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[DJBare]

arial wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

zovoes wrote...
the citadel seems to have slamed into earth just fine so why not Normandy <_<   every time i see that and shep's breth i just want to punch something.

Even more nonsense they'll have to explain.



That big explosion starting would have been right where Shepard was.  I almost had to chain myself to the desk to watch this again so I could screenshot some of this.

it was not an explosion, it was an energy wave, we see on earth it hit and everyone is standing there unijured, if it was an explosion that scene would see all the ground forces combusting

Huh, that's an explosion, you even see the arms breaking off if you look closely in the cut scene.

[Aaleel]

arial wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

zovoes wrote...
the citadel seems to have slamed into earth just fine so why not Normandy <_<   every time i see that and shep's breth i just want to punch something.

Even more nonsense they'll have to explain.



That big explosion starting would have been right where Shepard was.  I almost had to chain myself to the desk to watch this again so I could screenshot some of this.

it was not an explosion, it was an energy wave, we see on earth it hit and everyone is standing there unijured, if it was an explosion that scene would see all the ground forces combusting

You might want to go watch the ending again.  The crucible lets out an energy wave and they show the scene on Earth.

THEN the citadel (A relay itself) fires the first beam, and starts to explode (shown above) and the daisy chain continues and each relay explodes in turn.  The scene you speak of occured before the scene above. 

[spiriticon]

LucasShark wrote...


Yes actually, blue ones too: it all has to do with what is "exploding/combusting", see fireworks if you don't believe me.

This is true. Alhough that 'explosion wave' wasn't killing anything on earth, be it reaper or soldier. I'm not convinced it was a traditional explosion but I don't want to go into too much space magic arguments here since it's pointless speculation.

Modifié par spiriticon, 30 avril 2012 - 12:26 .

[sistersafetypin]

A bunch of devs have said a lot of things since the game came out. But in game lore says when a Mass Relay is destroyed, it annihilates whatever system it's in. And what does Vent Boy say? "The Mass Relays will be destroyed." You can literally see the effects of this via the CIC.

However, people are willing to believe anything if it supports their idea that Bioware didn't just turn the world of Mass Effect into a wasteland*

*Mac Walters reason, on why future ME games would be held before ME3? Because who wants to play a game set in a wasteland

[OH-UP-THIS!]

arial wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

They can retcon all they want.



But I know what I saw, and I know what everything in the game points to.

like i say about 8times a week, the Alpha relay in Arrival did not go super-nova simply because it was destroyed, but because of the conditions from which it was destroyed

Retcon it all you want, YOU aren't going to change the opinion of thousands, simply because you want it so.
regardless of how many times you say it, that won't change what we know.
Because the only ones who can change this, ARE NOT GIVING ONE DAMN BIT OF FARKING INPUT!!!!!!!!!!!

F**K TWITHEADS, they're not worth my time!!!!  F***BOOK either, total waste of internet space/time.

[dreamgazer]

I firmly believe that it's what they intended; however, "overloaded" isn't what played out on-screen. Fiery explosions plus talk of "destroy" from the catalyst leads away from that interpretation. Can easily be fixed, though.

[arial]

DJBare wrote...

arial wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

zovoes wrote...
the citadel seems to have slamed into earth just fine so why not Normandy <_<   every time i see that and shep's breth i just want to punch something.

Even more nonsense they'll have to explain.



That big explosion starting would have been right where Shepard was.  I almost had to chain myself to the desk to watch this again so I could screenshot some of this.

it was not an explosion, it was an energy wave, we see on earth it hit and everyone is standing there unijured, if it was an explosion that scene would see all the ground forces combusting

Huh, that's an explosion, you even see the arms breaking off if you look closely in the cut scene.

there is a diffrence between breaking off, and falling apart

[dreamgazer]

Double post, apologies.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 30 avril 2012 - 12:15 .

[DJBare]

arial wrote...

DJBare wrote...

arial wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

zovoes wrote...
the citadel seems to have slamed into earth just fine so why not Normandy <_<   every time i see that and shep's breth i just want to punch something.

Even more nonsense they'll have to explain.



That big explosion starting would have been right where Shepard was.  I almost had to chain myself to the desk to watch this again so I could screenshot some of this.

it was not an explosion, it was an energy wave, we see on earth it hit and everyone is standing there unijured, if it was an explosion that scene would see all the ground forces combusting

Huh, that's an explosion, you even see the arms breaking off if you look closely in the cut scene.

there is a diffrence between breaking off, and falling apart

Yeah, right, here you go www.youtube.com/watch

[spiriticon]

ohupthis wrote...

[/i]Retcon it all you want, YOU aren't going to change the opinion of thousands, simply because you want it so.
regardless of how many times you say it, that won't change what we know.
Because the only ones who can change this, ARE NOT GIVING ONE DAMN BIT OF FARKING INPUT!!!!!!!!!!!

F**K TWITHEADS, they're not worth my time!!!!  F***BOOK either, total waste of internet space/time.

Er they have. AND THEY TOLD YOU IT HASN'T GONE SUPERNOVA. SO WHY ARE WE STILL WASTING TIME WITH THIS ARGUMENT?

ugh.

[Provo_101]

arial wrote...

there is a diffrence between breaking off, and falling apart

Oh, so the Citadel can now detach parts of itself on purpose?

It fell apart. Unless you would like to regail us with another asspull.

[spiriticon]

DJBare wrote...

Bad anology since the earth was never flat, but a relay did take out an entire system.

Well the point/analogy I was trying to make was that the Earth has been proven to not be flat, so people should stop arguing that it is still flat because they believe it to be.

Modifié par spiriticon, 30 avril 2012 - 12:20 .

[DJBare]

spiriticon wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Bad anology since the earth was never flat, but a relay did take out an entire system.

Well the point/analogy I was trying to make was that the Earth has been proven to not be flat, so people should stop arguing that it is still flat because they believe it to be.

I think I'm going to real sad when the EC is released, one way or the other it will answer questions then this fun debate will be over, the forum will return to normal operations.

I'd personally like to thank Bioware for the controversial endings, it's made this forum so much more interesting.

Modifié par DJBare, 30 avril 2012 - 12:25 .

[LucasShark]

Sousabird wrote...

hitting a relay and having them all shut down and then detonate in a controlled manner are two very different ideas

Not really:
A) that doesn't look very controlled
not if the source of the explosion is the release/inbalancing of the core of the thing: which, as Arrival states, it is.

[sistersafetypin]

LucasShark wrote...

Sousabird wrote...

hitting a relay and having them all shut down and then detonate in a controlled manner are two very different ideas

Not really:
A) that doesn't look very controlled
not if the source of the explosion is the release/inbalancing of the core of the thing: which, as Arrival states, it is.

C. No where in game do they say that the Relays will be destroyed in a "controlled" manner.
D. No where in game do they say the Relays will merely be "deactivated."

[spiriticon]

Opsrbest wrote...

spiriticon wrote...

This was stated by Weekes in a fan interview at PAX no?

Why do people keep stating that the the relays exploded in a supernova killing everyone in the galaxy? I can accept that interpretation before the clarification, but now we know that is not the case at all. A BioWare writer has already told you what BioWare's canon interpretation is.

People keep stating it because it's not clearly defined.

- the citadel is a relay.
- the citadel releases the first ball of energy that affects earth. if you don't get the low ems rating and humans survive then the energy isn't a result of an overload or super nova effect that destroy's organic life. If you do have a low EMS good job on completing the Reapers goal for them.
- the crusible releases the energy of the citadel in a secondary manner.
- every relay that comes into contact with that energy builds up and releases that energy. the resulting feedback, which occurs with all matter that goes through the relays, causes a backlash of energy that destroy's the relays.
- the energy is then dispearsed through out the galaxy.

- what is assumed is that because the arrival relay is destroyed and has no release of this energy as the mass effect field itself attempts to envelope the asteroid, which is a small planet size, and goes supernova that the destruction of the relay's will always result in a supernova cascade and ultimate catastrophic release of energy. it's not wrong to think this, but it's also not right.

the key component to the relay's is that all matter or objects that pass through the relay create an initial charge of energy that the relay has to disperse(darkmatter stuff etc). the movement of this energy is noted on the little windows. it takes special care to notice this when watching the ending. after the initial contact with the relay, as well as after the citadel releases the energy beam, you see an explosion. that explosion then results in the relays home system being hit by the energy it releases in a secondary manner.

this is where the energy issue of the relays comes into effect. also where you really have to be looking and paying attention to notice what the relay's do.

and i mean really paying attention, slow motion viewing if capable is great for this.

anyways, as the relay has finished releasing the energy you see an energy pulse or ring on the lowest portion of the arms on the relay. as it reaches the end of discharge there is an explosion that then cascades back up the arms to the centerfuge of the relay and cause a prolifc explosion. and you get the big energy ball release.

the question that isn't answered is: how much energy is in the relay after the discharge. one would assume that it would be negligable as the energy would have no opportunity to recharge and the resulting release of the energy  would in no way be signifigant enough to be related to the relay explosion in arrival.

but no one knows.

Nice post....

[Leafs43]

Super nova or not, the galaxy is screwed.


No amount of retconning FTL speeds fixes what happened with the mass relays.


The franchise is ruined.

[Mcfly616]

Aaleel wrote...

They can retcon all they want.



But I know what I saw, and I know what everything in the game points to.

This....

People who really try to say that they were "overloaded", are in some serious denial.....I know what my eyes saw....besides the fact that they had a close up of the relays exploding, it zoomed out to a galaxy wide view showing literally how massive the explosions were.....this is just as ridiculous as people saying the Citadel didn't explode....yeah I saw that sucker crumbling to pieces....you cant tell me anything different. I know what I saw

[Ryuukishi]

I'll accept whatever the Extended Cut puts forth as canon. But in the existing ending that we have now, it looks an awful lot like a giant explosion. And the ONLY reference we have within the series for an exploding relay is Arrival. It's not a 100% slam dunk that it always causes a supernova, but there is NO good in-game reason to think that it wouldn't.

[spiriticon]

sistersafetypin wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Sousabird wrote...

hitting a relay and having them all shut down and then detonate in a controlled manner are two very different ideas

Not really:
A) that doesn't look very controlled
not if the source of the explosion is the release/inbalancing of the core of the thing: which, as Arrival states, it is.

C. No where in game do they say that the Relays will be destroyed in a "controlled" manner.
D. No where in game do they say the Relays will merely be "deactivated."

I don't think it was a controlled explosion either, but nowhere in game did they mention that the relay in the last scene went supernova and killed the whole universe.

Let's say, for arguments sake, that the one relay did go supernova, then only the sol system is affected really. 

There were no other explicit images of other relays blowing up apart from some pretty non-explosions on the galaxy map.

[arial]

Mcfly616 wrote...

..besides the fact that they had a close up of the relays exploding, it zoomed out to a galaxy wide view showing literally how massive the explosions were...

those werent explosions. as Reapers were in multiple systems the energy wave from the cruicible has to travel via the relays to reach them all. what we are seeing is the energy wave continueing after traveling via the relays.

[spiriticon]

I state again. I don't think it was a traditional explosion because you can see the pulse moving through Earth with nothing being destroyed (at high EMS levels).

All it did was a) reprogram the reapers on Earth in control and synthesis and disable the reapers in destroy.

No soldiers or reapers being blown to smithereens, nothing.

Modifié par spiriticon, 30 avril 2012 - 12:48 .

[my Aim is True]

They don't appear to explode in the Control ending, watch the comparison video. Citadel arms close instead of the station bursting into flames, and the relay explosion segment is missing