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[Taboo]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Provo_101 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

I love how when people don't understand something it's god or magic.

*snip*

Enlighten us then.

Please, do tell.

Everything in the game world Bioware create is by their rules, they can change those rules too.

Show a caveman a lighter and he will scream magic and if pop down in front of one in a helicopter he will call you a god, in medieval times doing something someone did not understand was called magic and you would be burned or drowned. Just because it is not explained does not mean it does not have a valid explanation if they chose to create one in this virtual fantasy world and it is a science "fiction" make believe setting, it is all open to be changed, created or manipulated to the creators wishes.

For example if they change a mere codex entry or even create a second entry with alternative outcome it could wipe out half the ranting and complaining about an issue.

Yes they can but doing so in a large capacity insults the audience and is never acceptable. You cannot trail an audience on something for well over one hundred hours and then pull something out of your hat and expect a positive reaction. I've seen this happen before at film festivals such as Cannes. This is not a new idea. Nor was it ever a smart idea. if this is not rectified for enough people it will remain a particularly dark mark on gaming history. Bioware is marketing to a mass audience and should not be at all suprised if they find themselves at odds. They have every right to do what they want as do the people who pay for their art product.

[chevyguy87]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Provo_101 wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

Exactly why I will always choose the Destroy ending. 

Green - Doing what Saren wanted 
Blue - Doing what T.I.M wanted
Red - Telling those guys to eat sh*t and ending the war for good

Quoted for justice.

 

all still being a puppet of  The Catalyst... so how does being a real boy feel pinnocio? 

 
I don't believe it still counts being as you say "puppet" if you kill your puppeteer in the process.

[Leafs43]

People like the OP is why I weep for humanity,

To ignorant to critically think, then offended when told to do so,

[my Aim is True]

No one can ever explain how they are 'perfect' they just say they are.

"Yes, there was definitely some vagueness to it. And yes, I would like to know what became of my companions and the universe at large, but that's what the EC is for."

Ego, not perfect. If you need the EC to know what happens the ending is not perfect!

[nwj94]

Not going to argue with you, if you liked the ending thats up to you, but don't tell the rest of the community that they don't have a right to their opinion.  There are a few bad apples but plenty of people have comported themselves with a polite and calm demeanor.

I couldn't look past the problems, if wish to know what some of my complaints are I recomend you watch this video.  Its a good summary of what we don't like.  If you liked the ending thats fine, most other people didn't.  Be happy you were in the lucky 5% who didn't have the game series ruined by the last 10 minutes

[ReluctantMind]

A major problem here is that pro and anti enders are looking at each other with total incomprehension. It's so unfathomable that anyone could genuinely love the ending that that person must be a pompous shill. It's so bizarre that anyone could hate the ending that that person must "not get it" and is "hating for the sake of hating". At some point we are going to have to accept that plenty of people on both sides will never be convinced by the other and that both sides are allowed to express their equally valid (for them) opinions and even exert their powers as consumers to try to influence the product for what they see as the better.

[JamieCOTC]

Yes, TIM wanted to control the Reapers, but for what purpose? Human dominance. Shepard controlling the Reapers is completely different due to intent. I would argue that a pro human Shep should have been granted the ability to control the Reapers in order to dominate the galaxy if only for the choice. But as is, Shep controls the Reapers so they would no longer be a threat.

Saren wanted to combine the elements of organics and synthetics in order to placate the Reapers because he was indoctrinated. I doubt Sovereign would have allowed Saren to bring synthesis to the galaxy for the purpose of peace and harmony. Remember, he said, "slavery is preferable to extinction." The geth felt the same way in ME3. Again the difference in Saren's idea of "synthesis" and what Shepard does is intent. Shepard is not trying to appease the Reapers, but end the threat and the cycle once and for all.

With the mass relays destroyed the galaxy now has to grow on its own. Remember Mordin's speech on limitations in ME2? The relays were created by the Reapers (or whatever was controlling the Reapers) and as such was controlling the galaxy and how it evolved. W/out the relays the galaxy must take control of its own destiny or die.

I still have profound problems w/ the ending, but most are superficial. What happened w/ the Normandy is one of the biggest WTFs I've ever encountered in any medium. And the StarGhostKid was a bad idea from the start. The kid haunts Shepard, literally, but in the ending, he just doesn't work. As hard as they tried to make him matter, he didn't. And it's so frustrating because the answer is so clear and right there in front of everybody. If the catalyst had to appear to Shepard in some form, make him Shep's crew, friends and loved ones. But ME3 had to resonate w/ new players as well as old and thus we got the kid. Oh well.

[M8DMAN]

You sound like that paid Game Informer review.

[Axialbloom]

Synthesis is the most EVIL thing ever conceived in a game.

[JamieCOTC]

M8DMAN wrote...

You sound like that paid Game Informer review.

LOL.  I'd like to thank BW for the new X-Box. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 30 avril 2012 - 01:42 .

[Giantdeathrobot]

Good for you, OP.

I personally can't fathom how this ending is ''perfect''. Even if the bit with the Catalyst would be considered such (fogetting the forced choice, illogisms, contrivances, retcons the incredibly unfortunate implications, the scientific impossibilities ect.) what comes after simply cannot be accepted as I see it. The Relays blowing up or not and having different effects then in Arrival because the plot says so. The Normandy's utterly nonsensical flight and the horrendous faux symbolism that comes after (especially if Synthesis is chosen, actually), the Stargazer's out-of-place story (yeah, champ, tell the kid all about people being melted into goo in order to greate giant genocidal machines, she's gonna enjoy it) and of course, icing on the cake, the DLC advert being the final words of the Mass Effect series.

If you find this perfect, then sorry, but I can see why you use the comparison with the Matrix, whose ending was just as nonsensical and horrible. But least it kinda fit the story there, and it had the mercy of killing Trinity in an anticlimatic way rather than leaving her stranded out of nowhere.

[httinks2006]

no , don't worry be happy glad you liked it , though it was horrible and insulting to the fans

[Wabajakka]

Good to know.

So maybe you can tell me all about that closure you got then and wtf exactly happened to everyone. Cause I must of missed it lol.

[Dawson14]

Oh no! He has lost respect for me and all others who hated the ending! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO!?!?!?! We are RUINED!

Give me a break, if you can't see why people dislike the ending you are a simplistic dude who likes cool colored explosions and nothing more. I bet they could have dangled something shiny in the screen for the ending and you would have said "BRILLIANT!"

[GreenDragon37]

Here's the thing... my Shepard is not your Shepard, OK? Once you understand that, we'll talk.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 30 avril 2012 - 03:21 .

[Andrew Bourne]

hosen17 wrote...

So why did you kill Saren in ME1 if you think synthesis is perfect?

Genius. This comment is gold. Synthesis ending=Biggest contradiction in history. Didn't realize it til now. No sarcasm.

[harrier25699]

Andrew Bourne wrote...

hosen17 wrote...

So why did you kill Saren in ME1 if you think synthesis is perfect?

Genius. This comment is gold. Synthesis ending=Biggest contradiction in history. Didn't realize it til now. No sarcasm.

One of quite a few reasons the ending falls flat, I await with bated breath to see how, if at all, BioWare attempts to plug these holes.

[Varus Praetor]

Some people like to get dressed up in vinyl suits and be beaten with whips. There's a market for everything. BW just underestimated the size of the market for their particular brand of "ending."

[TookYoCookies]

Leafs43 wrote...

People like the OP is why I weep for humanity,

To ignorant to critically think, then offended when told to do so,

 

[av196vad]

 People actually enjoyed the plot holes? 

[BigGuy28]

Wow, if synthesis was the perfect choice for your Shepard, your Shepard was a horrible person. Forcing a change on everything in the galaxy and allowing the Reapers to get away with trillions upon trillions of deaths? Yeah some "hero" there.

[Cazychel]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I don't think matters if you believe it or not. Irrelevant quite frankly. You had a forth option of not picking any and turning off the game pretending you stood there and bled to death because you did not trust the VI or AI and since you did not want to pick any of the three choices presented.

That is just silly. Assuming you reach the end for the first time, you are unable to make this train of thought, because you do not yet know that that, what follows your choice, won't fit your intention, expectation or extrapolation. You can pretend it didn't happen, but it still did.

The rule is:

You have watched it, you can't un-watch it.

When we ignore what the game presents to us, of course we can all have our "best" ending.

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Here's the thing... my Shepard is not your Shepard, OK? Once you understand that, we'll talk.

This.

Also:

Aside from good or bad ending, liking or not liking it and such, there were expectations that the game simply didn't meet and these were fueled by Bioware themselves, who made statements about the game that simply were not true. And they were made, when the game was about to be released (February through early March). Yes, marketing blabber is always over the top, of course the game couldn't have "countless" endings - even if it were a hundred variables taken into account. Of course not every bit could affect the ending.

This video collects some of the issues.

This video analyses the flaws on a story telling and presentation level - perhaps the best video on the ending.

Cazy

[GiarcYekrub]

ckriley wrote...

 And that's not sarcasm either.  The ending I chose for my Sheperd made the most sense and wrapped up the series perfectly for me.  I should also mention that my EMS was something like 6100 and my galactic readiness was 90% by the time I got to the final battle due to doing a lot of multiplayer, so I'm not sure if that changed anything.  But I couldn't for the life of me understand what all the bickering was about.

I started a thread on here about a week ago saying I lost all my respect for this community because the ME3 I was playing see,Ed completely different than the one everyone was griping about.  You guys seemed to be hating for the sake of hating.  Everyone that posted in that thread kept saying, "get back to us after you've finished it".  Well, I finished it and I'm here to tell you the ending was outstandng.

I chose e synthesis ending and it was the precise thing mt Sheperd would have done: sacrificing herself for the greater good.  I can only assume those of you complaining never saw The Matrix trilogy, because that is EXACTLY what the synthesis ending was.  Almost to the letter.  

Now, I don't know how the destruction or control endings are, but synthesis made the most sense for me.  And having those last moments with Andersen nearly brought me to tears.  Seriously.  And that's embarrassing to admit. Yes, there was definitely some vagueness to it.  And yes, I would like to know what became of my companions and the universe at large, but that's what the EC is for.

So, I stand by what I said.  I've lost all respect for this community.  The amount of hatred being heaped on the game just doesn't match the game I played.  Was it perfect?  No.  We're there things that bugged me?  Yes.  But did I find the game fun, exciting, and emotionally moving?  Absolutely.  In fact I was hoping BW didn't try to wrap everything up all nice and tidy at the end.  There HADto be loss.  The reapers were too massive for there not to be.
2. So. Thank you BioWare for this experience. I'm on my second play through and I can't wait to play it again.  Bravo!

I'm with you, I see nothing wrong with the current ending

[Aylyese]

ckriley wrote...

 And that's not sarcasm either.  The ending I chose for my Sheperd made the most sense and wrapped up the series perfectly for me.  I should also mention that my EMS was something like 6100 and my galactic readiness was 90% by the time I got to the final battle due to doing a lot of multiplayer, so I'm not sure if that changed anything.  But I couldn't for the life of me understand what all the bickering was about.

I started a thread on here about a week ago saying I lost all my respect for this community because the ME3 I was playing see,Ed completely different than the one everyone was griping about.  You guys seemed to be hating for the sake of hating.  Everyone that posted in that thread kept saying, "get back to us after you've finished it".  Well, I finished it and I'm here to tell you the ending was outstandng.

I chose e synthesis ending and it was the precise thing mt Sheperd would have done: sacrificing herself for the greater good.  I can only assume those of you complaining never saw The Matrix trilogy, because that is EXACTLY what the synthesis ending was.  Almost to the letter.  

Now, I don't know how the destruction or control endings are, but synthesis made the most sense for me.  And having those last moments with Andersen nearly brought me to tears.  Seriously.  And that's embarrassing to admit. Yes, there was definitely some vagueness to it.  And yes, I would like to know what became of my companions and the universe at large, but that's what the EC is for.

So, I stand by what I said.  I've lost all respect for this community.  The amount of hatred being heaped on the game just doesn't match the game I played.  Was it perfect?  No.  We're there things that bugged me?  Yes.  But did I find the game fun, exciting, and emotionally moving?  Absolutely.  In fact I was hoping BW didn't try to wrap everything up all nice and tidy at the end.  There HADto be loss.  The reapers were too massive for there not to be.
2. So. Thank you BioWare for this experience. I'm on my second play through and I can't wait to play it again.  Bravo!

Glad you enjoyed it, however my Shepard would not mess around with the DNA of an entire galaxy, sacrificing diversity and individuality for as an easy out of a war. She would stand and fight. 

Sacraficing is not the problem. My Shepard would sit on harbingers head with a 30 kiloton nuke and happily detonate it strapped to their back so long as they were taking a reaper with them. 

But while you have no problem with basically forcing every species in the universe to give up that which makes them proudly taurian/asari/batarian/elcor/volus/human/geth/etc -more power to you -  I spent 2.9 games preaching about strength in diversity... 

Synthesis is just wholesale racism with green fireworks. That anyone can defend that makes me lose respect for the community.

Modifié par Aylyese, 30 avril 2012 - 09:37 .