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[spiriticon]

This was stated by Weekes in a fan interview at PAX no?

Why do people keep stating that the the relays exploded in a supernova killing everyone in the galaxy? I can accept that interpretation before the clarification, but now we know that is not the case at all. A BioWare writer has already told you what BioWare's canon interpretation is.

[Aaleel]

They can retcon all they want.



But I know what I saw, and I know what everything in the game points to.

[arial]

people think they went Supernova because of what happened in Arrival. but that relay did not go super-nova simply because it was destroyed, but because of the conditions in which it was destroyed.

but dont try and tell this to the anti-end people, they are continuously looking for plot-holes where there are none.

[Unholyknight800]

Don't bring it up again.

[arial]

Aaleel wrote...

They can retcon all they want.



But I know what I saw, and I know what everything in the game points to.

like i say about 8times a week, the Alpha relay in Arrival did not go super-nova simply because it was destroyed, but because of the conditions from which it was destroyed

[LucasShark]

*cough* asspull *cough*

[LucasShark]

arial wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

They can retcon all they want.



But I know what I saw, and I know what everything in the game points to.

like i say about 8times a week, the Alpha relay in Arrival did not go super-nova simply because it was destroyed, but because of the conditions from which it was destroyed

According to in-game dialogue: the cause of the explosion is because "they are the most powerful mass effect engines in existance", in other words: the disrupting of the forces they balance IS the cause of the "nova" scale explosion.  Collapsing a bottle of anti-matter causes an annihlation event no matter the "situation" in which it is done.  And before you jump on that: that was an analogy.

[Provo_101]

arial wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

They can retcon all they want.



But I know what I saw, and I know what everything in the game points to.

like i say about 8times a week, the Alpha relay in Arrival did not go super-nova simply because it was destroyed, but because of the conditions from which it was destroyed

Please, grant us your omniscient knowledge of the Mass Effect universe, in which you throw established prior events out the window, while having no evidence supporting your claims against said established prior events.

Oh, blessed one.

[Provo_101]

LucasShark wrote...

According to in-game dialogue: the cause of the explosion is because "they are the most powerful mass effect engines in existance", in other words: the disrupting of the forces they balance IS the cause of the "nova" scale explosion.  Collapsing a bottle of anti-matter causes an annihlation event no matter the "situation" in which it is done.  And before you jump on that: that was an analogy.

Thank you, sir.

[Norman250]

arial wrote...

people think they went Supernova because of what happened in Arrival. but that relay did not go super-nova simply because it was destroyed, but because of the conditions in which it was destroyed.

but dont try and tell this to the anti-end people, they are continuously looking for plot-holes where there are none.

This is exactly right. The relay didn't supernova because it was hit by an asteroid, it supernova'd because the asteroid knocked the frame out of shape, releasing the Eezo core, causing an insanely huge explosion. The one at the end of Mass Effect 3 just deactivates the relay, it doesn't overload and destroy the entire frame, releasing the Eezo core....oh, wait...

[Calibrations Expert]

Provo_101 wrote...

arial wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

They can retcon all they want.



But I know what I saw, and I know what everything in the game points to.

like i say about 8times a week, the Alpha relay in Arrival did not go super-nova simply because it was destroyed, but because of the conditions from which it was destroyed

Please, grant us your omniscient knowledge of the Mass Effect universe, in which you throw established prior events out the window, while having no evidence supporting your claims against said established prior events.

Oh, blessed one.

Except the blessed one is Bioware, who creates entire galaxies, then ignores what it had created in the last 5 seconds because it ran out of money.

The whole point of arrival is to show what happens when a relay is destroyed. You destroy a relay, everyone dies.

Modifié par Calibrations Expert, 29 avril 2012 - 11:41 .

[LucasShark]

Norman250 wrote...

arial wrote...

people think they went Supernova because of what happened in Arrival. but that relay did not go super-nova simply because it was destroyed, but because of the conditions in which it was destroyed.

but dont try and tell this to the anti-end people, they are continuously looking for plot-holes where there are none.

This is exactly right. The relay didn't supernova because it was hit by an asteroid, it supernova'd because the asteroid knocked the frame out of shape, releasing the Eezo core, causing an insanely huge explosion. The one at the end of Mass Effect 3 just deactivates the relay, it doesn't overload and destroy the entire frame, releasing the Eezo core....oh, wait...

Yeah... that bit flying by the camera doesn't look damaged at all...

[spiriticon]

So some of us rather believe our own interpretation than what BioWare writers are actually telling us about the official interpretation on it?

I don't get it. The writers are already telling us a supernova didn't happen, so a supernova didn't happen.

[spiriticon]

Anyway I'm almost 100% certain the cinematics of the relay looking like it exploded will be removed in EC. Just a hunch.

[DubVee12]

People continue to believe it because it justifies hatred of the ending.

[Provo_101]

Calibrations Expert wrote...

Except the blessed one is Bioware, who creates entire galaxies, then ignores what it had created in the last 5 seconds because it ran out of money.

The whole point of arrival is to show what happens when a relay is destroyed. You destroy a relay, everyone dies.

Oh I never said it wasn't. I'm not on the "they only 'overloaded' guise, srsly" boat. I'm still on my semi-indoc theory headcanon boat.

I DO wanna see how Bioware handles this though.

And then I shall laugh. 

Modifié par Provo_101, 29 avril 2012 - 11:45 .

[Unholyknight800]

I reject ME 2 and 3 now. =D

[ZeroSum7]

Well they did show them exploding and coming apart... so it doesn't seem like it simply overloaded.

[LucasShark]

spiriticon wrote...

So some of us rather believe our own interpretation than what BioWare writers are actually telling us about the official interpretation on it?

I don't get it. The writers are already telling us a supernova didn't happen, so a supernova didn't happen.

If a writer tells you: EVERY time these two materials interact with eachother, they cause a massive explosion, 100 percent of the time, no exceptions!

And then the next minute: the heroes are riding in a boat made from the two materials welded togeather.

You aren't going to take issue with that?  That is called TERRIBLE WRITING.

[DJBare]

spiriticon wrote...

So some of us rather believe our own interpretation than what BioWare writers are actually telling us about the official interpretation on it?

I don't get it. The writers are already telling us a supernova didn't happen, so a supernova didn't happen.

Yeah, that's what they call a retconn after establishing the destruction of a relay will wipe out a system.

[Norman250]

spiriticon wrote...

Anyway I'm almost 100% certain the cinematics of the relay looking like it exploded will be removed in EC. Just a hunch.

Agreed. I personally thought the Galaxy was wiped out, but obviously I respect that that isn't so now that Bioware says it isn't, but I certainly hope they do something like ^ or something similar to explain why utterly blowing up the fragile Eezo core doesn't react in a complete meltdown of the Eezo core. 

[arial]

DubVee12 wrote...

People continue to believe it because it justifies hatred of the ending.

^^^

[LucasShark]

DubVee12 wrote...

People continue to believe it because it justifies hatred of the ending.

No: the endings justify hatred of themselves, for they are terrible.

[Norman250]

arial wrote...

DubVee12 wrote...

People continue to believe it because it justifies hatred of the ending.

^^^

This isn't really true, though. They depict the relay being ripped apart, releasing the Eezo core, which the dialogue in Arrival specifically say is the cause of the Supernova, releasing said core. If you played Arrival, or have any basic understanding of ME Lore, your first thought would be, "Holy crap, did I just blow up Earth, Rannoch, Tunchaka, etc.?" 
I'm willing to believe their "Oh, it didn't blow up the Galaxy!" story, but that doesn't make it not bad writing. 

[DJBare]

It would have been better if they'd gone with all mass effect technology was disabled, but they wanted sploshuns and they needed to keep the ships functioning.