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[PrimeOfValor]

Funny, it is the major community who has the bigger voice and made a bigger mark in history than people saying "leave the ending as it is" which the ending is absolute garbage without ec.

[The Angry One]

Aaleel wrote...

I shocked that people can actually get on board with the Eugenics....err I mean Synthesis ending.

I thought is was just wrong on so many levels.

Me too. Like was said they probably don't think about it, or choose to ignore the implications instead taking the Catalyst's words at face value (also choosing to ignore the fact that the Catalyst is a genocidal maniac).

[DJBare]

Talogrungi wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

Synthesis is surrender. Surrender is suicide.

"Is not submission preferable to extinction?"

"We fight or we die."

"But you are taking away our humanity, we might as well be machines doing what we are told"

So Shepard jumps into the pretty light(No!, stay away from the light!) and turns the entire galaxy into half organic, half synthetic, way to go Shep!

[wryterra]

ckriley wrote...

 And that's not sarcasm either.  The ending I chose for my Sheperd made the most sense and wrapped up the series perfectly for me.  I should also mention that my EMS was something like 6100 and my galactic readiness was 90% by the time I got to the final battle due to doing a lot of multiplayer, so I'm not sure if that changed anything.  But I couldn't for the life of me understand what all the bickering was about.

I started a thread on here about a week ago saying I lost all my respect for this community because the ME3 I was playing see,Ed completely different than the one everyone was griping about.  You guys seemed to be hating for the sake of hating.  Everyone that posted in that thread kept saying, "get back to us after you've finished it".  Well, I finished it and I'm here to tell you the ending was outstandng.

I chose e synthesis ending and it was the precise thing mt Sheperd would have done: sacrificing herself for the greater good.  I can only assume those of you complaining never saw The Matrix trilogy, because that is EXACTLY what the synthesis ending was.  Almost to the letter.  

Now, I don't know how the destruction or control endings are, but synthesis made the most sense for me.  And having those last moments with Andersen nearly brought me to tears.  Seriously.  And that's embarrassing to admit. Yes, there was definitely some vagueness to it.  And yes, I would like to know what became of my companions and the universe at large, but that's what the EC is for.

So, I stand by what I said.  I've lost all respect for this community.  The amount of hatred being heaped on the game just doesn't match the game I played.  Was it perfect?  No.  We're there things that bugged me?  Yes.  But did I find the game fun, exciting, and emotionally moving?  Absolutely.  In fact I was hoping BW didn't try to wrap everything up all nice and tidy at the end.  There HADto be loss.  The reapers were too massive for there not to be.
2. So. Thank you BioWare for this experience. I'm on my second play through and I can't wait to play it again.  Bravo!

Matrix trilogy did not end that way.

Lots of people hated the second two movies of that trilogy anyway.

Synthesis = the evolutionary heat-death of the universe and condemning all life to obsolesence, the star child even tells you that. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Bottom line: they shouldn't have had to do the EC. The stuff they're putting in the EC should have been in the game when it was published.

The uproar was the only thing that got them to do even this much.

[Zuka999]

What I don't get is how people can have no problems switching from Science Fiction to contrived symbolism within 5 minutes of each other and not see a problem. Its like they forgot that the previous 150 hours of gameplay didn't delve into overly pretentious "artsy" plot devices like.. I don't know, using 1 nameless child as symbolism for everyone who has died? Or "symbolically" giving everyone a utopian future? Or "symbolically" needing to die, because he's the hero? Even the defenders of the ending hold that the vast majority of the ending sequence with the Star Child is rooted in ridiculous amounts of symbolism because otherwise it doesn't make any sense at all.

Modifié par Zuka999, 29 avril 2012 - 09:11 .

[spiriticon]

Well I think the one plus point for synthesis is that: Out of the 3 endings, it unfortunately is the one most likely to achieve the longest lasting peace for the universe. The crimes needed to achieve that peace though, are pretty horrific. Does the end justify the means?

But yeah, space magic + genetic rape does not, and will not ever sit well with me. I forced myself to pick synthesis once to see the ending and I actually felt morally repulsed.

[Bill Casey]

Hey, remember all of those Prothean Beacons?

lulz

[frylock23]

Saw all three Matrix movies and decided that there was only one fit to be in my video library - the first one. The other two just went off the rails for me.

And while the synthesis ending sounds good in theory, it just doesn't hold up when you spend time thinking about what it *really* means. If you do, it really comes off as quite sinister, and I'm shocked that BioWare didn't spend more time actually thinking about the implications of what they were going to release to the public.

[Peranor]

Yo OP I'm really happy for you and I'mma let you like it and all. But Mass Effect 3 has the worst ending of all time

[ArchDuck]

Obvious troll is troll.

[Bill Casey]

Click - The Wachowski Brothers - The Matrix Creators

Modifié par Bill Casey, 29 avril 2012 - 09:25 .

[The Angry One]

spiriticon wrote...

Well I think the one plus point for synthesis is that: Out of the 3 endings, it unfortunately is the one most likely to achieve the longest lasting peace for the universe. The crimes needed to achieve that peace though, are pretty horrific. Does the end justify the means?

But yeah, space magic + genetic rape does not, and will not ever sit well with me. I forced myself to pick synthesis once to see the ending and I actually felt morally repulsed.

No but really, ask youself. How will it achieve peace? Making everyone the same will not give any peace, that is the belief system of racists and crackpots.
Even people of the same race and culture, with the same backgrounds and the same beliefs will fight each other if for no other reason that they don't have anyone else to fight.

The Catalyst presents a false dilemma with a false solution.

[parrmi22]

Oh sure, I had no problems with it at all. Except for the unanswered questions; lack of closure; Star Child; genocide of synthetics; strange fusion choice; Reapers' surviving in two of three endings; the fact that the Reapers were reduced to Star Child's puppets; Normandy landing on jungle planet; Shepard dying unless multiplayer played; destruction of Citadel, Mass Relays.

So no, I didn't have any problems with it. /sarcasm

[darkiddd]

ckriley wrote...

 And that's not sarcasm either.  The ending I chose for my Sheperd made the most sense and wrapped up the series perfectly for me.  I should also mention that my EMS was something like 6100 and my galactic readiness was 90% by the time I got to the final battle due to doing a lot of multiplayer, so I'm not sure if that changed anything.  But I couldn't for the life of me understand what all the bickering was about.

I started a thread on here about a week ago saying I lost all my respect for this community because the ME3 I was playing see,Ed completely different than the one everyone was griping about.  You guys seemed to be hating for the sake of hating.  Everyone that posted in that thread kept saying, "get back to us after you've finished it".  Well, I finished it and I'm here to tell you the ending was outstandng.

I chose e synthesis ending and it was the precise thing mt Sheperd would have done: sacrificing herself for the greater good.  I can only assume those of you complaining never saw The Matrix trilogy, because that is EXACTLY what the synthesis ending was.  Almost to the letter.  

Now, I don't know how the destruction or control endings are, but synthesis made the most sense for me.  And having those last moments with Andersen nearly brought me to tears.  Seriously.  And that's embarrassing to admit. Yes, there was definitely some vagueness to it.  And yes, I would like to know what became of my companions and the universe at large, but that's what the EC is for.

So, I stand by what I said.  I've lost all respect for this community.  The amount of hatred being heaped on the game just doesn't match the game I played.  Was it perfect?  No.  We're there things that bugged me?  Yes.  But did I find the game fun, exciting, and emotionally moving?  Absolutely.  In fact I was hoping BW didn't try to wrap everything up all nice and tidy at the end.  There HADto be loss.  The reapers were too massive for there not to be.
2. So. Thank you BioWare for this experience. I'm on my second play through and I can't wait to play it again.  Bravo!

Congratulations, you have just turned the whole galaxy into a freaking mix of flesh and steel, there's no more difference we are all equal, there aren't machines or organics, there aren't geth or humans, krogans or turians, asari or salarians, there's only "life" (<wtf)

Because we all know the theme of Mass Effect wasn't unity, tolerance and cooperation despite difference, and that diversity was great. Nope, it's obvious the theme of Mass Effect was to be as equal as possible, because diversity creates conflict and it's impossible to have peace so let's just make everybody equal.

The Reapers must be very dissapointed with your choice, to turn everyone into the same organic and machine being to resolve the conflict. It's completely opposite to what they wanted... it's not like you have just completed their objective... you have totally beated them... nobody would dare to say everything you did in 3 games served to complete their final objective... what a hero you are...

In case you didn't notice, this was all ironic. Your Shepard is the greatest douchebag in the universe.

And your judgement is awful.

[PrinceLionheart]

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 29 avril 2012 - 09:42 .

[Flextt]

I simply love pro-enders who like to diminish my mental capacity to that of a 3 yr old.

This ending may have been a success for your character, but that gives you no right to paint the ending as a multilateral success as very few, if any, others played exactly the same as you.

This. Synthesis for my ParaShep is the most abhorrent thing to do. For me, it means enforcing some sort of weird homogenization, that doesn't even end conflicts, e.g. about religious matters, after having achieved peace between the Geth and Quarians and giving everyone a second chance to redeem themselves. I was defiant of the Catalyst and proceeded to pick Destroy, which left a bitter taste in my mouth for the cost of it. I don't hate for the sake of hating. I hate, because I feel the game fell apart during its final minutes and delivered something that feels like a tumor to the game.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

No, the ending is bad and you should feel bad for thinking it is good.

[Konfined]

To truly save the galaxy we must enact Godwinn's law. Symbolism and artistic integrity at it's finest.

[Taboo]

 You've presented a rather poor case for yourself and have come across looking exatcly like Bioware has been treating you.

1. You assume for whatever reason that everyone's Shepard is the same.
2. You assume you know what Bioware wanted us to make out of their game.
3. You make disingenious assertions about things you cannot possibly have answers to.

What confuses me most is your lack of communication in this thread. You are either not interested in giving your opinion or are simply flame baiting.

I have yet to see one Pro-ender elcidate in clear detail the utter lack of perpicacity that the schizoid bull rush of the ending details. It makes me uncomfortable that people are so easily satiated when given something that insults their intelligence and they then use it to promote personal vanity.

I've seen this type of meta weirdness before. It's nothing new. It's been going on for well over forty years. I find your lack of knowledge in this area distrubing.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 29 avril 2012 - 09:39 .

[Aaleel]

"Sure as I know anything I know this, they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten, they'll swing back to the belief that they can make people...better."

10 internets to the person who can name that movie.

But back on topic. This is one of the things I thought of when I thought about Synthesis, and it scares me that when you hear Bioware people comment on the endings it seems like this is the one that makes the most sense to them.

[Konfined]

Aaleel wrote...

"Sure as I know anything I know this, they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten, they'll swing back to the belief that they can make people...better."

10 internets to the person who can name that movie.

But back on topic. This is one of the things I thought of when I thought about Synthesis, and it scares me that when you hear Bioware people comment on the endings it seems like this is the one that makes the most sense to them.

Malcolm Reynolds, Serenity, on board the Serenity while addressing the crew about the situation on Miranda. I want my internets in small change please. 

[Flextt]

Taboo-XX wrote...

 You've presented a rather poor case for yourself and have come across looking exatcly like Bioware has been treating you.

1. You assume for whatever reason that everyone's Shepard is the same.
2. You assume you know what Bioware wanted us to make out of their game.
3. You make disingenious assertions about things you cannot possibly have answers to.

What confuses me most is your lack of communication in this thread. You are either not interested in giving your opinion or are simply flame baiting.

I have yet to see one Pro-ender elcidate in clear detail the utter lack of perpicacity that the schizoid bull rush of the ending details. It makes me uncomfortable that people are so easily satiated when given something that insults their intelligence and they then use it to promote personal vanity.

I've seen this type of meta weirdness before. It's nothing new. It's been going on for well over forty years. I find your lack of knowledge in this area distrubing.

It is sometimes hard to accept, someone you respected fails.
It is also sometimes hard to accept, that there are people who simply care less than you or are less capable than you.
Or he and you are equals, but you fail to accept the schism for its sheer difference.

[AngryFrozenWater]

For my Shepards who have united the geth and the quarians the three choices were solutions to a non-existent problem. Dieing for such a cause feels like Shepard was a martyr for a cause already won. A Don Quixote tilting at windmills.