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I should set up a pitchfork and torch shop next to BSN....

[WhiteKnyght]

Ghost-621 wrote...

jreezy made me do it.

Well, this thread sets out to discuss pretty much the opposite point of what the "What if the EC is awesome" has.

A majority of the Mass Effect fans didn't want an extended or "clarified" version of the crappy ending, they wanted BioWare to make it right and remake the ending.

Shoveling more feces onto a pile of feces won't make it less fecal, no matter how "symbolic" the feces are.

The only thing that made the ending "crappy" was the lack of explanation and answers. Extended Cut is just what the doctor asked for.

Also you overestimate the power of DLC. It might have worked for Fallout 3, but Mass Effect uses an entirely different engine than FO.

[Tazzmission]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

jreezy made me do it.

Well, this thread sets out to discuss pretty much the opposite point of what the "What if the EC is awesome" has.

A majority of the Mass Effect fans didn't want an extended or "clarified" version of the crappy ending, they wanted BioWare to make it right and remake the ending.

Shoveling more feces onto a pile of feces won't make it less fecal, no matter how "symbolic" the feces are.

The only thing that made the ending "crappy" was the lack of explanation and answers. Extended Cut is just what the doctor asked for.

now this right here i agree with 100%

[Well]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

jreezy made me do it.

Well, this thread sets out to discuss pretty much the opposite point of what the "What if the EC is awesome" has.

A majority of the Mass Effect fans didn't want an extended or "clarified" version of the crappy ending, they wanted BioWare to make it right and remake the ending.

Shoveling more feces onto a pile of feces won't make it less fecal, no matter how "symbolic" the feces are.

The only thing that made the ending "crappy" was the lack of explanation and answers. Extended Cut is just what the doctor asked for.

Also you overestimate the power of DLC. It might have worked for Fallout 3, but Mass Effect uses an entirely different engine than FO.

To you.The ending was the pits to me.Except for two major missions the game was so so to me.The ending seemed like they just wanted to get it over with and go home.So now they are making a CYA Dlc.Big Whoop!

[Eclipse merc]

Then I wouldn't be suprised

[Getorex]

Tazzmission wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

jreezy made me do it.

Well, this thread sets out to discuss pretty much the opposite point of what the "What if the EC is awesome" has.

A majority of the Mass Effect fans didn't want an extended or "clarified" version of the crappy ending, they wanted BioWare to make it right and remake the ending.

Shoveling more feces onto a pile of feces won't make it less fecal, no matter how "symbolic" the feces are.

The only thing that made the ending "crappy" was the lack of explanation and answers. Extended Cut is just what the doctor asked for.

now this right here i agree with 100%

No.  The ending was objectively crappy like it or not.  It was crappy because it was predicated upon nonsense that contradicted the very game you were just finishing.  It was crappy because it came out of nowhere with a new magical agent running the show.  It was objectively crappy because it totally negated EVERYTHING you did before in all 3 games.  It was objectively crappy because there is NO mechanism whatsoever that can "kill all synthetics" Tell me genious, what is the real difference between your smart phone and my PC and somone else's tablet?  What magic makes it clear that my PC should die and your smart phone should live, or what magic determines that my TI calculator gets to live but my PC, my laptop, my smartphone, has to die?  THAT is what separates "synthetics" from mere computers.  Seriously, what separates a "synthetic" like the geth from a really good expert system computer?  What magic separates Shepard's PROTHETICS from someone's iron lung and makes it so Shepard will die because he has SOME biomechanical prosthetics while someone with, say, an artificial heart will get by with a free pass?  What, specifically, separates "synthetics" like the Geth, EDI, a heavily prosthetic-enhanced Shepard from the non-doomed?  Is there a magic cutoff that if you are more than 50% "synthetic" you get to die?(too bad you had a car accident, loser, and needed prosthetic repair! Now you have to die because Shepard makes some retarded decision predicated upon the sayso of a retarded 9 year old child).

But wait, there's more!  Synthetics don't have DNA.  DNA, by definition (ANY definition) is ORGANIC.  They cannot have DNA or they are organic, not "synthetic" as per the definitions of "synthetics" in ME.  So, there can be no blending of synthetic and organic DNA to make some kind of "new" DNA.  DNA is DNA is DNA.  Deoxyribose nucleic acid cannot be made "different".  It is what it is and it is organic by ALL definitions.  Hell, even "synthetic" (by real world usage) DNA analogs like PNA (protein nucleic acid - look it up) is ORGANIC and functions NO DIFFERENTLY than DNA.  Even if you somehow stuck some silicon into it, it would STILL be organic (sorry, carbon-based chemistry/molecules are ORGANIC, no ifs, ands, or buts).  There is no "new kind of DNA" AND synthetics do not have DNA so "organic and synthetic DNA" (an oxymoron) cannot be combined into a "new form of DNA".  Cannot be done even with space magic.  Cannot be done.  Period.  The end.  Furthermore, by what mechanism do they have it happen in game?  By magic beams!  Tell me genious, what "beam" can change DNA into some "new form of DNA"?  Oh sure, UV, xray, gamma ray can all alter/damage DNA but it CANNOT make "new" DNA and the DNA that comes out the ass end of it is STILL ORGANIC DNA!  

There was also no viable/intelligible mechanism that requires Shepard must die to "control" the reapers!  They are f(cking "synthetics"/AIs so they can be controlled by simple...controls.  You simply push a button and they shut down, or push a button and they go to sleep, or push a button and their current programming switches to a different program and they move on.  No death is required.  No mechanism that controls an AI requires ANYONE to die, not a bacteria, not an insect, not a Shepard. 

No, on three levels (all three colors) the ending was CRAP and unfixable.  It was beyond ALL reason (you cannot get reason out of nonsense no matter how many times you scream "Can too! Can too!"  No you can't.  The ending sucked and explanation cannot fix it because there is nothing to "explain".  Nonsense is nonsense.  It is jaberwocky.

Modifié par Getorex, 01 mai 2012 - 01:41 .

[Rynocerous]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The only thing that made the ending "crappy" was the lack of explanation and answers. Extended Cut is just what the doctor asked for.

I'm afraid no amount of explaination can rectify core issues with the ending, such as it's reliance on the deus ex machina of the Starchild's so-called choices.  I have seen commentary from some wit claiming the Starchild is not deus ex machina, which is just a sign than our literary understanding is very badly eroded in these days.

Wikipedia quote: "A deus ex machina is generally undesirable in writing and often
implies a lack of creativity on the part of the author. The reasons for
this are that it does not pay due regard to the story's internal logic
and is often so unlikely that it challenges suspension of disbelief."

At the end of the day, one vague sentence from the VI on Thessia is not enough to convince me that the goal of the game should be to listen to an illogical set of choices from a clearly malfunctioning machine intellgence, especially  one who's idea of mercy is to render entire civilizations to gestalt paste like some kind of crazy Evangelion plotline.

I think the EC can clear up things that lead to the IT, such as confusion about what Joker is doing flying the Normandy away, or how the hell the Reaper Cycle changes anything in the long run. (Sorry , but 200 cycles of having aliens mine and work planets and eventually every bio-supporting world will be ruined.) But it doesn't fix the core issues. It doesn't fix the fact that the ending fails at providing closure, or a sense that things will go on.

And no, random comments from devs ("of COURSE gigantic explosions don't mean the relays blew up just like in Arrival") do not obviate the fact that someone simply did not take the time to come up with a better ending.

[spiriticon]

I think most people expect the EC to kind of suck. It wouldn't be much different to the situation now.

I'm hoping for the best but not getting overly excited. I love the Mass Effect series as a whole because it attempted an ambitious project which few other developers would and for the most part, delivered an excellent gaming experience.

[Someone With Mass]

jreezy wrote...

I am in agreement. Adding more feces just makes things stink more. I don't want the starchiild's illogical bs "clarified". What about our war assets being pretty much irrelevant? Is BioWare just going to "clarify" why instead of changing it?

There's no way to justify the Starchild's intensely broken logic, anyway.

I personally would have liked it more if the Reapers fought to overthrow him instead and harvested organics to strengthen their attacks.

That is, if I ever wanted the twerp to exist to begin with.

I really doubt that they can explain in a believable way how the Starchild didn't help Sovereign if he was inside the Citadel the whole time, or why he even needed Sovereign to begin with.

His mere existence creates jarring plotholes.

[abaris]

spiriticon wrote...

I think most people expect the EC to kind of suck. It wouldn't be much different to the situation now.

Bioware themselves laid the foundations to not hanging one's hopes too high. In the midst of the hindparts tsunami they were declaring to not change the endings.

Well, I might be pleasantly surprised, but given the facts, doubt is in order.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Terrible EC just doesn't change a thing (minus perhaps makes indoctrination theory people a little more angrier).

[SovereignWillReturn]

I will be sad, slightly shake my head in sadness, and return my Mass Effect games and not buy Bioware again.

I remember KOTOR, hack when there was no such things as shenanigans.

[Dormiglione]

Bioware said that EC will not change the Endings and there will not be additional Endings. So what we can expect is more details, explanations about the existing endings and maybe a longer epilogue.
To be honest, i dont have any expectation about EC. It doesnt change the story.

[ME 3]

Bioware don't understand that out of all the endings problems, few fans are pissed off about clarification.
I was disappointed about the lack of choice.
Does anyone know where my 16 endings went? I can't find them anywhere

[Someone With Mass]

ME 3 wrote...

Bioware don't understand that out of all the endings problems, few fans are pissed off about clarification.
I was disappointed about the lack of choice.
Does anyone know where my 16 endings went? I can't find them anywhere

Think of the poor colorblind people. They only got one ending.

[abaris]

ME 3 wrote...

Does anyone know where my 16 endings went? I can't find them anywhere

Some posters went to great pains finding these 16 endings in the files. They actually are named red something, blue something or green something and feature minute changes to the existing cinematics.

So some could argue they didn't actually lie but it's still an extra helping of Bull.

[Tonymac]

Well, I suppose that the EC will be helpful. We now how two options on the menu, ladies and gentleman. We are proud to present you with two tastey versions of terdsauce - "terdsauce a la vigne" (red or blue or green), or the enhanced version of "terdsauce piquant". Terdsauce and wine comes in three flavors - cherry, lime, and blueberry. Spicey terdsauce comes in green pepper, red paprika, and blue Caspsium annuum. Just yummy!

*plops a spoon in it* Who wants some more?

[DadeLeviathan]

Firstly, if the EC is terrible, that will be like lightning striking the same place twice in the same day. Highly impossible, as that would require the entire writing team at Bioware to actively try to make the ending worse.

Secondly, if the EC is terrible, I will not be purchasing another product that is anyway associated with Mass Effect. I will give other Bioware products a chance, but I won't ever be preordering one again.

[abaris]

Tonymac wrote...

Well, I suppose that the EC will be helpful. We now how two options on the menu, ladies and gentleman. We are proud to present you with two tastey versions of terdsauce - "terdsauce a la vigne" (red or blue or green), or the enhanced version of "terdsauce piquant". Terdsauce and wine comes in three flavors - cherry, lime, and blueberry. Spicey terdsauce comes in green pepper, red paprika, and blue Caspsium annuum. Just yummy!

*plops a spoon in it* Who wants some more?

Might want to change your "e" to a "u" in "terdsauce". I guess the resulting word was your real intent.

[walshy200]

Mass effect if beyond saving now, however this DLC is very, very important they need to get it right because the way i see nobody will be buying new products and why should they?
Spend over 200 hours on a series to get a **** you at the end ....

Modifié par walshy200, 01 mai 2012 - 05:49 .

[Sebba da God]

Ive restored some hope in Bioware after this tweet: Q: You can't wait? Does that mean you guys might actually do something about the endings? Like, maybe fix them?

JessicaMerizan: The team is working really hard right now on the EC DLC and I'm pleased with what's coming out of their work so far

[Cadence of the Planes]

Ghost-621 wrote...

A majority of the Mass Effect fans didn't want an extended or "clarified" version of the crappy ending, they wanted BioWare to make it right and remake the ending.

Shoveling more feces onto a pile of feces won't make it less fecal, no matter how "symbolic" the feces are.

Ah yes, the possibility of a good EC. 




We have dismissed such claims.