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[spirosz]

Tazzmission wrote...
starchild isnt the issue and you know it. face it if the current ending answered everything you wanted with starchild you wouldnt say such things right now

and i just love how you assume you know what the ec is when theres no details about it

Tazzmission to the rescue, no but seriously.  Starchild is an issue for certain people - and you know it.

Modifié par spiros9110, 27 mai 2012 - 05:34 .

[crazyrabbits]

Cyne wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

If the EC is bad as well... then bioware is screwed.

if DA3 is bad also, that's another nail in their coffin.

It won't happen, though. DA3 will be a big improvement over DA2 and the EC will appease most people, particularly those will few expectations. That's what I believe, at least.

I have little faith that the company will be able to come back from this, and that's speaking as someone who's followed them from the original BG.

If the rumors are true, DAIII is the game EA has pushed back to allow more time for development (apparently, as a result of the wonky conferences and statements they've been making that try to paint the game as "Skyrim-lite", featuring elements that should have been in II in the first place. As I've said many times before, I give the DA team a pass on this, because at least they're willing to own up to their mistake. The ME team still seems to be hiding behind flimsy excuses and their corporate PR machine. Everything is riding on the EC. If that doesn't go over well, I predict single-player DLC interest will irrevocably plummet.

[MisterJB]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

What if Bioware lied about Extended Cut being clarification? What if they're actually creating an alternate ending, or simply removing the starchild and its idiotic choices? And then they release it and say "Surprise!"

Heh... Not likely. But if they did that, I would forgive them just enough to stop my constant ranting.

I don't particularly care one way or the other about the StarChild but removing the choices is what would ruin the EC for me.

[spirosz]

crazyrabbits wrote...

I have little faith that the company will be able to come back from this, and that's speaking as someone who's followed them from the original BG.

If the rumors are true, DAIII is the game EA has pushed back to allow more time for development (apparently, as a result of the wonky conferences and statements they've been making that try to paint the game as "Skyrim-lite", featuring elements that should have been in II in the first place. As I've said many times before, I give the DA team a pass on this, because at least they're willing to own up to their mistake. The ME team still seems to be hiding behind flimsy excuses and their corporate PR machine. Everything is riding on the EC. If that doesn't go over well, I predict single-player DLC interest will irrevocably plummet.

The fact that they're putting in MP (rumored) for DA III... doesn't give me much hope for that franchise either, even though I slightly prefer certain things about DA II, with it's many flaws.  I know not to judge, but I really can't see how it would fit the story. 

[Tazzmission]

spiros9110 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
starchild isnt the issue and you know it. face it if the current ending answered everything you wanted with starchild you wouldnt say such things right now

and i just love how you assume you know what the ec is when theres no details about it

Tazzmission to the rescue, no but seriously.  Starchild is an issue for certain people - and you know it.

im just saying alot of people want answers to plotholes right? so tell me again how star child is a plot hole?

face it the reason why people bash him as an idea is mainly because we have nothing but small diolauge from him and thats it

i dont mind the catalyst but id like to learn more of his actions instead of the simple cop outof chaos is the reason for the new order

[spirosz]

Tazzmission wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
starchild isnt the issue and you know it. face it if the current ending answered everything you wanted with starchild you wouldnt say such things right now

and i just love how you assume you know what the ec is when theres no details about it

Tazzmission to the rescue, no but seriously.  Starchild is an issue for certain people - and you know it.

im just saying alot of people want answers to plotholes right? so tell me again how star child is a plot hole?

face it the reason why people bash him as an idea is mainly because we have nothing but small diolauge from him and thats it

i dont mind the catalyst but id like to learn more of his actions instead of the simple cop outof chaos is the reason for the new order

Maybe they'd rather have a figure that was established in the second game; Harbinger and not some image projected from Shepard's mind.  I understand it's role was to portray something "bigger" than the Reapers, but the kid still felt out of place for me throughout the game, especially during the end. 

[Sajji]

farlander28 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

people just need to quit always assuming the worst

Because EA/BW hasn't given us reason after reason to assume the worst, right? It stuns me how some people can still delude themselves into giving EA/BW the benefit of the doubt on, well, ANYTHING.

This. It's mind boggling.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Starchild, each of its three choices, and "the crucible not firing" are all stupid and illogical, in my opinion. In fact, I'll go one step further. Shepard and Hammer team should never have been hit by that Reaper laser.

[DaJe]

Sajji wrote...

farlander28 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

people just need to quit always assuming the worst

Because EA/BW hasn't given us reason after reason to assume the worst, right? It stuns me how some people can still delude themselves into giving EA/BW the benefit of the doubt on, well, ANYTHING.

This. It's mind boggling.

I find the argument "because they said so" most amusing. As if that would still mean anything.

[Berkilak]

Starchild is an issue because he exemplifies the disconnect between the ending of ME3 and the rest of the franchise. As soon as Shepard hits that elevator, the narrative established in the previous three games goes out the airlock.

It's not that he's essentially a "bad" character. It's that he comes in to play in lieu of other more logical choices for his role, and that everything he presents to us is done so in a vacuum relative to the narrative of the rest of the franchise - even contradicting the sparse details we already had on the Reapers.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

What If the EC is Terrible?

At least Bioware tried. For me, I really don't care abymore with how it ended. If they are stubborn about killing Shepard in all three colored ending then so be it.

I just found out today that I'm color blind so it adds further to my frustration. I hope Bioware has learned its lesson and do away with color coded endings.

[Yakko77]

Getorex wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

The crap is not over but the end IS in sight.  You have yet to experience the suck that is the EC. 

You're a very much a glass half empty person but sadly, my expectation for EC are also very low.  I don't know how they can just "explain" that plot hole filled and circular logic ending.  At best I'm hoping the end for me will go from "WTF just happned?" to "meh".

Well, a glass IS half-empty if you are in the process of drinking it down.  It is half-full while in the process of filling it up.  

I suspect you are correct that the EC will merely take the ending from WTF? to Meh.  There isn't enough dialog in the world that can make the illogical logical, the patently ridiculous and self-evidently self-contradictory to the opposite.  Having OTHER characters in the game yammer on about the nonsense of "synthetics always turn on their creators"or "yeah, makes sense that one would create synthetics to kill organics before their own synthetics can do the job...and all to save organics!"  No exposition of ANY kind can fix the uber-godlike power of the starturd kid who can wave his god hand (not 'god-like' but actual GOD) and nearly instantaneously, at at vast distances, turn EVERY organic lifeform into a magical combo of synthetic-organic all over the galaxy.  THAT is magic and THAT is literally a power of a god.  No god can be as ridiculously stupid and vapid as the starturd, however.  So epic fail.

My concern is that BW really isn't taking the frustration and anger over the ending seriously.  BW PR defend it with words like "artistic integrity" and all that rot.  I get that making games from a story and graphics perspective is an art form but first and formost games are a product to be sold and we gamers are its consumers and the product (the end at least) was unsatisfactory to put it mildly.  Yeah, they're giving us EC for free but as you, I and many other have tried to explain, simply trying to lengthen and explain a bit more that incomprehensible, plot hole filled, circular logic tainted ending is simply NOT possible to any realistic degree.  It may, and I stress may, make it suck somewhat less but it'll still suck in the end.  Polishing a turd or whatever you're favorite analogy is.

What's worse is how hard it is for me to even say these things.  I love this series of games.  ME was the whole reason I even bought a xbox360 and I have played ME over a dozen times and ME2 at least a dozen.  ME3 I have played enough that I can count it on one hand and have fingers to spare.  That's how uninspired I am to play again all because of an ending that was so horrible that it took away any motivation to play again.  I even traded in my ME1 and 2 games, something I thought I'd never do.  Best case scenario is the game gets a rewrite from the Harbinger beem on forward or at the very least from after when you pass out after dealing with TIM.  If BW were serious about correcting the ending, that's what they'd do but that seems to not be the case so hence this EC which that alone makes me doubt how serious they are.  It's like, "Here, have a little more now shut up and go away."

I'm scathing in my view on the ME3 ending not because I want to flame or troll but because I love this game and the fans of this great game series deserved better.

[AdamJenson]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Starchild, each of its three choices, and "the crucible not firing" are all stupid and illogical, in my opinion. In fact, I'll go one step further. Shepard and Hammer team should never have been hit by that Reaper laser.

Shepard managed to handily dodge a reaper laser again and again and again on Rannoch.  He totally loses his touch on Earth.  Maybe his bursitis was kicking up again...and he didn't have any Aleve.

[farlander28]

The "tasteful, understated" explanation is the best I've seen yet regarding the ending. It's a good 30 minutes, since the whole first half is based on analyzing the first two games from a writing perspective. If anyone is interested in a "greater context" break-down, I recommend watching:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs

[Chris Priestly]

Ok, there are too many spoilers here now.

You are welcome to restart this in teh Storyline forum if you wish.


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