion and other critics will disagree with him civily. But a restaurant critic that recommends mud and fried worms on pumpernickel is also entiltled to his opinion. Just don't expect other critics not to attack him.

[Zix13]

Smitridel wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Clearly, any ending that motivates the fanbase to construct entire theories based on the premise that it never happened is good, right?

Double-facepalming right now.

Any ending that motivates an entire customer database to construct entire theories about what happened, if that actually happened, what was the meaning of that and so on, is the metagaming element, which in terms of gaming experience, I find it very rare.

People still try to prove what the ending was about even after they've finished it right?

If they were speculating about the content, that would be great, like, the end of inception or the 3rd X-men. That is speculations. Speculation on the ME3 ending is more centered on how could the writing have fallen apart so fast. Indoc theory was created because the ending was so terrible people couldn't believe any sentient being could have written it without realizing it was a ****ing terrible idea and changing their minds. Most other discussion is simply trying to resolve the incoherence of the ending and its inconsistancy with the rest of the story. 

Short version: The speculation is there because the ending is so unbelievably bad and inconsistant with the rest of the saga, not because there was anything  intriguing about it. 

[Drogonion]

The Angry One wrote...

Clearly, any ending that motivates the fanbase to construct entire theories based on the premise that it never happened is good, right?

Double-facepalming right now.

^
LOL so funny.  Seriously almost fell out of my chair.  Where do you people come up with this stuff?  LOL

[Smitridel]

Flextt wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

Drenick18 wrote...

"Masterpiece" is kind of pushing it though.

Well, it depends.

I did found it a masterpiece, because although my very first reaction was dissapointment on the incoherent narrative,  I gradually started realising the aspect of the game's very ending, while scenes, concepts and elements from the previous games were rushing into my head without the "forced narrative guidance" (which unfortunately exists in so many games).

The fact that the game itself, put me through the forementioned procedure without forcing me into it, makes me think that it was a masterpiece - as a whole series linked through the series ending.

Or grasping at straws. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Not really. Though I loved the series, it's just a game - there's no need for me to create an illusion of entertainment or satisfaction, while it just occured to me.

Can't say the same for all those people out there who give their best to repudiate the endings.

[Smitridel]

Hyperion II wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

Hyperion II wrote...

Don't know if OP is Trolling me or no.

Not trolling.
Genuinely expressing my appreciation of the ending and the completed game series.

It's your opinion, and I won't try to change it, but I disagree with you in epic proportions.
Unless they prove themselves with EC DLC, I'll NEVER buy another Bioware game ever again.
It's sad, really. Loved their work so much just to get kicked in the teeth by the only developer I've pre-ordered from.

Thats a pity.
You cant judge a company only by a portion of a product that you think it's faulty or bad.
Just as I dont judge the quality of all it's products from the fine quality that the ME Series has offered me.

[leapingmonkeys]

I'm happy for you that you enjoyed the one ending provided in ME3.

It's just a shame that Bioware neglected to provide multiple endings so that they could make good on their claims regarding ME3. Perhaps if they had actually tried to follow through on the diversity of game play and themes that they had intentionally created with ME1/ME2 there would be a larger portion of their customer base who was paying them complements instead of complaining that Bioware left them out in the cold.

[bluewolv1970]

I particularly liked the part where the squadmates abandoned Shepard on the field of battle and somehow ended up on the Normandy (brilliantlyWITHOUT explanation) - I LOVED how, then, Joker committed treason and fled the field of battle (so much for the "I never mutinied" speech) - leaving Shepard in pile of rubble on Earth (thanks on repaying the favor buddy) - but the BEST part was Joker and my squadmates (who not moments earlier where rushing the beam with me) walking out of the Normandy SMILING like they just walked on to South Beach...yes Masterpiece

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 29 avril 2012 - 03:54 .

[Smitridel]

Zix13 wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Clearly, any ending that motivates the fanbase to construct entire theories based on the premise that it never happened is good, right?

Double-facepalming right now.

Any ending that motivates an entire customer database to construct entire theories about what happened, if that actually happened, what was the meaning of that and so on, is the metagaming element, which in terms of gaming experience, I find it very rare.

People still try to prove what the ending was about even after they've finished it right?

If they were speculating about the content, that would be great, like, the end of inception or the 3rd X-men. That is speculations. Speculation on the ME3 ending is more centered on how could the writing have fallen apart so fast. Indoc theory was created because the ending was so terrible people couldn't believe any sentient being could have written it without realizing it was a ****ing terrible idea and changing their minds. Most other discussion is simply trying to resolve the incoherence of the ending and its inconsistancy with the rest of the story. 

Short version: The speculation is there because the ending is so unbelievably bad and inconsistant with the rest of the saga, not because there was anything  intriguing about it. 

I though that we have already accepted the fact that the alleged leaked writer story, confirms these speculations were based on an already scripted event by the Bioware writers (pre-release) that got taken out the last moment.
In that case, its not about speculations.

Indoctrination theory  just occurs to most, naturally, because it may be the only reasoning behind the seemingly incoherent writing and taking into account the previous games.
Plus there is a portion of the alleged leaked story on the above posts.

[Zix13]

Smitridel wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Clearly, any ending that motivates the fanbase to construct entire theories based on the premise that it never happened is good, right?

Double-facepalming right now.

Any ending that motivates an entire customer database to construct entire theories about what happened, if that actually happened, what was the meaning of that and so on, is the metagaming element, which in terms of gaming experience, I find it very rare.

People still try to prove what the ending was about even after they've finished it right?

If they were speculating about the content, that would be great, like, the end of inception or the 3rd X-men. That is speculations. Speculation on the ME3 ending is more centered on how could the writing have fallen apart so fast. Indoc theory was created because the ending was so terrible people couldn't believe any sentient being could have written it without realizing it was a ****ing terrible idea and changing their minds. Most other discussion is simply trying to resolve the incoherence of the ending and its inconsistancy with the rest of the story. 

Short version: The speculation is there because the ending is so unbelievably bad and inconsistant with the rest of the saga, not because there was anything  intriguing about it. 

I though that we have already accepted the fact that the alleged leaked writer story, confirms these speculations were based on an already scripted event by the Bioware writers (pre-release) that got taken out the last moment.
In that case, its not about speculations.

Indoctrination theory  just occurs to most, naturally, because it may be the only reasoning behind the seemingly incoherent writing and taking into account the previous games.
Plus there is a portion of the alleged leaked story on the above posts.

So... you're saying its great because you assume IT is in fact correct, and the EC will add the real ending. You're praising the end of a game that doesn't actually have the ending in it yet.... unless I'm missing something. 

Modifié par Zix13, 29 avril 2012 - 04:02 .

[ChickenMan77]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

I particularly liked the part where the squadmates abandoned Shepard on the field of battle and somehow ended up on the Normandy (brilliantlyWITHOUT explanation) - I LOVED how, then, Joker committed treason and fled the field of battle (so much for the "I never mutinied" speech) - leaving Shepard in pile of rubble on Earth (thanks on repaying the favor buddy) - but the BEST part was Joker and my squadmates (who not moments earlier where rushing the beam with me) walking out of the Normandy SMILING like they just walked on to South Beach...yes Masterpiece

Yeah this scene more than any makes you realize they just threw some cutscenes together and got the game 'out the door"  get that pre-order cash...

[Baa Baa]

**** meta

[ed87]

Smitridel wrote...

ed87 wrote...

If you chose multiplayer over single-player when you bought the game i think youre exactly the type of person this game is being marketed to. Congratulations

People really need to start reading carefully.
Thank you for trolling.
Now move along..

I picked up my pre-order and finished the game in its first week of release.

You took your time while playing multiplayer.


If im going to listen to anyone about a book, it will be from the person that couldnt put it down and read it constantly even to the point of losing sleep. Not the person who took a more casual approach. ME3 is great for casual gamers.

Modifié par ed87, 29 avril 2012 - 04:01 .

[Smitridel]

Psychlonus wrote...

Navasha wrote...

Good for you OP.... Don't mind the haters.

I have certain issues with the ending, but loved the game. However, by expressly telling your opinion on these forums you will draw the ire of the haters, who can't abide anyone having an opinion that is different than their own.

Don't let their belittling attacks change your view of the game.

A restaurant critic who recommends Burger King is entiltled to his opinion and other critics will disagree with him civily. But a restaurant critic that recommends mud and fried worms on pumpernickel is also entiltled to his opinion. Just don't expect other critics not to attack him.

I didnt recommend anything.
Just my 5 (or more ) cents on the game's (and series) ending.

Attacking different than our own opinions, is a way of life for most humans.
While it may be happening a lot and for a lot of centuries, it still doesnt make it civil or right.

[Smitridel]

ed87 wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

ed87 wrote...

If you chose multiplayer over single-player when you bought the game i think youre exactly the type of person this game is being marketed to. Congratulations

People really need to start reading carefully.
Thank you for trolling.
Now move along..

I picked up my pre-order and finished the game in its first week of release.

You took your time while playing multiplayer.


If im going to listen to anyone about a book, it will be from the person that couldnt put it down and read it constantly even to the point of losing sleep. Not the person who took a more casual approach. ME3 is great for casual gamers.

I'm happy for you, since you seem to be able to finish it in one week while I on the other hand having real life commitments took my time.
I almost envy you. Almost.

Then I guess you only take opinions from people that are absorbed with anything else (from games to books), than real life.
Good for you.

[AlexXIV]

Smitridel wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

ed87 wrote...

If you chose multiplayer over single-player when you bought the game i think youre exactly the type of person this game is being marketed to. Congratulations

People really need to start reading carefully.
Thank you for trolling.
Now move along..

I picked up my pre-order and finished the game in its first week of release.

You took your time while playing multiplayer.


If im going to listen to anyone about a book, it will be from the person that couldnt put it down and read it constantly even to the point of losing sleep. Not the person who took a more casual approach. ME3 is great for casual gamers.

I'm happy for you, since you seem to be able to finish it in one week while I on the other hand having real life commitments took my time.
I almost envy you. Almost.

Then I guess you only take opinions from people that are absorbed with anything else (from games to books), than real life.
Good for you.

Well since it is in our civilisation not only permitted but also encouraged to dispute other people's opinions it is both, civil and right. By law and society. You're incredibly naive if you really believe what you just wrote.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 29 avril 2012 - 04:11 .

[Sohlito]

Can I reiterate a very simple point many seem to have forgotten? It's HIS opinion. It's HIS perspective. For the most part, he's remained relatively civil about sharing it. It's one thing to nurture rational discussion/debate on those differing views, entirely another to try and assert yours over someone elses or outright disregard them because they don't match.

OP, while I disagree with your opinions overall, I commend you for maintaining your civility while defending them.

Modifié par Sohlito, 29 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[Smitridel]

Zix13 wrote...


So... you're saying its great because you assume IT is in fact correct, and the EC will add the real ending. You're praising the end of a game that doesn't actually have the ending in it yet.... unless I'm missing something. 

I assume that the IT is correct, because it's the only plausible theory looking back the previous games. You even have connecting images in the final moments of ME 3 with the ME 1, plagiarisms and elements that most people choose to ignore.

Who said anything about me waiting for the EC ending or clarifications about it? 
The EC is for those that are dissapointed with the ending in the final product. May they be satisfied - although I dont think there will be much to say now, to satisfy those that belong in the above "faction".

I for once, dont belong to that group.

Although, I'd very much like to know why Joker was leaving the system in the first place.
But that's just it.

[Mcfly616]

The Angry One wrote...

Clearly, any ending that motivates the fanbase to construct entire theories based on the premise that it never happened is good, right?

Double-facepalming right now.

This....


And how can you say its ingenious when they stole it straight from those awful writers the Wachowski brothers?! They copied the worst trilogy ending ever.....lol

[ed87]

Smitridel wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

ed87 wrote...

If you chose multiplayer over single-player when you bought the game i think youre exactly the type of person this game is being marketed to. Congratulations

People really need to start reading carefully.
Thank you for trolling.
Now move along..

I picked up my pre-order and finished the game in its first week of release.

You took your time while playing multiplayer.


If im going to listen to anyone about a book, it will be from the person that couldnt put it down and read it constantly even to the point of losing sleep. Not the person who took a more casual approach. ME3 is great for casual gamers.

I'm happy for you, since you seem to be able to finish it in one week while I on the other hand having real life commitments took my time.
I almost envy you. Almost.

Then I guess you only take opinions from people that are absorbed with anything else (from games to books), than real life.
Good for you.

My words must have affected you if youre getting personal now. If you must go there, its called using annual leave.

I simply find the statement 'Ingenious Ending!' coming from more a casual gamer to be almost trolling. But i wont challenge your opinion itself, i will only state that youre the type of gamer EA wants.

Go about with your thread, i wont bother you anymore.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

So let me get this straight even though you know ME3 makes ME1 and 2 irrelevant you still like the ending to ME3?

[Zix13]

Smitridel wrote...

Zix13 wrote...


So... you're saying its great because you assume IT is in fact correct, and the EC will add the real ending. You're praising the end of a game that doesn't actually have the ending in it yet.... unless I'm missing something. 

I assume that the IT is correct, because it's the only plausible theory looking back the previous games. You even have connecting images in the final moments of ME 3 with the ME 1, plagiarisms and elements that most people choose to ignore.

Who said anything about me waiting for the EC ending or clarifications about it? 
The EC is for those that are dissapointed with the ending in the final product. May they be satisfied - although I dont think there will be much to say now, to satisfy those that belong in the above "faction".

I for once, dont belong to that group.

Although, I'd very much like to know why Joker was leaving the system in the first place.
But that's just it.

Only plausible theory other than bad writing. And whether IT is correct or not(And Bioware has pretty much outright said that it is not) the writing is bad. And if indoc theory is correct, then the "real" ending is missing.

[Psychlonus]

meta world peace

[Smitridel]

Sohlito wrote...

Can I reiterate a very simple point many seem to have forgotten? It's HIS opinion. It's HIS perspective. For the most part, he's remained relatively civil about sharing it. It's one thing to nurture rational discussion/debate on those differing views, entirely another to try and assert yours over someone elses or outright disregard them because they don't match.

OP, while I disagree with your opinions overall, I commend you for maintaining your civility while defending them.

Thank you kind sir.
A view some people seem to forget while posting on these fora.

And posts like these is the very reason that I keep posting in here.

[AlexXIV]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Why do people hate it when someone likes the ending? Can't we just have people who like the ending and people who don't like the ending?

No?