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[Taboo]

babachewie wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Doesn't really matter. The ending isn't changing whether people liked it or not.

Yes, it is

He doesn't understand anything about the malleability of narrative. Disengage. Futher participation might..........

You dont understand anything about when people say we arent changing the ending it means we arent changing the ending. 

You have missed all the information that has trickled down since an incredibly vague PR statement was made. Michael Gamble even came on the forum and said they would rework things but not change them completely. That's what it means. They are "changing" the endings without changing the endings. That's why they chose the name "Extended Cut".

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 29 avril 2012 - 10:12 .

[Mr.House]

ckriley wrote...
I chose e synthesis ending and it was the precise thing mt Sheperd would have done: sacrificing herself for the greater good.  I can only assume those of you complaining never saw The Matrix trilogy, because that is EXACTLY what the synthesis ending was.  Almost to the letter. 

I am playing Mass Effect, not the Matrix, I also hated Matrix 2 and 3 and the endign was bs in the Matrix 3.  You say the ending is perfect and you have no problems yet you say it's notr perfect and you admit there is soem problems in your post. This feels like another topic just to bash the peopel who did not enjoy teh ending and they don't liek it because they don't understand it.

[spiriticon]

babachewie wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Doesn't really matter. The ending isn't changing whether people liked it or not.

Yes, it is

He doesn't understand anything about the malleability of narrative. Disengage. Futher participation might..........

You dont understand anything about when people say we arent changing the ending it means we arent changing the ending. 

No, but there are a lot of assumptions made by everyone about the endings that simply isn't what they intended. Just cause they are sticking to control, synthesis and destroy themes doesn't mean they can't change all the small details which makes all the difference in interpretation.

[AlexXIV]

DJBare wrote...

I have a question, before I ask it however, in my opinion a player can choose whatever they want, that's what RPing is about after all.

So my question for those who chose synthesis, how do you know what you saw after jumping in the beam is real?

I chose synthesis the first time because I ran into white light. So it was accidently. You can't know anything is real after the stargazer sequence though. Because it could just be a fairy tale of an old man. Well actually ME isn't real because it is just a video game. I just didn't need Bioware to tell me that in the ending. It's like saying dude why do you waste your life with video games? Actually why do you waste it with mediocre cRPGs ...

[babachewie]

ReXspec wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Doesn't really matter. The ending isn't changing whether people liked it or not.

Yes, it is

He doesn't understand anything about the malleability of narrative. Disengage. Futher participation might..........

Agreed.  Just let the retard stay in his happy place.

Hey its this guy. Any luck articulating your own opinions or are you still throwing around youtube videos to speak for you for everyone to watch?

[AlexXIV]

Taboo-XX wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Doesn't really matter. The ending isn't changing whether people liked it or not.

Yes, it is

He doesn't understand anything about the malleability of narrative. Disengage. Futher participation might..........

You dont understand anything about when people say we arent changing the ending it means we arent changing the ending. 

You have missed all the information that has trickled down since an incredibly vague PR statement was made. Michael Gamble even came on the forum and said they would rework things but not change them completely. That's what it means. They are "changing" the endings without changing the endings. That's why they chose the name "Extended Cut".

Well a change is a change. If not it wouldn't be a change. Nobody expects them to change everything. But obviously if they wouldn't change anything, then what are they doing right now? Staring holes into the air?

Modifié par AlexXIV, 29 avril 2012 - 10:18 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Lavits75 wrote...

You're comparing Mass Effect to the Matrix.. You're comparing synthesis, the merging of organics and synthetics, to a giant baby made of squid robots who strikes a deal between organics and synthetics WITH NO merging whatsoever.

I fail to see the correlation between the two. My question is: Do you think? At all? Ever?

There's a lot of uncertainty regarding the Matrix....first and foremost if Neo was the error, the remainder of an imperfect equation that kept returning or being reborn(well recreated I should say since Neo wasn't "born") if you will then is he not a machine soul born in a human body to begin with....then Smith takes over a human body and crosses into the real world...are they the only two odds? Aren't all human souls now originating from machine code since for the most part humans are now created by machines....hybrids so to speak....not phisically but at a far more fundamental level, "spritually" I guess you could say.

But you are right Neo as we see him in the Matrix trilogy only merges himself with the machines, not everybody else so this comparrison does not really fit the Matrix trilogy....unless you look at the previous Neos whom we cannot since we know nothing of or if you look into the deeper philosophy of the story in which case humans and machines may have been hybrids all along....but ME3 is NOT the Matrix and whereas the threading of the Matrix story was masterful and great and highly philosophical the ending of ME3 was just plain and simply a massive, steaming pile of crap.

But I digress....whatever the OP is on I want it so it'd be great if he could share with us what we need to smoke, inject, consume or intravenously insert in our bodies to make this ending seem just a little better.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 29 avril 2012 - 10:20 .

[ReXspec]

Taboo-XX wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Doesn't really matter. The ending isn't changing whether people liked it or not.

Yes, it is

He doesn't understand anything about the malleability of narrative. Disengage. Futher participation might..........

You dont understand anything about when people say we arent changing the ending it means we arent changing the ending. 

You have missed all the information that has trickled down since an incredibly vague PR statement was made. Michael Gamble even came on the forum and said they would rework things but not change them completely. That's what it means. They are "changing" the endings without changing the endings. That's why they chose the name "Extended Cut".

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Taboo, I honestly wouldn't bother.  Babachewie is caught in a fantasy world where space magic is correct, Bioware is infallible, and the majority of fans are somehow the minority.

He is an idiot beyond reckoning and arguing with him is like trying to lick your elbow.

[MakeMineMako]

Glad you liked OP. Too bad many of us didn't.

[The Protheans]

Great troll post OP, personally me myself I would not lower myself to this level and I can't comprehend what made you do it.


My favorite part was the when you said the perfect ending for you shepard.
Quality troll remark right there its a wonder your Shepard didn't side with Saren and kill his two squad mates in the citadel chambers.
The remark on you losing your respect of the community was top quality too, it implied that people cared you had personal respect of the Mass effect community.

[Taboo]

AlexXIV wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Doesn't really matter. The ending isn't changing whether people liked it or not.

Yes, it is

He doesn't understand anything about the malleability of narrative. Disengage. Futher participation might..........

You dont understand anything about when people say we arent changing the ending it means we arent changing the ending. 

You have missed all the information that has trickled down since an incredibly vague PR statement was made. Michael Gamble even came on the forum and said they would rework things but not change them completely. That's what it means. They are "changing" the endings without changing the endings. That's why they chose the name "Extended Cut".

Well a change is a change. If not it wouldn't be a change. Nobody expects them to change everything. But obviously if they wouldn't change anything, then what are they doing right now? Staring holes into the air?

It boggles my mind that people still haven't figured out that they are retconning in some capacity. Like with the relays. Those aren't killing everyone. They are proabably reworking the Star Child dialouge. We also know that Tricia Helfer is coming in to do voive work for EDI for the EC.

[Archer610]

spiriticon wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

spiriticon wrote...

Well I think the one plus point for synthesis is that: Out of the 3 endings, it unfortunately is the one most likely to achieve the longest lasting peace for the universe. The crimes needed to achieve that peace though, are pretty horrific. Does the end justify the means?

But yeah, space magic + genetic rape does not, and will not ever sit well with me. I forced myself to pick synthesis once to see the ending and I actually felt morally repulsed.

No but really, ask youself. How will it achieve peace? Making everyone the same will not give any peace, that is the belief system of racists and crackpots.
Even people of the same race and culture, with the same backgrounds and the same beliefs will fight each other if for no other reason that they don't have anyone else to fight.

The Catalyst presents a false dilemma with a false solution.

Synthesis does not claim to achieve eternal peace on an inter or intra-organic species level. However, it will acheive peace with the Reapers because it will remove their only motive for existing. That's what the 3 games are about, finding a way to stop the Reaper threat. I think of it as a peace treaty with the Reapers on the most simplest of manners. Sort of like saying to them "Stop killing us and be a part of us".

There is still diversity in the universe in the sense that the different organic species maintain their own culture and genetic differences. The only thing that has changed is that everyone has a bit of robot in them (yuck).

What's to prevent these new synthetic/organic beings from someday creating a purely synthetic race, who will one day rise up and kill them?  I don't see how this actually solves the Catalyst's (admittedly false) original problem?

[Captain Crash]

Im one of those in the camp that didnt actually mind the end.

However it was far from perfect and there are gaping things that the extended cut needs to address. 

[Lenseflare]

hosen17 wrote...

So why did you kill Saren in ME1 if you think synthesis is perfect?

Thats a good point actually.

[babachewie]

Taboo-XX wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Doesn't really matter. The ending isn't changing whether people liked it or not.

Yes, it is

He doesn't understand anything about the malleability of narrative. Disengage. Futher participation might..........

You dont understand anything about when people say we arent changing the ending it means we arent changing the ending. 

You have missed all the information that has trickled down since an incredibly vague PR statement was made. Michael Gamble even came on the forum and said they would rework things but not change them completely. That's what it means. They are "changing" the endings without changing the endings. That's why they chose the name "Extended Cut".

Well a change is a change. If not it wouldn't be a change. Nobody expects them to change everything. But obviously if they wouldn't change anything, then what are they doing right now? Staring holes into the air?

It boggles my mind that people still haven't figured out that they are retconning in some capacity. Like with the relays. Those aren't killing everyone. They are proabably reworking the Star Child dialouge. We also know that Tricia Helfer is coming in to do voive work for EDI for the EC.

The Mass Relays didnt kill anyone to begin with if the EMS was high enough

[Joe Del Toro]

I've done a few playthroughs now, and on my current one I was going to choose Synthesis. But I thought about it for a while and I just can't abide by the Reapers suddenly going 'Oh, they changed themselves? Now we don't mind them.' That...really is quite abhorrent.

[Taboo]

babachewie wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Doesn't really matter. The ending isn't changing whether people liked it or not.

Yes, it is

He doesn't understand anything about the malleability of narrative. Disengage. Futher participation might..........

You dont understand anything about when people say we arent changing the ending it means we arent changing the ending. 

You have missed all the information that has trickled down since an incredibly vague PR statement was made. Michael Gamble even came on the forum and said they would rework things but not change them completely. That's what it means. They are "changing" the endings without changing the endings. That's why they chose the name "Extended Cut".

Well a change is a change. If not it wouldn't be a change. Nobody expects them to change everything. But obviously if they wouldn't change anything, then what are they doing right now? Staring holes into the air?

It boggles my mind that people still haven't figured out that they are retconning in some capacity. Like with the relays. Those aren't killing everyone. They are proabably reworking the Star Child dialouge. We also know that Tricia Helfer is coming in to do voive work for EDI for the EC.

The Mass Relays didnt kill anyone to begin with if the EMS was high enough

They blow up. Regardless of them going Supernova I would assume that people caught in the energy wave would have some issues.

People are going to die regardless. Worlds are devestated, lives are destroyed. People are going to die waiting for food, water, medicine etc. etc. The relays being destroyed creates quite a bit of problems.

I'm still in ****ing awe over the lack of foresight.

[Cazychel]

Good that you liked it, but no. I chose Synthesis initially - because "Hey, look. No one has to die." - and there were some good scenes within it.

But in the end, after thinking about it, it was the weakest ending. Both other endings made kind of sense, you stopped the Reaper threat one way or the other. But one question let's Synthesis crumble to dust:

What does it accomplish?

Moral dilemmas, racist implications, space magic and unforeseeable consequences aside: Nothing. It isn't even a solution to the given problem. The Reapers are still there, Synthetics can still destroy all organic life eventually (within the theory of Technological Singularity they inevitably will do so) and the cycle will have to go on (by the Reapers logic).

And it wasn't merely the choices that made the ending that disappointing for the majority of players.

[Ultra Prism]

So somebody explain why is Joker fleeing again!

[spiriticon]

Archer610 wrote...

What's to prevent these new synthetic/organic beings from someday creating a purely synthetic race, who will one day rise up and kill them?  I don't see how this actually solves the Catalyst's (admittedly false) original problem?

I think synthesis is meant to abstractly remove or blur the distinction between organics and synthetics. I think if you listen to Javik he says that pure synthetics will always see pure organics as flawed. When the master is seen as flawed it is inevitable that one day a mutiny will occur.

I think once the synthesis ending occurs there is no such thing as a pure synthetic anymore.

[babachewie]

Taboo-XX wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Doesn't really matter. The ending isn't changing whether people liked it or not.

Yes, it is

He doesn't understand anything about the malleability of narrative. Disengage. Futher participation might..........

You dont understand anything about when people say we arent changing the ending it means we arent changing the ending. 

You have missed all the information that has trickled down since an incredibly vague PR statement was made. Michael Gamble even came on the forum and said they would rework things but not change them completely. That's what it means. They are "changing" the endings without changing the endings. That's why they chose the name "Extended Cut".

Well a change is a change. If not it wouldn't be a change. Nobody expects them to change everything. But obviously if they wouldn't change anything, then what are they doing right now? Staring holes into the air?

It boggles my mind that people still haven't figured out that they are retconning in some capacity. Like with the relays. Those aren't killing everyone. They are proabably reworking the Star Child dialouge. We also know that Tricia Helfer is coming in to do voive work for EDI for the EC.

The Mass Relays didnt kill anyone to begin with if the EMS was high enough

They blow up. Regardless of them going Supernova I would assume that people caught in the energy wave would have some issues.

People are going to die regardless. Worlds are devestated, lives are destroyed. People are going to die waiting for food, water, medicine etc. etc. The relays being destroyed creates quite a bit of problems.

I'm still in ****ing awe over the lack of foresight.

Well you know what happens when you assume? The only thing effected by the energy wave was the reapers unless you picked synthesis. Then yeah people were effected. Also I guess none of the war ships packed extra lunches or supplies for anyone right? Civilizations were fine before the relays. Plus hardly no one come's out of war without  problems that need fixing right after. People will die. 

[Utopianus]

I don't see why people must post and repost so many of these feedback threads where it doesn't belong - there is a feedback section on the forum for it and you will most likely not attract people who respond to your post negatively, and certainly, you won't be stirring up more trouble.

Though you said you have lost respect for the community, I hope you do realise that it is precisely what you are doing here that's one of the main causes for the current problem, in conjunction with BioWare's less than professional responses. People are angry because their initial concerns and voices of displeasure were dismissed, ridiculed and then put-down, which is akin to turning up the heat whilst trying to keep the lid down, and then posts like the one you made here started cropping up and things really went ugly, which isn't surprising when a pressure cooker explodes.

IF you really liked the ending and care DEEPLY about the community, then you'll have the sensible mind to do your best in encouraging BioWare whilst AVOIDING adding more fuel to the fire; that is, post what you have written here in the feedback section and avoid posting in this section of the forum with provocative/antagonising posts. You'll do yourself, BioWare and the community all a favour.

[Dragoonlordz]

Utopianus wrote...

I don't see why people must post and repost so many of these feedback threads where it doesn't belong - there is a feedback section on the forum for it and you will most likely not attract people who respond to your post negatively, and certainly, you won't be stirring up more trouble.

Though you said you have lost respect for the community, I hope you do realise that it is precisely what you are doing here that's one of the main causes for the current problem, in conjunction with BioWare's less than professional responses. People are angry because their initial concerns and voices of displeasure were dismissed, ridiculed and then put-down, which is akin to turning up the heat whilst trying to keep the lid down, and then posts like the one you made here started cropping up and things really went ugly, which isn't surprising when a pressure cooker explodes.

IF you really liked the ending and care DEEPLY about the community, then you'll have the sensible mind to do your best in encouraging BioWare whilst AVOIDING adding more fuel to the fire; that is, post what you have written here in the feedback section and avoid posting in this section of the forum with provocative/antagonising posts. You'll do yourself, BioWare and the community all a favour.

The day the ones who hate the ending limit themselves to one single feedback thread is the day those of us who do not mind the ending will do the same. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that to happen although I have asked many times for Bioware to enforce limiting ending feedback to a single thread both positive and negative.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 avril 2012 - 10:53 .

[Provo_101]

spiriticon wrote...

Archer610 wrote...

What's to prevent these new synthetic/organic beings from someday creating a purely synthetic race, who will one day rise up and kill them?  I don't see how this actually solves the Catalyst's (admittedly false) original problem?

I think synthesis is meant to abstractly remove or blur the distinction between organics and synthetics. I think if you listen to Javik he says that pure synthetics will always see pure organics as flawed. When the master is seen as flawed it is inevitable that one day a mutiny will occur.

I think once the synthesis ending occurs there is no such thing as a pure synthetic anymore.

Through the power of :wizard:  !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I ended up listening to Javik in the end, as much as it pained me to do it, I threw Geth out the airlock.



Millions of them.

[AlexPorto111]

I just finished ME3 for the 4 time,and i got to say,i liked more the ending now.The overall cinematic is amazingly done,and the soundtrack is even better.Of course,Joker running is still really stupid,but that the EC will resolve.