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[Aldaris951]

Can we PLEASE for the love of the maker have a mentor type character not die for once, I loved Jade empire and I loved the twist with Master Li, But to avoid spoilers you know why I wont count that as an example. In Dragon age Origins we had wynne as a mentor type character that didnt die, Then DAVID GAIDER comes along with his new book and.... Gah no spoilers, I swear he hates mentor type characters. Look at mass effect, Anderson was a mentor for all 3 games and you felt such a connection to him, He was like shepards father. Just like how some people felt a connection with Duncan.

In dragon age 2 I honestly think it would of been better if Hawks father was there instead of his mother.

And yes incase anyone is wondering, I got Daddy issues. Jk lol.

Not much to discuss I guess, Its late at night here and im just posting because im drunk. Hf all.

[andar91]

I know it wasn't technically a Bioware game, but KOTOR 2 had Kreia, and she's one of my favorite video game characters ever. I absolutely loved interacting with her. Well, the whole game was great, but she was especially great. It is neat when there are characters with stuff to teach you or counsel you. It made the revelations about her character all the more interesting.

Then again, you could argue that Wynne filled this role and she survivied for the game.

[Amycus89]

 "
Then again, you could argue that Wynne filled this role and she survivied for the game."

What? Oh, you didn't kill her then?

[LolaLei]

Oh man, I screamed the place down over Master Li and Anderson! So cruel.

[schalafi]

I was really angry what happened to Zu in Jade Empire. I'd had him as my npc, and mentor for almost the whole game, and I what they did to him was just plain cruel. Why couldn't it have been Sky instead?

Modifié par schalafi, 30 avril 2012 - 12:00 .

[LolaLei]

I was gutted about Zu too, I wanted to romance him lol.

[Massakkolia]

Aldaris951 wrote...

In Dragon age Origins we had wynne as a mentor type character that didnt die, Then DAVID GAIDER comes along with his new book and.... Gah no spoilers, I swear he hates mentor type characters. 

Ah yes, you cleverly avoided spoiling the book. Well concealed indeed.

That being said, I enjoy mentor characters and family members. I'd rather keep them alive and around till the end of the game or at least give them a good profound character arc before doing them in.

[Sejborg]

Amycus89 wrote...

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Then again, you could argue that Wynne filled this role and she survivied for the game."

What? Oh, you didn't kill her then?

I hated the way Wynne would talk down to me. I could not roleplay a mature character who knew about the world if I were to interact with Wynne. Therefore I always ended up having her killed after my first playthrough. 

OT
Once I would have liked Flemeth to be a sort of mentor character for the PC, but that was before she had an extreme makeover. 

[Aldaris951]

I really like Flemeths new look, It makes her look dangerous.

[gonzalez.melissa53]

Wynne was dead in DA:O... wasn't her spirt friend the only thing keeping her with us so to speak? When I saw her in Awakening I was shocked as sh$%. I honestly thought she was following Shale off somewhere to die, for real this time LOL. I love Wynne don't get me wrong but there is alot to be said for killing off the beloved mentor types. It inspires emotion and forces our player to stop leaning on them. How many times during one of the DA games did you make a dission based on what one of you favorite/romaced follower would think? (Alistare is grinning evily somewhere in the nether.) I sobbed like a baby when Hawkes mom died. And the way it was done! Horrific!!! But that's a good rpg for you. It sucks you in and stirs your guts. Can't all be puppy rainbow farts...
Just saying.

[Sylvanpyxie]

Schalafi wrote:
I think what they did to Zu was just plain cruel.

Zu was looking for redemption and he wasn't going to find it until he sacrificed all that he had to finally undo all the damage the Lotus Assassins did to the world.

His sacrifice was noble, it was also the redemption he'd been searching for since he left the Lotus. If he hadn't done what he did, he still wouldn't have believed anything he did was enough and he still would have continued to torture himself over his past.

Zu's end was tragic. But it was what made him such a beautiful character.

This can be applied to any Bioware mentor that has been sacrificed. Their sacrifices, and the tragedy that goes with it, are what make them beautiful characters..... Though personally? Zu is the only Bioware "mentor" that has ever struck a chord with me.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 30 avril 2012 - 03:35 .

[Rorschachinstein]

You can't have an Obi-Wan without him kicking the bucket heroically

[Curlain]

andar91 wrote...

I know it wasn't technically a Bioware game, but KOTOR 2 had Kreia, and she's one of my favorite video game characters ever. I absolutely loved interacting with her. Well, the whole game was great, but she was especially great. It is neat when there are characters with stuff to teach you or counsel you. It made the revelations about her character all the more interesting.

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Agreed, Kreia is one of my favourite npcs characters of all time, Obsidian did such a great job with her.  Flemeth is a pale shadow to the complex character Kreia was, just a shame the game is incomplete without mods restoring content.

In the case of Obi-Wan, well he died, but become in theory 'more powerful then you (Vader) could possibly imagine', and stuck around in Force spirit mode through the trilogy, so he never really went.

Modifié par Curlain, 30 avril 2012 - 09:28 .

[AkiKishi]

andar91 wrote...

I know it wasn't technically a Bioware game, but KOTOR 2 had Kreia, and she's one of my favorite video game characters ever. I absolutely loved interacting with her. Well, the whole game was great, but she was especially great. It is neat when there are characters with stuff to teach you or counsel you. It made the revelations about her character all the more interesting.

Then again, you could argue that Wynne filled this role and she survivied for the game.

Kreia and Ravel are two of the best written characters ever.

You can do an "obi wan" witout them dying. Auron in FFX at the start makes Tidus look like a wuss, but when he rejoins the party much later in the game, they are closer in ability. You just need them to walk the character through the learning phase, go off and do their own thing and then find them later.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 30 avril 2012 - 09:22 .

[schalafi]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

Schalafi wrote:
I think what they did to Zu was just plain cruel.

Zu was looking for redemption and he wasn't going to find it until he sacrificed all that he had to finally undo all the damage the Lotus Assassins did to the world.

His sacrifice was noble, it was also the redemption he'd been searching for since he left the Lotus. If he hadn't done what he did, he still wouldn't have believed anything he did was enough and he still would have continued to torture himself over his past.

Zu's end was tragic. But it was what made him such a beautiful character.

This can be applied to any Bioware mentor that has been sacrificed. Their sacrifices, and the tragedy that goes with it, are what make them beautiful characters..... Though personally? Zu is the only Bioware "mentor" that has ever struck a chord with me.

I can agree with your take on this, even though I really find killing off good npcs hard to take.
The thing that really p***ed me off was that he wasn't even mentioned in the epilogue.

Modifié par schalafi, 30 avril 2012 - 04:31 .

[hoorayforicecream]

The [mentor] in one of SWTOR's republic classes doesn't die. Not that the [class]'s story is particularly awesome, but saving the mentor is a critical point to the story rather early on.

Edit: Apologies for spoiling.

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 30 avril 2012 - 09:16 .

[FieryDove]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

XXXXXXX doesn't XXX. Not that the Consular's story is particularly awesome, but saving the mentor is a critical point to the story rather early on.

No! I haven't finished that storyline yet!

Zu was one of my favs...I really hope to see someone like him again.

[mousestalker]

Racer X is Darth Vader's father.

Sorry for the spoilers.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Voldemort marries Dumbledore.

[Dakota Strider]

Duncan dying because of Loghain's treachery, made killing Loghain that much sweeter.

[Zanallen]

Technically, Wynne, much like Auron, was already dead when she attained her mentor position.

[TEWR]

Aldaris951 wrote...

I really like Flemeths new look, It makes her look dangerous.

Flemeth's "whisper in the shadows" comment made me think of her as Darkwing Duck.

Your comment reinforced that.

Zanallen wrote...

Technically, Wynne, much like Auron, was already dead when she attained her mentor position.

We need someone with the sheer badassery of Auron to be in DA. Or someone like Auron.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 30 avril 2012 - 10:13 .