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[LucasShark]

spiriticon wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Sousabird wrote...

hitting a relay and having them all shut down and then detonate in a controlled manner are two very different ideas

Not really:
A) that doesn't look very controlled
not if the source of the explosion is the release/inbalancing of the core of the thing: which, as Arrival states, it is.

C. No where in game do they say that the Relays will be destroyed in a "controlled" manner.
D. No where in game do they say the Relays will merely be "deactivated."

I don't think it was a controlled explosion either, but nowhere in game did they mention that the relay in the last scene went supernova and killed the whole universe.

Let's say, for arguments sake, that the one relay did go supernova, then only the sol system is affected really. 

There were no other explicit images of other relays blowing up apart from some pretty non-explosions on the galaxy map.

Um... logic gap much?

[Mcfly616]

arial wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

..besides the fact that they had a close up of the relays exploding, it zoomed out to a galaxy wide view showing literally how massive the explosions were...

those werent explosions. as Reapers were in multiple systems the energy wave from the cruicible has to travel via the relays to reach them all. what we are seeing is the energy wave continueing after traveling via the relays.

Mmhmm yup....mhmm sure....lol wow

[Devil Mingy]

spiriticon wrote...

I state again. I don't think it was a traditional explosion because you can see the pulse moving through Earth with nothing being destroyed (at high EMS levels).

All it did was a) reprogram the reapers on Earth in control and synthesis and disable the reapers in destroy.

No soldiers or reapers being blown to smithereens, nothing.

But we do not see the effects of the explosion that destroyed the Mass Relay. The only thing we see after the relays explode is the Normandy outrunning a huge explosion. I agree with your main point, but I definitely know why some people could assume this. It amazes me that Weekes never thought people might interpret the ending in this way.

[Mcfly616]

And yet the Normandy gets messed up and crashes.because of it....yeah sure it was obviously harmless....

Not

[Aaleel]

Devil Mingy wrote...

spiriticon wrote...

I state again. I don't think it was a traditional explosion because you can see the pulse moving through Earth with nothing being destroyed (at high EMS levels).

All it did was a) reprogram the reapers on Earth in control and synthesis and disable the reapers in destroy.

No soldiers or reapers being blown to smithereens, nothing.

But we do not see the effects of the explosion that destroyed the Mass Relay. The only thing we see after the relays explode is the Normandy outrunning a huge explosion. I agree with your main point, but I definitely know why some people could assume this. It amazes me that Weekes never thought people might interpret the ending in this way.

An explosion that was spreading fast enough to catch a ship traveling at FTL speed, and rip the back of it apart.

[Monster20862]

RIP Normandy

[jla0644]

It's perfectly reasonable to think the relays destroyed everything, given what we know from ME2, and given that ME3 did nothing to tell us this wasn't the case.

However, from recent dev comments, it seems they did not intend for the destruction of the relays to destroy every system with a relay. What reason they'll come up to explain why this isn't so, who knows?

Is there really any reason to keep discussing this? The destruction of the relays did not obliterate the galaxy, but its understandable that some us reached this conclusion after finishing the game. When the EC comes out they'll give us some BS reason why things happened the way they did.

[Joccaren]

In control: They overload.

In Destroy and Synthesis: It can be clearly seen to explode. No questions.
The best explanation I have seen for why it doesn't destroy the galaxy is because the Alpha Relay was a special relay [as it was] that had a larger than normal Eezo core, which was what allowed it to be redirected to other relays and even aimed straight to the Citadel.

Bioware will likely retcon the Relay explosions like they did Leliana's death in DA. "I chopped off her head, she's dead!", "There are ways she could of survived", "I decapitated her, how the F*** does she still have her head on, and not be some Frankensteinian monster?"

To all those "It went nova because an Asteroid hit it" people - every time an asteroid hits something in our solar system, does our system go Nova? No. Therefore, the Asteroid is not the agent granting the power of the explosion in Arrival [ME tries to base itself of psuedo real physics until the end sequence]. It is the Mass Relay, and the energy contained within it. You can say most of that energy is sent off to the next relay, but what happens when they reach the end of the line, and ALL of that energy is released? An explosion tenfold bigger than Arrival's pitiful one, that's what.

Yes, the writers have said they don't Nova the galaxy. It would be like saying "Wrex's bright green hair attracted many female Krogan to mate with him" though. Wrex doesn't have hair, let alone bright green hair. It is a retcon of pre-established lore so that they can destroy the Relays and show them exploding. If they remove the explosion in EC: All fine. If they don't - They still explode.

[Calibrations Expert]

Has anyone mentioned that the wave from the explosion tore the Normandy apart yet?

Control, Destroy, or Synthesis, it happens every time.

Modifié par Calibrations Expert, 30 avril 2012 - 07:35 .

[Ariq]

spiriticon wrote...

So some of us rather believe our own interpretation than what BioWare writers are actually telling us about the official interpretation on it?

I don't get it. The writers are already telling us a supernova didn't happen, so a supernova didn't happen.

You can get us a link to that official statement, right? I'll be waiting.

[blooregard]

Alpha relay: had a Pluto sized rock smash into it causing all the energy to be released huge explosion insues

end game rainbow explosion: has a beam shot in it and then fires most of its energy to the next relay relay explodes and releases a pulse.

The codex entry for Protheans still show a husk version of the tentacle bearded statues on Ilos and up until ME3 I'm pretty sure they listed the Reapers as fictional devils from hell and the mass relays as Prothean technology.

The codex says alot of thinks but is essentially an in-universe encyclopedia that is limited to what the galactic population as a whole is aware of not just what Shepard and friends are aware of.

That being said the alpha relay's explosion caused a HOLY**** bright light (thus the super nova that took out the Bahak system) while the end game rainbow explosions all had a transparent appearance to them.

My question is if the relays DID go super nova why did it look the same as the crucible pulse (which didn't vaporize earth) of course if it didn't go super nova why did the entire relay explode?

[Chibi Buizel]

Catalyst: "Releasing the energy of the Crucible will end the cycle, but it will also DESTROY the Mass Relays."

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Everything that BioWare has stated post-release, and all of the information leaked about BW post-release, suggests that the development of the ending did not include an assessment of whether the ending was consistent with the rest of the story.

[spiriticon]

Ariq wrote...

spiriticon wrote...

So some of us rather believe our own interpretation than what BioWare writers are actually telling us about the official interpretation on it?

I don't get it. The writers are already telling us a supernova didn't happen, so a supernova didn't happen.

You can get us a link to that official statement, right? I'll be waiting.

-Di the mass relays pull an Arrival and go supernova
"No, they didn't. (i'm paraphrasing here, please don't interpret this too hard) They overloaded, they didn't rupture. We
really didn't mean to imply that the whole galaxy had been destroyed.
People interpreted the ending in ways we really didn't expect. "

He even goes out of his way to state that "we really didn't mean to imply that the whole galaxy had been destroyed". Considering how tight-lipped they have been about the ending, that's as explicit as you're gonna get.

Modifié par spiriticon, 30 avril 2012 - 09:12 .

[delphonic]

spiriticon wrote...

Er they have. AND THEY TOLD YOU IT HASN'T GONE SUPERNOVA. SO WHY ARE WE STILL WASTING TIME WITH THIS ARGUMENT?

ugh.

It still bothers me and I don't believe BioWare when they say "No, the Mass Relays didn't explode this time" for the following reasons:

A) We literally see them explode on screen. From the relay explosion animation to the galaxy map and the Normandy fleeing for it's life from the giant explosions.

 It is well established in ME lore that any time a Mass Relay is destroyed (Starchild uses the word "destroyed") it causes a supernova explosion

C) Because it's such an obvious "oops" moment by BioWare and they're simply trying to save face. They can claim that the mass relays turned all the Reapers into ice cream and apple pie if they want to... but it's obviously BS and anyone who played the games knows it.

[Hudathan]

Norman250 wrote...

This is exactly right. The relay didn't supernova because it was hit by an asteroid, it supernova'd because the asteroid knocked the frame out of shape, releasing the Eezo core, causing an insanely huge explosion. The one at the end of Mass Effect 3 just deactivates the relay, it doesn't overload and destroy the entire frame, releasing the Eezo core....oh, wait...

The element zero core was converted into harmless RGB waves before it was released. Therefore, when the relay itself broke up after the release, there was no supernova since the energy needed for the supernova is no longer there.

Raw mass effect energy released = supernova. Converted mass effect energy =/= supernova. Converted mass effect energy has been shown to have many harmless and even beneficial uses in the series. The end.

Saying that 'a relay exploding causes a supernova because it happened that one time' is a generalizing statement that simply ignores the specific conditions of the situation and the established rules/logic of the series. And no, saying 'it happened once therefore it should happen the same way again' is not logic.

Modifié par Hudathan, 30 avril 2012 - 09:24 .

[Funkdrspot]

The anti enders like to consider it a retcon, while ironically forgetting that the conditions are nowhere close to the same. You can have a compelling arguement but they're zombies now

[survivor_686]

Overload, explosions, detonations...Either way the galactic economy is screwed over, millions are going to die and Earth will be a graveyard.

[spiriticon]

delphonic wrote...

spiriticon wrote...

Er they have. AND THEY TOLD YOU IT HASN'T GONE SUPERNOVA. SO WHY ARE WE STILL WASTING TIME WITH THIS ARGUMENT?

ugh.

It still bothers me and I don't believe BioWare when they say "No, the Mass Relays didn't explode this time" for the following reasons:

A) We literally see them explode on screen. From the relay explosion animation to the galaxy map and the Normandy fleeing for it's life from the giant explosions.

 It is well established in ME lore that any time a Mass Relay is destroyed (Starchild uses the word "destroyed") it causes a supernova explosion

C) Because it's such an obvious "oops" moment by BioWare and they're simply trying to save face. They can claim that the mass relays turned all the Reapers into ice cream and apple pie if they want to... but it's obviously BS and anyone who played the games knows it.

But what they say goes. Unless there are explicit cinematics showing the destruction of the universe and everyone in it, anything that we assume happening as a result of a cinematic showing a small explosion in that last mass relay is just speculation.

If it's just speculation, then when they say NO, it means NO. That line of speculation has to end there because there is no longer any basis for it.

If they show you Thessia, Rannoch, Tuchanka and Earth being burnt to a crisp along with the Normandy and everything else, then yeah shout 'retcon' all you want.

That's what I don't get. I don't mind speculations. But in this case a writer has explicitly come out and said "you're going down the wrong path".

Modifié par spiriticon, 30 avril 2012 - 09:29 .

[Fixers0]

Just dropping this here, but i personally wouldn't place to much credibility on Cutscenes were large part of what happens can't be identified by logic, science or the universe's on lore, as such i tend not to use anything from the final Red/Green/Blue except for the most obvious.

[ryuasiu]

I read the title of this post and laughed hard for a good 2-3 min. I just recently got my breath back

No, as others have posted, with pictures, they blew up. we see parts flying. this is the same thing we see in Arrival.

[Ticonderoga117]

spiriticon wrote...

But what they say goes.

Hold on right here. No. What they SHOW goes. Why? Because searching online for the answers means it's bunk. The game show's relays exploding. If you have played Arrival, you know this is a bad thing. If not, this is still a bad thing, just not a "Lol planets go boom now" bad thing.

Writers can say all they want but the relays are ****g gone and the galaxy as we know it is a lonely place for the survivors cut off and down to a fraction of who were around just before the relays went.

[spiriticon]

ryuasiu wrote...

I read the title of this post and laughed hard for a good 2-3 min. I just recently got my breath back

No, as others have posted, with pictures, they blew up. we see parts flying. this is the same thing we see in Arrival.

I saw parts flying sure. But I didn't see a supernova explosion destroying everything in the universe. Did you?

Modifié par spiriticon, 30 avril 2012 - 09:34 .

[Fixers0]

spiriticon wrote...

I saw parts flying sure. But I didn't see a supernova explosion destroying everything in the universe. Did you?

You know, for those who played arrival, having exact Visual evidence of seeing relay go Supernova and wipe out entire systems is redundant, we've seen what happens when relay's get destroyed, that was the whole point of arrival, sacrifice an entire star system to halt the reapers, whether this is by asteroid or space-magic shouldn't matter unless the narative explicitly tells us that one of those will have a different effect then the other, which never happens.

[Darth Asriel]

Ok let's try to explain this better. A guy taking a sledgehammer to a nuclear warhead and causes it to explode. The explosion and the damage it would cause are no different than if a General in some far off room remotely detonates the same warhead. Your eyes aren't lying to you the relays exploded. BW is retconning/asspulling this. Which is really just adding frappy writing on top of crappy writing. But some people like that. Most of us don't.