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[spiriticon]

LucasShark wrote...

spiriticon wrote...

So some of us rather believe our own interpretation than what BioWare writers are actually telling us about the official interpretation on it?

I don't get it. The writers are already telling us a supernova didn't happen, so a supernova didn't happen.

If a writer tells you: EVERY time these two materials interact with eachother, they cause a massive explosion, 100 percent of the time, no exceptions!

And then the next minute: the heroes are riding in a boat made from the two materials welded togeather.

You aren't going to take issue with that?  That is called TERRIBLE WRITING.

I rather call it terrible thought out cinematics. This great big ball of blue/red/green looks more like an EMP type pulse to me. If it were an explosion it would have killed everything on earth, even at higher EMS.

[zovoes]

spiriticon wrote...

So some of us rather believe our own interpretation than what BioWare writers are actually telling us about the official interpretation on it?

I don't get it. The writers are already telling us a supernova didn't happen, so a supernova didn't happen.

its called a retcon a.k.a asspull. the backlash from them buring the galaxy was just that big and if they are to be taken a face value they never saw it coming so yeah. the ment to blow it all up its just that we are not taking that in any way so they are retconing it, yet to see how so to me they still blew up. if i see a good way of them (e.g. bioware not a fan with their head connon) saying that they don't go nova in the EC then i will take that.

[Aaleel]

spiriticon wrote...

So some of us rather believe our own interpretation than what BioWare writers are actually telling us about the official interpretation on it?

I don't get it. The writers are already telling us a supernova didn't happen, so a supernova didn't happen.

It's called a retcon.  But what happened, happened.  I don't really care if they retcon the entire thing including the boy.  But don't sit here and tell me I didn't see what obviously happened, and is stated would happen in the lore.

[DubVee12]

LucasShark wrote...

DubVee12 wrote...

People continue to believe it because it justifies hatred of the ending.

No: the endings justify hatred of themselves, for they are terrible.

Ah, perhaps I should clarify:

People continue to believe it because they it adds more justification to their hatred of the ending.

[Provo_101]

spiriticon wrote...

I rather call it terrible thought out cinematics. This great big ball of blue/red/green looks more like an EMP type pulse to me. If it were an explosion it would have killed everything on earth, even at higher EMS.

Really?! That huge fireball on the last page looks like a PULSE to you!?

Modifié par Provo_101, 29 avril 2012 - 11:52 .

[LucasShark]

DJBare wrote...

It would have been better if they'd gone with all mass effect technology was disabled, but they wanted sploshuns and they needed to keep the ships functioning.

They don't even do that right: because Normandy is destroyed/disabled, calling into question whether anyone aboard a ship is safe.

[LucasShark]

Provo_101 wrote...

spiriticon wrote...

I rather call it terrible thought out cinematics. This great big ball of blue/red/green looks more like an EMP type pulse to me. If it were an explosion it would have killed everything on earth, even at higher EMS.

Really?! That huge fireball on the last page looks like a PULSE to you!?

Contrary to popular belief: most EM radiation is invisable... save the kind we see with.

[DJBare]

LucasShark wrote...

DJBare wrote...

It would have been better if they'd gone with all mass effect technology was disabled, but they wanted sploshuns and they needed to keep the ships functioning.

They don't even do that right: because Normandy is destroyed/disabled, calling into question whether anyone aboard a ship is safe.

Yeah, gotta love the thrusters being obliterated and the ship making a safe atmospheric re-entry let alone landing.

Modifié par DJBare, 29 avril 2012 - 11:56 .

[Arken]

The problem isn't that the Mass Relays were destroyed. It's that they exploded.

An explosion implies the release of energy, and we know that energy being released from a Mass Relay causes a Super Nova explosion.

You cannon logically explain why the Mass Relay released energy, but did not destroy the solar system.

It's just a retcon/asspull.

It was just a stupid choice to have them explode when it would only cause issues.

This is because the creators prefer "Rule of Cool" over actual logic.

If they want the Mass Relays to be destroyed peacefully, then there shouldn't be an explosion. If a nuclear bomb explodes, it's going to kill anything in its radius. It doesn't matter how you trigger the explosion.

The Mass Relays should have just deactivated, and fallen apart without actually exploding.

Aaleel wrote...

Because this, makes no sense.

I know an asspull when I see one. And this one should have destroyed the entire galaxy due it's sheer stupidity.

[spiriticon]

Aaleel wrote...

It's called a retcon.  But what happened,
happened.  I don't really care if they retcon the entire thing including
the boy.  But don't sit here and tell me I didn't see what obviously
happened, and is stated would happen in the lore.

Since they didn't explicitly show you the destruction of the entire galaxy with cinematics of Tuchanka and Rannoch and Thessia going up in flames, they can't retcon it because there is nothing to retcon.

All they had to tell you was "It didn't go supernova, stop thinking it did." Which they have already done.

Modifié par spiriticon, 29 avril 2012 - 11:59 .

[Aaleel]

DJBare wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

DJBare wrote...

It would have been better if they'd gone with all mass effect technology was disabled, but they wanted sploshuns and they needed to keep the ships functioning.

They don't even do that right: because Normandy is destroyed/disabled, calling into question whether anyone aboard a ship is safe.

Yeah, gotta love the thrusters being obliterated and the ship make a safe orbital re-entry let alone landing.

A complete vertical landing at that, straight down between large rock formations, with no trees around the ship being disturbed.

[spiriticon]

Provo_101 wrote...

spiriticon wrote...

I rather call it terrible thought out cinematics. This great big ball of blue/red/green looks more like an EMP type pulse to me. If it were an explosion it would have killed everything on earth, even at higher EMS.

Really?! That huge fireball on the last page looks like a PULSE to you!?

Its the same with blue or green! Ever seen a green fireball???

[Creepter]

To be fair, we only know that the Universe didn't blow up because Bioware had to come out and tell us ("You didn't understand it, fanbase? Idiots. While you were still learning to SPELL YOUR NAME.... we... were WRITING ART!").
They gave us no reason to expect that the Relays simply overloaded and shut down, they showed them EXPLODING.

They could've avoided that issue by adding two different lines in the ending:
Shepard: I saw a Relay deactivate once. It wasn't pretty...
Jar Jar StarSh*t: No. The signal will simply shut the Relays down. They will cease to be.
...and it would've made slightly more sense.

Most people probably assumed that the Universe didn't blow up, it was just written so extremely bad. AND you can't get avoid from the fact that the only isntance we saw of the Relays shutting down drastically was in Arrival. It went apart violently, just as they did in the ending.



And no one told the animation department. Seriously. If you want to make it clear that they are simply overloading, not going super nova, then you DO NOT CREATE THIS IMAGE:

Aaleel wrote...




.

This is blowing up, not overloading. You see it go apart. Lazily animated, poorly written.
If I want to overload the fuse box in my basement then I don't shoot it with a rocket launcher.

[Pelle6666]

In case you missed it; IT FUKKING EXPLODED!

[Provo_101]

LucasShark wrote...

Provo_101 wrote...

spiriticon wrote...

I rather call it terrible thought out cinematics. This great big ball of blue/red/green looks more like an EMP type pulse to me. If it were an explosion it would have killed everything on earth, even at higher EMS.

Really?! That huge fireball on the last page looks like a PULSE to you!?

Contrary to popular belief: most EM radiation is invisable... save the kind we see with.

The explosions don't make sense anyway

[zovoes]

DJBare wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

DJBare wrote...

It would have been better if they'd gone with all mass effect technology was disabled, but they wanted sploshuns and they needed to keep the ships functioning.

They don't even do that right: because Normandy is destroyed/disabled, calling into question whether anyone aboard a ship is safe.

Yeah, gotta love the thrusters being obliterated and the ship making a safe atmospheric re-entry let alone landing.

the citadel seems to have slamed into earth just fine so why not Normandy <_<   every time i see that and shep's breth i just want to punch something.

[spiriticon]

I agree with the terribly thought out cinematics. Have already stated that in a previous post.

All I'm saying is that now that the writers have said that it hasn't blown up the universe, people should probably stop using that line as it no longer makes sense in any argument about the ending.

It's almost like still insisting the Earth was flat.

Modifié par spiriticon, 30 avril 2012 - 12:04 .

[Pottumuusi]

Nagasaki was just overloaded.

[LucasShark]

spiriticon wrote...

Provo_101 wrote...

spiriticon wrote...

I rather call it terrible thought out cinematics. This great big ball of blue/red/green looks more like an EMP type pulse to me. If it were an explosion it would have killed everything on earth, even at higher EMS.

Really?! That huge fireball on the last page looks like a PULSE to you!?

Its the same with blue or green! Ever seen a green fireball???

Yes actually, blue ones too: it all has to do with what is "exploding/combusting", see fireworks if you don't believe me.

[Aaleel]

zovoes wrote...
the citadel seems to have slamed into earth just fine so why not Normandy <_<   every time i see that and shep's breth i just want to punch something.

Even more nonsense they'll have to explain.



That big explosion starting would have been right where Shepard was.  I almost had to chain myself to the desk to watch this again so I could screenshot some of this.

[Greed1914]

I'm willing to accept that the destruction here was different than what happened in Arrival since the cause was different, however that still doesn't really excuse that we were left to figure that out on our own in the the rush-job that was the ending. Leaving certain things for the audience to discern is ok in certain circumstance, but you can't go from cataclysm to no problem without setting it up at least a little bit.

[DJBare]

spiriticon wrote...

I agree with the terribly thought out cinematics. Have already stated that in a previous post.

All I'm saying is that now that the writers have said that it hasn't blown up the universe, people should probably stop using that line as it no longer makes sense in any argument about the ending.

It's almost like still insisting the Earth was flat.

Bad anology since the earth was never flat, but a relay did take out an entire system.

[Sousabird]

hitting a relay and having them all shut down and then detonate in a controlled manner are two very different ideas

[arial]

Aaleel wrote...

zovoes wrote...
the citadel seems to have slamed into earth just fine so why not Normandy <_<   every time i see that and shep's breth i just want to punch something.

Even more nonsense they'll have to explain.



That big explosion starting would have been right where Shepard was.  I almost had to chain myself to the desk to watch this again so I could screenshot some of this.

it was not an explosion, it was an energy wave, we see on earth it hit and everyone is standing there unijured, if it was an explosion that scene would see all the ground forces combusting

[ShepnTali]

DubVee12 wrote...

People continue to believe it because it justifies hatred of the ending.

It doesn't work that way. People want to love, like, or be ok with the ending. They didn't spend money to be disappointed. Common sense.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 30 avril 2012 - 12:12 .