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[metawanderer]

I personally had no problems with the squad mates but I always wondered why Bioware could not do what Dragon Age did with the Tactics and option to control another character in battle.

[Seifer006]

Amioran wrote...

DaJe wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

The game is about Shepard, plus it would be too easy if your squadmates did all or even half the work. They're basically there to be bullet sponges and to give you the ability to use powers you wouldn't normally have.

Seriously, name one game in which the squadmates are actually good without being invincible or making gameplay boring.

Rainbow Six: Vegas

The difference is that RS:V is made appositedly for this (if it didn't work there it would mean that the game would be a failure since that specific gameplay is the most important aspect) , while ME is an rpg (or in theory it is) more than anything else. There's a lot of work on story, character interaction, skills etc. that are more important for the genre.

The two genres and their primary concerns are completely different. While it naturally would be extremely good to have a thing as that also in ME, I think that the work required would mean less time spent on other more important things.

You make a good case. I perfer story and character development. And good Music then Squad AI
thanx for sharing

[the almighty moo]

i found liara's singularity on insanity so useful i took her everywhere.

i think if you turn off squad power usage then never use powers, of course they will suck

[prazision]

If you give Garrus a good sniper rifle and he's dying a lot, you may have a broken copy of the game or something.

I've also found that Liara does make intelligent use of Stasis on her own.

Still, it's a pretty horrible system overall, it's true. Squadmates exist to cast Overload or Warp if your character can't, and that's about it. And even then you generally have to tell them to do it, for some reason they can't figure out "Shields = Overload" on their own...

[Amioran]

metawanderer wrote...

I personally had no problems with the squad mates but I always wondered why Bioware could not do what Dragon Age did with the Tactics and option to control another character in battle.

The gameplay is completely different.

Dragon Age's gameplay is built around the concept of you, as the player, being able to control all the party (as rpgs as BG), while ME is more built around the concept of controlling the main character only (as many other rpgs that focus only on one character).

In turn all the abilities, encounters, layout of the same, balancing etc., either the camera (and the way it is used) from which you see all of this is completely different between the two.

[prazision]

Actually, now that I think on it, Kasumi in ME2 probably killed more guys than any of my Shepards did. She was constantly Shadow Striking and made good use of an SMG.

It's really odd that some characters seem to have much better AI than others. For me, Javik is a murder machine with his Dark Channel spell.

[N7 Spectre525]

I just finished the game again and I must say the AI actually got worse since ME2. Half the time during the priority earth mission I couldnt even find Kaiden or Liara. It felt like I was fighting alone.

[Dormiglione]

ZombieGambit wrote...

The game is about Shepard, plus it would be too easy if your squadmates did all or even half the work. They're basically there to be bullet sponges and to give you the ability to use powers you wouldn't normally have.

Seriously, name one game in which the squadmates are actually good without being invincible or making gameplay boring.

Gears of War 1-3

[Seifer006]

prazision wrote...

Actually, now that I think on it, Kasumi in ME2 probably killed more guys than any of my Shepards did. She was constantly Shadow Striking and made good use of an SMG.

It's really odd that some characters seem to have much better AI than others. For me, Javik is a murder machine with his Dark Channel spell.

forgot about Kasumi. Your right! I did an entire playthrough with her when the DLC came out! I maxed out her Shadow Strike. She was so deadly. Took out entire Enemy-Shields...and more lol

Grunt was a powerhouse. His rage "NOW YOUR DEAD" was great against husks. plus that fortification being maxed out was perfectly for him to stay alive.

[Seifer006]

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

I just finished the game again and I must say the AI actually got worse since ME2. Half the time during the priority earth mission I couldnt even find Kaiden or Liara. It felt like I was fighting alone.

especially against that last part, where you're defending the FOB Missles......yeah fighting all by myself there

[Seifer006]

Amioran wrote...

metawanderer wrote...

I personally had no problems with the squad mates but I always wondered why Bioware could not do what Dragon Age did with the Tactics and option to control another character in battle.

The gameplay is completely different.

Dragon Age's gameplay is built around the concept of you, as the player, being able to control all the party (as rpgs as BG), while ME is more built around the concept of controlling the main character only (as many other rpgs that focus only on one character).

In turn all the abilities, encounters, layout of the same, balancing etc., either the camera (and the way it is used) from which you see all of this is completely different between the two.

I remember playing Final Fantasy XII. The squad did a LOT in helping bringing down enemies...

but Square Enix sacrficed the story......

[Allen Spellwaver]

Why do people always bring those things which existed in the previous two games to blame ME3?

[o Ventus]

Dormiglione wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

The game is about Shepard, plus it would be too easy if your squadmates did all or even half the work. They're basically there to be bullet sponges and to give you the ability to use powers you wouldn't normally have.

Seriously, name one game in which the squadmates are actually good without being invincible or making gameplay boring.

Gears of War 1-3

Gears doesn't feature a squad of character capable of flinging enemies off cliffsides with their minds, or short circuiting electronics by snapping their fingers.

But I agree, Gears' squad AI was actually pretty good, and the games are still fun to play.

[DaJe]

Seifer006 wrote...

Amioran wrote...

DaJe wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

The game is about Shepard, plus it would be too easy if your squadmates did all or even half the work. They're basically there to be bullet sponges and to give you the ability to use powers you wouldn't normally have.

Seriously, name one game in which the squadmates are actually good without being invincible or making gameplay boring.

Rainbow Six: Vegas

The difference is that RS:V is made appositedly for this (if it didn't work there it would mean that the game would be a failure since that specific gameplay is the most important aspect) , while ME is an rpg (or in theory it is) more than anything else. There's a lot of work on story, character interaction, skills etc. that are more important for the genre.

The two genres and their primary concerns are completely different. While it naturally would be extremely good to have a thing as that also in ME, I think that the work required would mean less time spent on other more important things.

You make a good case. I perfer story and character development. And good Music then Squad AI
thanx for sharing

While it might not be the most important aspect, the squad AI and balancing is a feature that could have been improved throughout the 3 games.
The new combat maneuvers are also not essential to the story, but have been implemented after many other games have shown positive examples.

[Allen Spellwaver]

Dormiglione wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

The game is about Shepard, plus it would be too easy if your squadmates did all or even half the work. They're basically there to be bullet sponges and to give you the ability to use powers you wouldn't normally have.

Seriously, name one game in which the squadmates are actually good without being invincible or making gameplay boring.

Gears of War 1-3

I never saw those guys to take down the orc on turrets or do something to make my push easier.I thought what they can do is just provide enough firepower to prevent those stinkies from closing in.

[o Ventus]

Allen Spellwaver wrote...

Dormiglione wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

The game is about Shepard, plus it would be too easy if your squadmates did all or even half the work. They're basically there to be bullet sponges and to give you the ability to use powers you wouldn't normally have.

Seriously, name one game in which the squadmates are actually good without being invincible or making gameplay boring.

Gears of War 1-3

I never saw those guys to take down the orc on turrets or do something to make my push easier.I thought what they can do is just provide enough firepower to prevent those stinkies from closing in.

There are orcs in Gears of War now?

[Seifer006]

Allen Spellwaver wrote...

Why do people always bring those things which existed in the previous two games to blame ME3?

maybe because it's about that the issue be addressed. you not agree otherwise?

[Amioran]

DaJe wrote...
The new combat maneuvers are also not essential to the story, but have been implemented after many other games have shown positive examples.

They are much easier to implement. They didn't need to rebalance gameplay to add them.

Modifié par Amioran, 29 avril 2012 - 05:15 .

[Lhawke]

Some of the squad seem worse than others. Garrus and vega are two of them, they take cover then completely ignore any commands I give them.

Physically pushing them out of cover works for a little while then they're back at it again. I find garrus does this more with a sniper rifle than assault rifle. Vega seems to do it more when he's got his fortitude which I take off him as soon as I can.

Edi however I've never had this problem with. Although I do remove her decoy and defense matrix, I don't know if that has anything to do with it or not.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Really? Because if I equip James with the particle beam rifle and explosive incendiary ammo.... he kills things too fast for me to snipe them, and it's really quite annoying. I had to specifically take away that combo and make him weaker overall in order to actually have fun.

Like, I was doing Menae on my Infiltrator playthrough just yesterday and Garrus and James with those rifles and explosive incendiary ammo.... ugh. SO BORING. I felt like I was just afking to get loot while they did all the work.

[gmboy902]

ZombieGambit wrote...

The game is about Shepard, plus it would be too easy if your squadmates did all or even half the work. They're basically there to be bullet sponges and to give you the ability to use powers you wouldn't normally have.

Seriously, name one game in which the squadmates are actually good without being invincible or making gameplay boring.

Dragon Age: Origins
Dragon Age 2
Fallout 3
Fallout: New Vegas
Knights of the Old Republic
Knights of the Old Republic II
Skyrim

[Amaterasuomikami]

I don't agree with this in the slightest. I've found squadmates very useful in ME3. My soldier Femshep found Liara's singularity invaluable, for example.

[XTR3M3]

yep, I had no problems with the squadmate's AI. I wouldn't want them to do more. Insanity was easy enough in ME3. Making them do more would have made insanity a joke.

[Seifer006]

Amaterasuomikami wrote...

I don't agree with this in the slightest. I've found squadmates very useful in ME3. My soldier Femshep found Liara's singularity invaluable, for example.

yeah......if you're playing on the STORY mode...

[Seifer006]

XTR3M3 wrote...

yep, I had no problems with the squadmate's AI. I wouldn't want them to do more. Insanity was easy enough in ME3. Making them do more would have made insanity a joke.

then i guess the rest of us had a bad game copy. the majority of them agree with me on this issue. It's why I'm hoping Bioware addresses it