AlexXIV wrote...
Blah I hate if people do this chopping of posts. Now I'd have to chopped your answer as well. Instead I will just number my answers according to yours.
1) Wrong. The races are more powerful than the Reapers, really? You even understand less than I. The solution does not work because the Crucible deemed it impossible that an organic can reach the crucible That it still happened proves the Crucible and the theory wrong. Though it is never explained why someone reaching the Crucible does that. It just could have been adjusted. That's what you usually do if your theory fails. You don't scrap it altogether, because you probably have had good reasoning for it in the first place. So you adapt it to new parameters so it still can work.
2) You're not answering my question at all. You're just evading it and suggesting what Bioware may have had in mind picking the choices. I wanted you to explain why these choice are the only ones, and of cource by explaining the choices in context with the problem at hand. For the reasons why Bioware used them I certainly don't need you to explain me. Of course you can't explain why the solutions are the only ones possible in context of the situation at hand for Shepard because you have no friggen clue.
3) No the Crusible didn't make organics more powerful. Where'd you get that anyway? That's about the biggest asspull I have read on these forums. It doesn't work anymore because the starchild said so without explaining why exactly other than that Shepard reached the Crucible, even though almost dead.
4) You have no idea. Now that's a surprise there.
5) No, disagreeing with the starbrat means that we leave things as they are. We disable the Reapers and rip them apart/scavange/burn them. Then we rebuild our world. Because that's what it means to oppose the starbrat and his solution. We do things on our own terms. Agreeing on any of the starbrat's decisions is giving up on free will. The destroy option is maybe the most free because basically it is just a reset to a point before the Reapers intercepted. Before the Asari discovered the Citadel. And we go from there, just without Reaper intervention. Just that, if the Reaper theory is true that means that people will again build synthetics eventually who will then eventually destroy all organic life unless someone prevents it somehow. Which leads back to my question, why is starbrat not bothered abou that possisibilty anymore?
6) The synthetics cannot compute the possiblity of a galaxy without living beings? What? Why? Huh? We don't even know what exactly stopped the Geth from killing all Quarians. Probably because they were peaceful enough at their stage even though the Reapers claim eventually synthetics will wipe out all organic life. However, you didn't answer my question, you just claimed they can't because they can't. Of course without as much as a reasoning or evidence behind that.
Sorry man, but you are the perfect example why I am so aggressive towards people who like the ending. You fail to grasp simple things and act as if your imagination is better or something. Seriously, you didn't get half of the things that happened. Either you don't care or 'can't compute' it to use your language. But you seriously have no idea about the actual consequences of the ending and what kind of message it delivers. I am not even going into a morale debate with you because you obviously you didn't even get the straight facts about what happened right. It's always the same really, we end up telling pro-enders what they should have noticed themselves if they were for once paying attention, and also make a half way educated guess of the consequences.
Sigh, I said I wasn't gonna type more, but here it goes...
And this is why I am disappointed toward "anti-enders." I am seeing the exact same facts you go, and just because my interpretation is different than yours does not make it wrong.
You aren't making much sense with number 1, but I will address what I think your point is--that the solution doesn't work anymore because Shepard reaches the Catalyst. I don't think that is the main reason, honestly. We are told from the very beginning of the game that the Crucible is capable of unquantifiable levels of destruction--powerful enough to destroy the Reapers. We are also told in the game that the solution worked in the past because Reapers were able to divide and conquer the races by taking control of the mass relay system. However, in this cycle, the races were able to keep the relay systems open (thanks to the Prothean sabotage), and were able to unite against the Reapers and finally finish building the Crucible. Those two facts in tandem make it possible for Shepard to reach the Catalyst, and those two facts, more than Shepard actually reaching the Catalyst, is what makes the solution not work anymore. Without the Crucible, none of this would be possible. Without the Crucible (if you take too long to choose), the Reapers eventually overwhelm the combined fleets and you get the
Crucible is destroyed Critical Mission Failure.
So again, I reiterate. The Crucible is what makes the organics more powerful than the Reapers, and not firing it is just letting the Reapers win. You can't "rip the them apart" because without the Crucible, the cycle will merely continue. "Leaving things as they are" will merely result in the Reapers harvesting everyone, the end, go away. Now, I do wish they had an ending cinematic for this instead of the cheesy CMF screen, but hopefully this will be addressed in the Extended Cut. I mean, they did it for the "time's up" ending of Arrival, so they should really have done it for this one.
Starbrat says the Crucible changed it and created new possibilities, but Starbrat cannot make it happen. This is because the new possibilities are coming from the Crucible, not from Starbrat, and Shepard has to choose. Again, this is why those are the only choices--they are what the organics have been working toward the whole game. In terms of the "synthetics vs. organics" problem, yeah, they aren't very good solutions, but Starbrat IS trying to adapt those to its theory anyway. That is why Starbrat pushes Synthesis instead of Control or Destroy--in its mind, Control and Destroy are not solutions, but Synthesis would erase the artificial divide between synthetic and organic life, which would supposedly erase the conflict.
However, Starbrat is not omniscient. I don't think it was ever outright said or even implied that it was. It could be horribly, terribly, utterly WRONG. It is explaining the choices from it's own flawed point of view, but you don't have to agree with Starbrat's assertions about the aftermath of the choices. Yes, the ending choices are "thematically revolting", as one poster put it, but the alternative is that trillions upon trillions of people will die as the cycle continues for what, millions more years? Billions? To me, that is even more revolting than what you have to sacrifice to break the cycle. Even with how distasteful the ending choices are, the cycle must NOT continue, so my Shepards sadly do the ruthless calculus of war and sacrifice 10 billion here (i.e. the geth) to save 20 billion there (i.e. everyone else). Then, once the Reapers are destroyed, you can start rebuilding the world, which can include new synthetics. Yes, the problem of synthetic vs. organic could reappear (and it is implied based on what you learn from Vendetta on Thessia that it will), but you are asserting that Starbrat is wrong about it if you choose Destroy. Other Shepards will choose differently, of course. Some people think that it is not hubris to try to control the Reapers or that it is not morally distasteful to choose synthesis. I will not tell them they are wrong to choose that, because it is THEIR interpretation of the choices, not mine.
And as for why the geth let the quarians go, Legion himself tells you in the geth server mission that they let their creators go precisely because they could not calculate the repercussions of destroying an entire species. Instead they chose isolation, although the heretic geth chose to side with the Reapers, and it is implied that they did this out of their own free will. To me, the Reapers seemed like a horrific and perverted version of this--instead of choosing isolation, they chose to destroy advanced organic life and spare the "lesser" organics over and over again.
Again, you can disagree with my interpretation of the facts--by no means am I saying that THIS is the correct interpretation. Face it, with the few facts that we are given in the ending, my speculation is just as valid as other people's. LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE!
Edit: I left a sentence unfinished, lol. Bah, back to icing my wrist.
Modifié par fle6isnow, 30 avril 2012 - 12:01 .
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But seriously, we don't know, and IMO, for the scope of the story, we don't need to know. Maybe the Reapers are in other galaxies too, who knows.
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