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[Bad King]

...the reapers captured the Citadel, controlled the mass relays and isolated the prothean systems, then how did Javik get from the Cronian nebula to the Exodus cluster (Eden Prime)?

Not sure if massive retcon or just Vigil lying.

[The Angry One]

Writers forgot.

[lordnyx1]

He used the non relay-based FTL?

if the primitives can develop one I'd imagine the protheans did as well...

[A0170]

Stasis/FTL travel with whatever ships they had left. Remember, there stasis tech could preserve someone for thousands of years, so it wouldn't matter how long there ships took to get from one system to the other.

Modifié par A0170, 29 avril 2012 - 04:20 .

[The Angry One]

A0170 wrote...

Stasis/FTL travel with whatever ships they had left. Remember, there stasis tech could preserve someone for thousands of years, so it wouldn't matter how long there ships took to get from one system to the other.

Er, yes it would considering the Reapers were still around.

[Zardoc]

A0170 wrote...

Stasis/FTL travel with whatever ships they had left. Remember, their stasis tech could preserve someone for thousands of years, so it wouldn't matter how long there ships took to get from one system to the other.

Just not their smartest and brightest, apparently.

[A0170]

The Angry One wrote...

A0170 wrote...

Stasis/FTL travel with whatever ships they had left. Remember, there stasis tech could preserve someone for thousands of years, so it wouldn't matter how long there ships took to get from one system to the other.

Er, yes it would considering the Reapers were still around.

Not if their VI guided those ships to avoid Reaper occupied systems. And because of the stasis tech they had the luxury of taking the long way to avoid the occupied ones.

[The Angry One]

A0170 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

A0170 wrote...

Stasis/FTL travel with whatever ships they had left. Remember, there stasis tech could preserve someone for thousands of years, so it wouldn't matter how long there ships took to get from one system to the other.

Er, yes it would considering the Reapers were still around.

Not if their VI guided those ships to avoid Reaper occupied systems. And because of the stasis tech they had the luxury of taking the long way to avoid the occupied ones.

.....

I mean, the Reapers were still around when they got there.
They harvested for around 300 years then went away.

[A0170]

Zardoc wrote...

A0170 wrote...

Stasis/FTL travel with whatever ships they had left. Remember, their stasis tech could preserve someone for thousands of years, so it wouldn't matter how long there ships took to get from one system to the other.

Just not their smartest and brightest, apparently.

And the Prothean scientists on Ilos weren't their smartest or brightest?

[lordnyx1]

The Angry One wrote...

A0170 wrote...

Stasis/FTL travel with whatever ships they had left. Remember, there stasis tech could preserve someone for thousands of years, so it wouldn't matter how long there ships took to get from one system to the other.

Er, yes it would considering the Reapers were still around.

Well space is big and the Reapers are idiots/lazy so its doubtful they have the reserves to check the void between stars in the entire galaxy during their few centuries of harvesting.

Hmm that would have been a better plot find a Quarian like species that had been living on ships for many many cycles and had waited out the Reapers culling inbetween the stars, they had either slowly gathered strength/tech and awaited the time for a strike or maybe were slowly dieing out and this cycle would be the last chance to see their ancient foes slain.

sigh but nope star jar and the off button of doom is the way to go...

[Zardoc]

A0170 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

A0170 wrote...

Stasis/FTL travel with whatever ships they had left. Remember, their stasis tech could preserve someone for thousands of years, so it wouldn't matter how long there ships took to get from one system to the other.

Just not their smartest and brightest, apparently.

And the Prothean scientists on Ilos weren't their smartest or brightest?

They were, and the pods failed, one after another, due to lack of energy. They had the ability to preserve one person for 50k years, but not the ability to preserve several dozen to a few hundred of people for more than a couple hundred years in a facility that was specifically designed to withstand the centuries till the Reapers are gone? Please.

Modifié par Zardoc, 29 avril 2012 - 04:32 .

[A0170]

The Angry One wrote...

A0170 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

A0170 wrote...

Stasis/FTL travel with whatever ships they had left. Remember, there stasis tech could preserve someone for thousands of years, so it wouldn't matter how long there ships took to get from one system to the other.

Er, yes it would considering the Reapers were still around.

Not if their VI guided those ships to avoid Reaper occupied systems. And because of the stasis tech they had the luxury of taking the long way to avoid the occupied ones.

.....

I mean, the Reapers were still around when they got there.
They harvested for around 300 years then went away.

Got to the Exodus Cluster? That's where Eden Prime is located. The Protheans were planning a massive operation to freeze a million man army under Javik's command. If the Reapers had occupied the Exodus Cluster, why would the Protheans even bother using is then as a base of their operations. Rather I think the Exodus Cluster was one of their last, remaining enclaves and the Reapers found it in the end. Possibly due to the increase in travel to the Exodus Cluster so who knows.

[The Angry One]

If preserving stasis pods in deep space was that simple, why not just stay there and evade the Reapers? And why has no race ever done this successfully in billions of years?

Zardoc wrote...


They were, and the pods failed, one after another, due to lack of energy. They had the ability to preserve one person for 50k years, but not the ability to preserve several dozen of people for more than a couple hundred years? Please.

Maybe Vigil had to place priority on keeping itself running, whereas Victory didn't.

[A0170]

Zardoc wrote...

A0170 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

A0170 wrote...

Stasis/FTL travel with whatever ships they had left. Remember, their stasis tech could preserve someone for thousands of years, so it wouldn't matter how long there ships took to get from one system to the other.

Just not their smartest and brightest, apparently.

And the Prothean scientists on Ilos weren't their smartest or brightest?

They were, and the pods failed, one after another, due to lack of energy. They had the ability to preserve one person for 50k years, but not the ability to preserve several dozen of people for more than a couple hundred years? Please.

I'm talking about preserving them long enough to travel onboard the ships. Sure it would take a long time but it wouldn't take 50,000 years. And a small group of the Prothean scientists on Ilos did make it because they tampered with the Keepers no? 

What I'm saying is they can use FTL to bypass the relays, and with their stasis tech they don't have to worry about how long it would take. Thats all.

[The Angry One]

A0170 wrote...

Got to the Exodus Cluster? That's where Eden Prime is located. The Protheans were planning a massive operation to freeze a million man army under Javik's command. If the Reapers had occupied the Exodus Cluster, why would the Protheans even bother using is then as a base of their operations. Rather I think the Exodus Cluster was one of their last, remaining enclaves and the Reapers found it in the end. Possibly due to the increase in travel to the Exodus Cluster so who knows.

Maybe, but that's besides the point. The Reapers were still, um, reaping in the galaxy. So their travel time wasn't thousands of years, or even hundreds.

Hell if they could evade Reapers in deep space, why not just do that? Send a fleet travelling at relativistic speeds. More time passing in the galaxy. Then when the Reapers go away, head to a remote star system and start anew.

[A0170]

The Angry One wrote...

A0170 wrote...

Got to the Exodus Cluster? That's where Eden Prime is located. The Protheans were planning a massive operation to freeze a million man army under Javik's command. If the Reapers had occupied the Exodus Cluster, why would the Protheans even bother using is then as a base of their operations. Rather I think the Exodus Cluster was one of their last, remaining enclaves and the Reapers found it in the end. Possibly due to the increase in travel to the Exodus Cluster so who knows.

Maybe, but that's besides the point. The Reapers were still, um, reaping in the galaxy. So their travel time wasn't thousands of years, or even hundreds.

Hell if they could evade Reapers in deep space, why not just do that? Send a fleet travelling at relativistic speeds. More time passing in the galaxy. Then when the Reapers go away, head to a remote star system and start anew.

You bring up a good point. I guess it may have been due to the power constraints? Their ships would have to travel through space while keeping a large enough population to start a new civilization with in stasis. That would mean a lot, in order to create a viable breeding population. Also, you can't have too many ships, as that would run the risk of attracting the Reapers. As to why they couldn't just build these massive colony ships I don't know. Maybe duing the early stages the Protheans thought they could still win, and by the time they wanted to implement a "colony ship" plan, they just didn't have the resources to build a fleet like that. Or maybe they did but we just never heard about it. Lots of  speculation i know. 

[lordnyx1]

A0170 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

A0170 wrote...

Got to the Exodus Cluster? That's where Eden Prime is located. The Protheans were planning a massive operation to freeze a million man army under Javik's command. If the Reapers had occupied the Exodus Cluster, why would the Protheans even bother using is then as a base of their operations. Rather I think the Exodus Cluster was one of their last, remaining enclaves and the Reapers found it in the end. Possibly due to the increase in travel to the Exodus Cluster so who knows.

Maybe, but that's besides the point. The Reapers were still, um, reaping in the galaxy. So their travel time wasn't thousands of years, or even hundreds.

Hell if they could evade Reapers in deep space, why not just do that? Send a fleet travelling at relativistic speeds. More time passing in the galaxy. Then when the Reapers go away, head to a remote star system and start anew.

You bring up a good point. I guess it may have been due to the power constraints? Their ships would have to travel through space while keeping a large enough population to start a new civilization with in stasis. That would mean a lot, in order to create a viable breeding population. Also, you can't have too many ships, as that would run the risk of attracting the Reapers. As to why they couldn't just build these massive colony ships I don't know. Maybe duing the early stages the Protheans thought they could still win, and by the time they wanted to implement a "colony ship" plan, they just didn't have the resources to build a fleet like that. Or maybe they did but we just never heard about it. Lots of  speculation i know. 

Well the protheans were building the cruiable as well, and since Hacket thought it was such a great idea to put all of the galaxy's eggs into one basket maybe the Protheans did as well. Though since the relays were cut off I don't really see how they could ship all the materials nessary to build the thing in the first place but oh well the writers apparently played only the ps3 verision.

Also there is a dlc proposal floating about this subforum about a lost prothean fleet. It is a rather neat idea.

Modifié par lordnyx1, 29 avril 2012 - 04:48 .

[A0170]

lordnyx1 wrote...

A0170 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

A0170 wrote...

Got to the Exodus Cluster? That's where Eden Prime is located. The Protheans were planning a massive operation to freeze a million man army under Javik's command. If the Reapers had occupied the Exodus Cluster, why would the Protheans even bother using is then as a base of their operations. Rather I think the Exodus Cluster was one of their last, remaining enclaves and the Reapers found it in the end. Possibly due to the increase in travel to the Exodus Cluster so who knows.

Maybe, but that's besides the point. The Reapers were still, um, reaping in the galaxy. So their travel time wasn't thousands of years, or even hundreds.

Hell if they could evade Reapers in deep space, why not just do that? Send a fleet travelling at relativistic speeds. More time passing in the galaxy. Then when the Reapers go away, head to a remote star system and start anew.

You bring up a good point. I guess it may have been due to the power constraints? Their ships would have to travel through space while keeping a large enough population to start a new civilization with in stasis. That would mean a lot, in order to create a viable breeding population. Also, you can't have too many ships, as that would run the risk of attracting the Reapers. As to why they couldn't just build these massive colony ships I don't know. Maybe duing the early stages the Protheans thought they could still win, and by the time they wanted to implement a "colony ship" plan, they just didn't have the resources to build a fleet like that. Or maybe they did but we just never heard about it. Lots of  speculation i know. 

Well the protheans were building the cruiable as well, and since Hacket thought it was such a great idea to put all of the galaxy's eggs into one basket maybe the Protheans did as well.

Also there is a dlc proposal floating about this subforum about a lost prothean fleet. It is a rather neat idea.

Good point. And yeah I wrote it, check out the sig.

Thanks for enjoying it. 

[The Angry One]

Heh, you know that would've been an interesting twist. The Reapers pass down the Crucible plans subtly to each cycle so that the organics waste time building a deus ex machina to save them all instead of doing anything practical like fighting them on a large scale or running away.

Ultimately it does nothing. To be honest that's the impression I get anyway,

[A0170]

The Angry One wrote...

Heh, you know that would've been an interesting twist. The Reapers pass down the Crucible plans subtly to each cycle so that the organics waste time building a deus ex machina to save them all instead of doing anything practical like fighting them on a large scale or running away.

Ultimately it does nothing. To be honest that's the impression I get anyway,

That was honestly what I was hoping the Crucible to be. There's your genius ending Bioware!

[The Angry One]

Opsrbest wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Heh, you know that would've been an interesting twist. The Reapers pass down the Crucible plans subtly to each cycle so that the organics waste time building a deus ex machina to save them all instead of doing anything practical like fighting them on a large scale or running away.

Ultimately it does nothing. To be honest that's the impression I get anyway,

The Protheans tried to do all three.

But that's the thing, they were divided. They were spending resources on a costly boondoggle when they should've been concentrating 100% on either war or self preservation.
The same thing happens with our cycle. Tons and tons of resources poured into constructing this ridiculous white elephant that could've gone into ships and weapons, or a project to preserve as many survivors as possible.

The Reapers are actually pretty dim. Javik's gambit almost worked but for a few traitors.

[grey_wind]

ME3 basically pretends the Reapers' MO of seizing the Citadel and shutting down the relay network were never part of the lore. That's really the simplest and most likely answer to your question.

[A0170]

The Angry One wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Heh, you know that would've been an interesting twist. The Reapers pass down the Crucible plans subtly to each cycle so that the organics waste time building a deus ex machina to save them all instead of doing anything practical like fighting them on a large scale or running away.

Ultimately it does nothing. To be honest that's the impression I get anyway,

The Protheans tried to do all three.

But that's the thing, they were divided. They were spending resources on a costly boondoggle when they should've been concentrating 100% on either war or self preservation.
The same thing happens with our cycle. Tons and tons of resources poured into constructing this ridiculous white elephant that could've gone into ships and weapons, or a project to preserve as many survivors as possible.

The Reapers are actually pretty dim. Javik's gambit almost worked but for a few traitors.

I agree, but without the promise of a magical Reaper killing space machine, the races of our cycle would've just bickered amongst each other until the Reapers conquered us one by one. We saw how the first Council meeting in ME3 went. Each Council race was too worried about defending their own territory to help out the others. Sure, maybe they would've changed their tone when things got desperate, but would we still be in any position to win at that point? The hope of the Crucible was the one thing that got all the races to eventually commit to a united war effort, and even then it took some serious effort by Shepard to convince them to join (i.e. curing the Genophage, brokering peace between the Quarians and Geth). 

This would've made your idea for the Crucible being a Reaper trap all the more better. A false hope that brought all the races together with the sole purpose of squandering their resources. It's a shame the writers didn't go with this.

Modifié par A0170, 29 avril 2012 - 05:20 .