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[xlegionx]

Let's see...

So you're perfectly fine with the mass relays being destroyed, creating a galactic dark age? not to mention the only previous example of a mass relay being destroyed caused the destruction of the entire system it's in?

You're ok with Joker suddenly became a coward without explanation and running away from the fight?

You're ok with the fact that you just violated every single being in the galaxy without them having a say?

You're okay with the fact that the very existence of Star brat invalidates the purpose of Sovereign and therefore the entire plot of ME1?

You're ok with the fact that, in a series built on choice & consequence and attachment to characters, all your choices in the past three game, no matter how different, still lead to the same three endings, which are identical to each other (oh wait, they're different colors, my bad), and that there is no proper closure to any of the major characters?

I normally have no qualms with people who actually like the ending. I wish i could, so that i wouldn't have experienced the sour taste of a terrible ending. But to say you have "lost all respect" for the community, means your respect is worth very little

EDIT: Oh, and you must also be ok with Shepard, who is always about defying the odds or finding another way, is suddenly submissive to this strange AI, who controls the Reapers and therefore is his opposition?

Modifié par xlegionx, 29 avril 2012 - 08:49 .

[The Angry One]

Talogrungi wrote...

Synthesis is surrender. Surrender is suicide.

"Is not submission preferable to extinction?"

[Stokie Stallion]

MegaSovereign wrote...

 Do organics all come equiped with wi-fi?

 I rofl'd

[Talogrungi]

The Angry One wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

Synthesis is surrender. Surrender is suicide.

"Is not submission preferable to extinction?"

"We fight or we die."

[BiancoAngelo7]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

game was crap, ending was crap

OP's message is also crap.

[KingNothing125]

ckriley wrote...

I can only assume those of you complaining never saw The Matrix trilogy, because that is EXACTLY what the synthesis ending was.  Almost to the letter.

Stopped reading right there. If you liked the end of the Matrix 3, then of course you're going to like the end of ME3. Because they are carbon copies of each other. And they're both ridiculously terrible.

[The Angry One]

Talogrungi wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

Synthesis is surrender. Surrender is suicide.

"Is not submission preferable to extinction?"

"We fight or we die."

Catalyst: "Stop fighting and pick a colour."

Shepard: "Okay."

[spiriticon]

I stand by my observation that those who love the endings are those that love synthesis on the arty, abstract level.

Which is fine. I like the ideals of synthesis in an abstract way too but the biochemist in me just cannot suspend belief enough for a green ball of light to merge everything in the universe on a DNA level. I really tried.

Modifié par spiriticon, 29 avril 2012 - 08:54 .

[The Angry One]

spiriticon wrote...

I stand by my observation that those who love the endings are those that love synthesis on the arty, abstract level.

Which is fine. I like the ideals of synthesis in an abstract way too but the biochemist in me just cannot suspend belief enough for a green ball of light to merge everything in the universe on a DNA level. I really tried.

And I can't ignore the fact that by choosing synthesis, one supports the ideal of every racist who ever existed.

Modifié par The Angry One, 29 avril 2012 - 08:55 .

[Bill Casey]

ckriley wrote...

I chose e synthesis ending and it was the precise thing mt Sheperd would have done: sacrificing herself for the greater good.

Raping the universe at the genetic level and asserting organics and synthetics can't learn to get along on their own is not the "Greater Good"...

The message is forced homogenization...

It's ****ing disgusting and racist...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 29 avril 2012 - 08:57 .

[Talogrungi]

The Angry One wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

Synthesis is surrender. Surrender is suicide.

"Is not submission preferable to extinction?"

"We fight or we die."

Catalyst: "Stop fighting and pick a colour."

Shepard: "Okay."

Strawberry Suicide. At least I'll have the pleasure of watching the Reapers burn before I'm swallowed by the plotholes!

[Lakeshow1986]

The indoctrination theory is the only reason I liked the ending, if the ending was to be taken at face value then I would bring up sooooooo many plot holes. My Shepard chose the destroy option straight away because that was the goal of the series, to defeat the reapers!

Control wasn't an option, "He could not control us, because we already controlled him", what makes Shepard so immune to indoctrination???

Synthesis wasn't an option to me, merge with reapers? GTFO. What right did I have to change the makeup of every living being in the galaxy, space magic aside.

Indoctrination theory made the ending brilliant for me.

[Zix13]

KingNothing125 wrote...

ckriley wrote...

I can only assume those of you complaining never saw The Matrix trilogy, because that is EXACTLY what the synthesis ending was.  Almost to the letter.

Stopped reading right there. If you liked the end of the Matrix 3, then of course you're going to like the end of ME3. Because they are carbon copies of each other. And they're both ridiculously terrible.

The endings were almost equally terrible, but one fit the themes, genre, and style of the story and the other did not. Guess which is which.

[clarkusdarkus]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

game was crap, ending was crap

OP's message is also crap.

this thread and my reply is also crap

[Bill Casey]

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Control wasn't an option, "He could not control us, because we already controlled him", what makes Shepard so immune to indoctrination???

Because he just shot Anderson...

...wait

Modifié par Bill Casey, 29 avril 2012 - 08:58 .

[moater boat]

ckriley wrote...

 I should also mention that my EMS was something like 6100 and my galactic readiness was 90% by the time I got to the final battle due to doing a lot of multiplayer, so I'm not sure if that changed anything.

It doesn't change much to be honest, but the fact that you played so much multiplayer before you got around to beating the game is a pretty good indicator of how invested you are in the Mass Effect storyline. Do you see where I am going with this? There are a lot of us who went to the midnight release, and then beat the game later in the week. The fact that you spent a great deal of time lolligagging around in multiplayer is a clear indication that you don't care about the game as much as many of us.

Not that there is anything wrong with that per se. I don't demand that you are as much of a fan as I am. But I think it is very conceited of you to say that because you are happy with something that you obviously don't care about that much, everyone else, who actually gives a damn, should be happy too.

Essentially, your opinion of the ending isn't worth much because you obviously don't care about the game itself that much.

[Talogrungi]

Bill Casey wrote...

ckriley wrote...

I chose e synthesis ending and it was the precise thing mt Sheperd would have done: sacrificing herself for the greater good.

Raping the universe at the genetic level and asserting organics and synthetics can't learn to get along on their own is not the "Greater Good"...

It's ****ing disgusting and racist..

Not to mention fundamentally stupid.

"If we make organics and synthetics the same, they'll live in peace!"

Yeah, right .. Civil War is like, totally a myth.

[A0170]

I admire your bravery OP. But the ending, as it stands, has far too many inconsistencies and plotholes IMO.

Control is billed as the option that does the least damage to the galaxy, allowing for the relays and the Citadel to remain intact. But you've been arguing against TIM for the entire game because thats precisely what he wants to do. Control and the power it comes with is supposedly wrong and leads to corruption, like with TIM's indoctrination. So why is it portrayed as the potential, least destructive paragon option then? Also, there's the question of how exactly Shepard can control the Reapers, and become one himself after being disintegrated in a beam of energy.

Synthesis is the forced genetic reconstruction of every sentient being in the galaxy, organic and synthetic, done without their consent. Isn't that what Saren wanted? The Reapers too? Not to mention that it's an end to natural evolution as well.

And of course there's Destroy, which allows you to accomplish the one goal you were given since ME1. But it means the sacrifice of the Geth, all other synthetic life, and yourself as well due to the implants from ME2. Also, Destroy is allegedly the renegade/evil option, yet its the option that Anderson symbolizes. Furthermore, Shepard can survive, showing that the Catalyst's logic can be proven wrong. And if its wrong about Shepard surviving, what else is it wrong about? How can such a being be trusted, especially if its asking you to commit either genocide, the forced genetic restructuring of the galaxy, or succumb to alleged corruption of power that comes with controlling the Reapers?

See at what I'm getting at here? Yes, Bioware was trying to give us an adult, morally ambiguous choice that would forever change the whole galaxy. But the implementation of which was dreadful. There's no satisfaction to be enjoyed with each choice, no assurance that you made the right one, only speculation.

[Bill Casey]

It only works if it alters minds...
Like if the Catalyst/Reapers can just force people to get along...

[Zuka999]

I always see these threads an immediately write them off as troll threads. They're just well thought out troll threads. I honestly cannot imagine a single person, no matter how out of touch with literature, seeing the ending of Mass Effect 3 and going, "Yeah. Wow. That is exactly what I wanted to happen."

[The Angry One]

I'd like to think troll, because how someone can genuinely think like this and post a self-defeating argument is beyond me.

How is it self defeating? "The ending is perfect! Except for the bits that the EC needs to fix!"
Well then, how is it perfect? If the ending requires an addon to be satisfactory, then it has failed.

Modifié par The Angry One, 29 avril 2012 - 09:02 .

[Bill Casey]

I can see people liking Synthesis if they don't think about it...

[Aaleel]

I shocked that people can actually get on board with the Eugenics....err I mean Synthesis ending.

I thought is was just wrong on so many levels.

[ticklefist]

So you're weird and think Matrix Revolutions and Mass Effect 3 have good endings. Not sure I need your respect.

[Gill Kaiser]

ckriley wrote...

I chose e synthesis ending and it was the precise thing mt Sheperd would have done: sacrificing herself for the greater good.

The sacrifice isn't the problem, although it's frankly ridiculous that Shepard must die in every ending for one arbitrary reason or another (not counting the "Shepard breathes" scene, which makes so little sense and is so unsatisfying that it loses any and all meaning it might potentially have had).

The problem is that Synthesis is not "the greater good". It only has ANY merit if you believe the Catalyst's assertion that synthetic and organic war is inevitable and will INEVITABLY lead to complete organic extinction. This is an assertion for which the Catalyst provides NO evidence, and which the series has seemingly already refuted through the characters of EDI and the geth. Without that, the merits of Synthesis become simply to stop the reapers, which we do by doing what the Reapers want in the first place! It becomes capitulation, plain and simple.

Synthesis is monstrous. Body sovereignty ignored. Forced change on a genetic level. Galactic homogenisation. Destruction of free will through alteration of the parties' very essence.

Synthesis also makes no sense on a purely practical level. The genetics of every entity in the galaxy rewritten WHILE THEY STILL LIVE? Synthetics somehow given organic components? A beam of light did this! The rules of the universe that were previously plausible, or at least well thought out in the framework of the game's fiction, are completely **** upon by the Synthesis ending.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 29 avril 2012 - 09:07 .