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[Smitridel]

Growing tired of quotes..

Really is that what has this community gone down to?
I've been a member since '09, an active reader of these fora communities (not much of an active poster to be honest) and I remember things being a bit more civil.

Cant a man, express his views on the game being great without people attacking him for it or being accused for trolling?

What the heck? Are you guys getting shares on a rival company or something trying to dispute everyone with a different opinion?

Cant you just disagree in a polite or at least neutral manner?

Modifié par Smitridel, 29 avril 2012 - 05:50 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Smitridel wrote...

Flextt wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

Drenick18 wrote...

"Masterpiece" is kind of pushing it though.

Well, it depends.

I did found it a masterpiece, because although my very first reaction was dissapointment on the incoherent narrative,  I gradually started realising the aspect of the game's very ending, while scenes, concepts and elements from the previous games were rushing into my head without the "forced narrative guidance" (which unfortunately exists in so many games).

The fact that the game itself, put me through the forementioned procedure without forcing me into it, makes me think that it was a masterpiece - as a whole series linked through the series ending.

Or grasping at straws. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Not really. Though I loved the series, it's just a game - there's no need for me to create an illusion of entertainment or satisfaction, while it just occured to me.

Can't say the same for all those people out there who give their best to repudiate the endings.

AHHA!!! you just revealed your motives for this debacle, thank you.

You don't play ME for the story, you just like shooting things, woohoo!!

Now that this has been established, go away already K?

[I am Sovereign]

Successful Troll is successful.

[babachewie]

I was fully satisfied as well.

[Superstarsage]

I disagree with you. Here is all my evidence why. Admittedly it will be worded harshly and somewhat derogatory towards you, the op, however it was your choice to take it for what it was. It was your choice to perhaps look UNDERNEATH the post to see the true masterpiece of it.

You chose not to. Just as we chose ... well technically we (the fans) totally looked underneath and headcannond the ending to pieces. But that was less a choice, and more a coping mechanism.

So yeah.


P.S: I'm chill with you liking the ending. Really.

[Commander Shepard the Grey Warden]

At least someone agrees with me. I found the ending to be brilliant.

[babachewie]

Commander Shepard the Grey Warden wrote...

At least someone agrees with me. I found the ending to be brilliant.

A lot of people agree with you. They just get drowned out by angry mobs. Most have also probably move on.

[Smitridel]

Superstarsage wrote...

I disagree with you. Here is all my evidence why. Admittedly it will be worded harshly and somewhat derogatory towards you, the op, however it was your choice to take it for what it was. It was your choice to perhaps look UNDERNEATH the post to see the true masterpiece of it.

You chose not to. Just as we chose ... well technically we (the fans) totally looked underneath and headcannond the ending to pieces. But that was less a choice, and more a coping mechanism.

So yeah.


P.S: I'm chill with you liking the ending. Really.

Maybe it's my fault for not being a native English speaker but what do you mean/refer to, in the second "You chose not to"? You already said that I "chose to look underneath the post..."

Yeah, I get that it was more of a coping mechanism, one that fans need to whenever they are not satisfied with the one game of a series (seriously though never in my experience have I seen a fanbase being satisfied with a product that comes after a beloved first product see Matrix Movies, Fallout 2 even ME 2) but where is the fault part of someone having a possitive reaction to something that a (relatively small or big) portion of the  fans didnt like? 

Because let's not fool ourselves, the frequent posters in these fora are maybe 1/100 of the total members and these ones being the 1/1000 or more of the total consumers/buyers.


P.S. Im also chill with all those people not liking the ending - thus the reason I keep on posting in this thread.
Im not chill, with those not being able to accept that there are other views from their own.

[Smitridel]

babachewie wrote...

Commander Shepard the Grey Warden wrote...

At least someone agrees with me. I found the ending to be brilliant.

A lot of people agree with you. They just get drowned out by angry mobs. Most have also probably move on.

This is so true.
Most of my satisfied friends that have played and have been fans (not including newly introduced ones to the series) since the first game, have made their peace with how the lore ends and are either frustrated by the constant whinning or just moved on being satisfied.

Modifié par Smitridel, 29 avril 2012 - 06:10 .

[wright1978]

Happy someone liked it. I thought it was an absolutely appalling railroaded plothole ridden turd of an ending that did a huge amount of damage to the series.

[Taboo]

I've seen this kind of ending before and it doesn't really work well in this case but I fully support your right to like it.

The endings feel sort of flaccid to me, incomplete. With more information from this Extended Cut I think it will be improved greatly.

Would you agree that the ending could use a bit more information?

[Superstarsage]

Smitridel wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Commander Shepard the Grey Warden wrote...

At least someone agrees with me. I found the ending to be brilliant.

A lot of people agree with you. They just get drowned out by angry mobs. Most have also probably move on.

This is so true.
Most of my satisfied friends that have played and have been fans (not including newly introduced ones to the series) since the first game, have made their peace with how the lore ends and are either frustrated by the constant whinning or just moved on being satisfied.

I've been kinda wanting to discuss the ending with a pro-ender, so help me out and play along please. I was really wondering. What made it enjoyable to you?

[Smitridel]

Superstarsage wrote...

Smitridel wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Commander Shepard the Grey Warden wrote...

At least someone agrees with me. I found the ending to be brilliant.

A lot of people agree with you. They just get drowned out by angry mobs. Most have also probably move on.

This is so true.
Most of my satisfied friends that have played and have been fans (not including newly introduced ones to the series) since the first game, have made their peace with how the lore ends and are either frustrated by the constant whinning or just moved on being satisfied.

I've been kinda wanting to discuss the ending with a pro-ender, so help me out and play along please. I was really wondering. What made it enjoyable to you?

Already posted summarising in a post at page 2: 

" I did found it a masterpiece, because although my very first reaction
was dissapointment on the incoherent narrative,  I gradually started
realising the aspect of the game's very ending, while scenes, concepts
and elements from the previous games were rushing into my head without
the "forced narrative guidance" (which unfortunately exists in so many games).

The fact that the game itself, put me through the forementioned procedure
without forcing me into it, makes me think that it was a masterpiece -
as a whole series linked through the series ending. "

That and the fact that it got me metagame thinking are the two factors that contribute mostly to the fact that I loved it.

Also Im really a fan of the tragic ancient Greek hero stereotype, so what can I say? Im a sucker for ambiguous endings and the whole "hubris-ati-nemesis-tisis"  idea that is an obvious element  throughout the game series.



EDIT: Editing text format.

Modifié par Smitridel, 29 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[Taboo]

Hmmm. The narrative choices made you think it was that way? Fascinating. Would you care to describe in further detail? I'm curious as to what you have to say on the matter.

This type of storytelling isn't new though, the breakdown of narrative into a purely emotional state has been done before.

[Smitridel]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I've seen this kind of ending before and it doesn't really work well in this case but I fully support your right to like it.

The endings feel sort of flaccid to me, incomplete. With more information from this Extended Cut I think it will be improved greatly.

Would you agree that the ending could use a bit more information?

I actually thought that this feeling of incomplete (whether it was narratively intentional or not) was beneficial to my liking the ending. It led me to further thinking and rather than absorbing "given knowledge", I ended up enjoying it more discovering it on my own.

As I said before, the only thing that still remains a complete mystery to me, is what was Joker doing travelling away from the system. That could surely use some clarification.

[Taboo]

Smitridel wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I've seen this kind of ending before and it doesn't really work well in this case but I fully support your right to like it.

The endings feel sort of flaccid to me, incomplete. With more information from this Extended Cut I think it will be improved greatly.

Would you agree that the ending could use a bit more information?

I actually thought that this feeling of incomplete (whether it was narratively intentional or not) was beneficial to my liking the ending. It led me to further thinking and rather than absorbing "given knowledge", I ended up enjoying it more discovering it on my own.

As I said before, the only thing that still remains a complete mystery to me, is what was Joker doing travelling away from the system. That could surely use some clarification.

I felt that too much was left out in my playthrough. I do agree however that sometimes a lack of information can be beneficial to a narrative. I don't think it worked well for me and many others. But I will be able to cope with clarification and coherence.

But I don't think I've ever seen anyone like the scene on the jungle planet, not even the pro-enders. That's the real mystery of the ending for quite a bit of people. I'm partial to cutting it out myself as it feels so innocuous to the plot.

[TheKbob]

My favorite part is that all the Mass Relays are destroyed leaving the entirety of the galaxies fleet stranded in the Sol system with no hope of ever seeing their homes again during their life time (maybe Asari... maybe?). So what, Tali will never see her new home, Wrex's child won't have a father, and everyone else will probably starve to death given that one planet could not support all those warm bodies.

But wait, it's Schroedinger's ending in a quasi state of happening and not happening; you either believe it at face value and it sucks, or you believe it on some random "deep meta value" and realize you didn't actually get any real ending, so it still sucks.

Glad that 2.99 parts of 3 games were awesome. Shame that last 0.01 has a great deal of weight attached to it.

[gavinbrindstaar]

The Angry One wrote...

I'm sorry, but if the Extended Cut turns out to be IT (I'm sure it won't) then all it will show is that BioWare copied a fan theory and made it canon.

The window where BioWare could have proved that IT was their plan all along has come and gone. It's too late.

I agree with this, but I wouldn't care if they did it. I just want them to make it right.

[Mcfly616]

I find it funny that pro enders still think that the people that think the ending blows are in the minority.....just by simply seeing that "Vote for a Better Ending" Facebook page has literally double the amount of "Likes" as the official ME3 Facebook page....64,000 compared to some 32,000.....

A lot of people don't even take the time to.voice their opinions....plain and simply put, the ending sh*ts on the rest of the game and on the rest of the series.....and the majority of people know it.....

Ambiguous and vague endings have no place as the conclusion to any trilogy(The Matrix is the worst ending to a trilogy ever, and ME3 cut and pasted it)...

Not to mention....if your fans have to come up with little theories or have to imagine the outcomes of their decisions, and are left with more questions than answers....then the ending is not good in any way, shape or form....


A masterpiece entails a complete experience with a brilliant beginning, middle and END .....ME3 is clearly lacking in atleast one of these aspects and that is just a Fact.

Modifié par Mcfly616, 29 avril 2012 - 06:53 .

[frostajulie]

DJBare wrote...

I get that people can enjoy the ending, but masterpiece?

Keep in mind these are probably the same kinds of people who think An artist taking a dump in a number 10 can and then sealing it up and making a label that reads Artist **** is a masterpiece as well.

Some people think **** is a work of art.

While people who can logically reason and think still know- not believe- we know thatg **** in a can is still **** no matter who did it and that is NOT art.

[TheKbob]

An ending can have ambiguity and be good, though. See Inception; based on the rules that clearly define that realm, you have a strong contingency fighting for either it was reality or in a fictional world. However, that was based on the entire premise of the 2 hour long event.

To turn my 100+ hrs of time spent into a series into a big (and quite a stretch) "What If" scenario, and to do it cryptically, is not a good ending.

If you like that sort of contrivance, might I recommend Star Ocean 3: Till the End of Time or Super Mario Brothers 2?

[fle6isnow]

Smitridel wrote...


I actually thought that this feeling of incomplete (whether it was narratively intentional or not) was beneficial to my liking the ending. It led me to further thinking and rather than absorbing "given knowledge", I ended up enjoying it more discovering it on my own.

As I said before, the only thing that still remains a complete mystery to me, is what was Joker doing travelling away from the system. That could surely use some clarification.

Same here, although I realize not a lot of people want to do the discovering on their own.

Btw, could you explain more about the about that hubris-ate-nemesis-tisis theme? I think this is the first time I've seen it brought up in relation to the whole game. I can definitely see how it works for the Saren and The Illusive Man/Cerberus story arcs, but I'm trying to see how it fits Shepard and other characters.

Edit: and if you get tired of the ending hate, you can always hang out in my "pro-ending" thread, lol.

Modifié par fle6isnow, 29 avril 2012 - 07:09 .

[Mcfly616]

I wasnt saying.that an.ambiguous end is bad(Inception was brilliant).....I'm saying an ambiguous ending has no place as the conclusion to a "trilogy".....in that situation it is atrocious

[Mcfly616]

fle6isnow wrote...

Smitridel wrote...


I actually thought that this feeling of incomplete (whether it was narratively intentional or not) was beneficial to my liking the ending. It led me to further thinking and rather than absorbing "given knowledge", I ended up enjoying it more discovering it on my own.

As I said before, the only thing that still remains a complete mystery to me, is what was Joker doing travelling away from the system. That could surely use some clarification.

Same here, although I realize not a lot of people want to do the discovering on their own.

Btw, could you explain more about the about that hubris-ate-nemesis-tisis theme? I think this is the first time I've seen it brought up in relation to the whole game. I can definitely see how it works for the Saren and The Illusive Man/Cerberus story arcs, but I'm trying to see how it fits Shepard and other characters.

Edit: and if you get tired of the ending hate, you can always hang out in my "pro-ending" thread, lol.

Please do tell....share your discoveries with us....inform us all of what we do not understand by simply looking at the screen....

[Scam_poo]

I am Sovereign wrote...

Successful Troll is successful.

So why is he trolling? He was stating his opinion. You people should really sit down and get to know how a damn forum works (and you should really try to understand what exactly a "troll" is)