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[Getorex]

AlanC9 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

When is this stupid EC supposed to be released anyway? I was under the impression originally that it would be out by now, or close to now (the end of May). It would be so much easier if I had a target timeframe to look to so I don't have to keep logging in here and waste a few minutes to see if there has been an announcement. I just want to know when to search Youtube for the EC disaster.

Anyone?

So you're seriously interested in the EC because you can't wait to unleash hatred on it?

Where did you get the idea that it would be out by the end of May? That's almost as silly as that Planet Incestus idea you used to push.

Not really (that I just want to know when it comes out so I can "hate on it")..  It is more morbid curiousity.  Even YOU can't help but look at the wreckage at the side of the road when you drive past an accident.  EVERYONE looks.  Everyone.  I merely want to look at the wreckage.  Call it the real "closure" to the whole ME thing.  

I want to know when it is coming out so I know precisely when to log back in here so I can read the reviews of those who simply could not help themselves and just HAD to download it and run it (I can't say "play it" because it is pure, passive cutscene so there is no "playing" involved).  I want to read their reviews and follow their links to youtube so I can take a peek (at the wreck as I drive by).  After that, I wont be coming here anymore.  That's all.

As for thinking that it would be released around the end of May, I don't recall where I got that but I DO recall getting that impression early on.  They CAN'T wait much longer in any case.  The EC is a hair, skin, and dirtball clogging the toilet so they cannot flush it and get more pointless DLC out until the clog is taken care of.  Time's a wastin'.

Then there is the 0.1 out of 99.9 chance that the EC will actually pull a rabbit out of a hat and undo some damage.  Sure, long odds but morbid curiousity prevails.  Always.

Planet Incestus is NOT silly, as it IS what isgoing to happen on that planet.  There are maybe 50 people MAX on the Normandy (most likely less).  They land on an uninhabited planet.  They are MAROONED.  There WILL be incest there, no question, unless they all refrain from boinking each other and don't make babies.  50 people = incest after just a few generations (do the math).  Not silly, just fact.

Modifié par Getorex, 24 mai 2012 - 04:05 .

[Getorex]

farlander28 wrote...

Sebba da God wrote...

Ive restored some hope in Bioware after this tweet: Q: You can't wait? Does that mean you guys might actually do something about the endings? Like, maybe fix them?

JessicaMerizan: The team is working really hard right now on the EC DLC and I'm pleased with what's coming out of their work so far

You know she's required to say things like this, right? She's an employee of EA/BW, which means that *if* she says anything at all, it's going to be positive. To do otherwise would get her into trouble.

Or do you just not understand how business works? These people aren't your friends, they're employees of a corporate entity.

Yup.  What ELSE is she going to say?  No matter what, she has to be "pleased with what they are spewing out".  The only way you get a real take on it is if someone leaks information.

[Grissmin]

If EC is terrible, I just finished with Bioware.
I'll never buy any of their games. I don't need the games which make me feel so bad.

[Getorex]

Grissmin wrote...

If EC is terrible, I just finished with Bioware.
I'll never buy any of their games. I don't need the games which make me feel so bad.

Do you really "feel so bad" even now?  How long since you played the ending?  After a fairly short time any bad feeling should fade into simple self disgust (that you got suckered in) and disappointment (that you were so impressed with the product).  It has been perhaps a month since I did my one and only play of ME3 (and returned it for replacement with "Alan Wake") and I now only have ME2 still on my system and then only so I have something to register here to allow me to post at all.  Once the EC is released and I read the reviews here and watch the youtube vids of it I will leave this place and uninstall ME2 as well.  There will be no more bits and bytes of ME anything on my system and good riddance at that.

You will get here with me (and many many others) eventually. 

[AlanC9]

Getorex wrote...
As for thinking that it would be released around the end of May, I don't recall where I got that but I DO recall getting that impression early on.  They CAN'T wait much longer in any case.  The EC is a hair, skin, and dirtball clogging the toilet so they cannot flush it and get more pointless DLC out until the clog is taken care of.  Time's a wastin'.

They've always said it would come out in "summer." Last time I checked, May isn't summer.

Planet Incestus is NOT silly, as it IS what isgoing to happen on that planet.  There are maybe 50 people MAX on the Normandy (most likely less).  They land on an uninhabited planet.  They are MAROONED.  There WILL be incest there, no question, unless they all refrain from boinking each other and don't make babies.  50 people = incest after just a few generations (do the math).  Not silly, just fact.

Where did you get the idea they're marooned? 

Assuming that the Sol relay is a secondary relay, they're only a few weeks from Earth at FTL cruising speed, at most. That's assuming the planet isn't already colonized, which is highly unlikely in itself since it's a garden world that's relatively close to Sol. (I'm going to assume the QEC's still in working order since it will be working if Bio wants it to be working.)

If Sol's actually got a primary relay -- unlikely since the Codex implies the local primaries go through Arcturus -- then they're cut off from Earth, yep. But in that case the planet certainly is colonized, since there's no way the Alliance would  leave the world at the other end of the only relay from Sol unoccupied. Might be hard luck for Team Dextro, of course. But this is, as I said, unlikely anyway.

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 mai 2012 - 04:50 .

[Huntress]

Getorex wrote...

Then there is the 0.1 out of 99.9 chance that the EC will actually pull a rabbit out of a hat and undo some damage.  Sure, long odds but morbid curiousity prevails.  Always.

Planet Incestus is NOT silly, as it IS what isgoing to happen on that planet.  There are maybe 50 people MAX on the Normandy (most likely less).  They land on an uninhabited planet.  They are MAROONED.  There WILL be incest there, no question, unless they all refrain from boinking each other and don't make babies.  50 people = incest after just a few generations (do the math).  Not silly, just fact.

The 0.1 chance would be a cut scene where BioWare force "other space ships" to land in the same planet and making a cut scene of tali eating a fruit next to Liara. awwww ... wake up shepard!

Still  the same garbage Shepard have been left behind like a sick dog and the girl friend or boy friend is going to have to make the greates sacrifices in the history, mating with Shepard friends for the good of artistic Integrity.

[Getorex]

AlanC9 wrote...

Getorex wrote...
As for thinking that it would be released around the end of May, I don't recall where I got that but I DO recall getting that impression early on.  They CAN'T wait much longer in any case.  The EC is a hair, skin, and dirtball clogging the toilet so they cannot flush it and get more pointless DLC out until the clog is taken care of.  Time's a wastin'.

They've always said it would come out in "summer." Last time I checked, May isn't summer.

Planet Incestus is NOT silly, as it IS what isgoing to happen on that planet.  There are maybe 50 people MAX on the Normandy (most likely less).  They land on an uninhabited planet.  They are MAROONED.  There WILL be incest there, no question, unless they all refrain from boinking each other and don't make babies.  50 people = incest after just a few generations (do the math).  Not silly, just fact.

Where did you get the idea they're marooned? 

Assuming that the Sol relay is a secondary relay, they're only a few weeks from Earth at FTL cruising speed, at most. That's assuming the planet isn't already colonized, which is highly unlikely in itself since it's a garden world that's relatively close to Sol. (I'm going to assume the QEC's still in working order since it will be working if Bio wants it to be working.)

If Sol's actually got a primary relay -- unlikely since the Codex implies the local primaries go through Arcturus -- then they're cut off from Earth, yep. But in that case the planet certainly is colonized, since there's no way the Alliance would  leave the world at the other end of the only relay from Sol unoccupied. Might be hard luck for Team Dextro, of course. But this is, as I said, unlikely anyway.

Seriously?  SERIOUSLY?!  C'mon!  NO HANDWAVING!  NO!  BAD FANBOY.  The Normandy is a useless wreck.  It is NEVER flying again.  Toast.  The planet is shiny and new, uninhabited.  Not a soul in sight, no colony, nothing.  Pristine planet.  No mass relays.  Gone.  No more interstellar travel (and they passed through a mass relay, the one that blew to hell right behind them) so they are FAR away from where they were.  

New planet, wrecked Minnow...er, I mean wrecked NORMANDY.  Yup.  Marooned.  Marooned and smiling on a happy empty planet.  No more than 50 (at best) people left, plus ONE turian and ONE quarian and ONE asari.  Now either the turian and the quarian are REALLY SOL or everyone else is.  A planet cannot be both levo and dextro.  One or the other so EITHER the ~47 or so humans, let's assume about 50:50 male:female plus the asari are screwed because the planet is dextro-based or the turian and quarian are screwed.  That leaves 48 people.  47 of whom are human with close 23 male and 24 females or vice versa.  23 completely independent couples (someone or someones are going to have to share so everyone gets a turn OR they are going to ditch couples and go free-for-all).  The asari is in heaven as she gets to boink all takers. 

So BEST case, 2 die quickly (turian and quarian) and the rest either abstain (ain't going to happen - never does) or they are going to "get busy" and there will be babies.  The math tells us that it only takes a few generations to get to incest. 

WORST case, 48 people die leaving just the turian and the quarian.  Pretty friggin lonely. 

They are marooned (based ONLY on what is presented...you do NOT get to wave your hands and make up sh*t from nowhere.  You only get to use what is presented to you). 

[ThatGamerWithSouvlaki285]

If EC is bad, am done with mass effect and will think twice before i buy a bioware game.

[Getorex]

steph285 wrote...

If EC is bad, am done with mass effect and will think twice before i buy a bioware game.

There is an alternative.  Take my example.  I wasted $60 on ME3 as a pre-order.  What an idiot I was.  I returned it after one disastrous play-through and replaced it with a totally different game NOT by Bioware.  I waited a bit and then bought ME3 AGAIN but when it was ~1/3 the original price!  You don't have to wait long for that you know, especially fr a dog game that sinks in price/demand quickly like ME3 did.  Now I have ME3 CHEAP and, IF Bioware does some real heavy magic, I can install it again and play it more.  If, as is more likely, Bioware borks it (they will) then I am only out just shy of $20 and can sell the game via Amazon or E-Bay to some sucker and recoup ~ half my cost.  

So...don't be eager and ready to buy any new Bioware (or anyone else's game for that matter) upon its initial release.  That is just foolishness (and I for one will never do so again...ME3 was a first for me as far as pre-ordering).  Wait until users have put out their reviews and youtube is carryng their vids.  Then wait a few more weeks, allow the game to drop in price, and buy it then for much cheaper.  NEVER pay full price for any computer game. 

[Sabriana]

Well, there would have to be a lot of space-ships crashing on that Jungle Planet. Genetic diversity and biodiversity are very important to ward off pathogens that weaken the alleles. Even aside from the possible inbreeding. Extreme vulnerability to diseases is also a factor, especially on an uncharted planet. Who knows what kind of virii and bacilli are flitting around there.

I'm not a biologist, and I don't remember the specifics about genetic and biodiversity, but I do know that it can doom a species if they are not there.

As far as the EC is concerned I'm very curious how Bioware will go about clarifying this. Imo, the game and the ending are the worst mismatch in the history of mismatches. It will be interesting to see what they will do about it. I've never seen anything like it. I got a "Crucible destroyed, critical mission failure" because I could only sit and stare and be awed in a very terrible way.

No, I don't own ME3. After DA2 I swore to myself to never rush out and buy any game, sight unseen on release day, and I always keep my resolves. I did play it on a friend's X-Box. My very first console experience ever, btw. Boy, was I bad with the controller at first. Needless to say, ME3 will not enter my house the way it is. Ever. So the EC is what I'm waiting for. I am really very curious how they will go about explaining this horrible ending.

The game itself wasn't so good either, but every time I became annoyed, something happened that was really good. Tuchanka, Rannoch, Mordin and Jack for example. Quite well done, showing excellent writing and great talent. So I'm not giving up on ME3 yet. I don't know how they could possibly fix this mess but they do have great talent on hand.

[AlanC9]

Getorex wrote...
Seriously?  SERIOUSLY?!  C'mon!  NO HANDWAVING!  NO!  BAD FANBOY.  The Normandy is a useless wreck.  It is NEVER flying again.  Toast.  The planet is shiny and new, uninhabited.  Not a soul in sight, no colony, nothing.  Pristine planet.  No mass relays.  Gone.  No more interstellar travel (and they passed through a mass relay, the one that blew to hell right behind them) so they are FAR away from where they were.  

Handwaving? Wow --- you really don't know anything about the ME universe at all. 

Ships cruise at 4000x lightspeed. Without relays. Do you want the codex and dialogue references? Anyplace a secondary relay goes, a mass effect ship can go.

Edit: note that the ME1 Codex entries are a bit incoherent. The Charon Relay entry states that the relay "leads to" Arcturus, which would only be strictly true if this was a primary link. (Perhaps Grissom & Co. didn't know how to pick a relay destination yet?) The Arcturus Station entry states that Arcturus-Sol is a secondary link. Also note that Demeter was colonized without using relays, though the system has a relay (presumably the principles of relay operation hadn't been discovered yet). 

As for whether the planet was inhabited, Eden Prime only had 4.2 million people on it before the invasion. On the whole planet. You could crash dozens -- hundreds  -- of Normandies onto a planet with that much population and never come near enough to a settlement to see it from a crash site. When I see an episode of Nature set in the Alaskan wilderness, I don't automatically conclude that the entire USA is uninhabited. Do you?

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 mai 2012 - 02:12 .

[AlanC9]

Sabriana wrote...

Well, there would have to be a lot of space-ships crashing on that Jungle Planet. Genetic diversity and biodiversity are very important to ward off pathogens that weaken the alleles. Even aside from the possible inbreeding. Extreme vulnerability to diseases is also a factor, especially on an uncharted planet. Who knows what kind of virii and bacilli are flitting around there.

You missed the point. It's just about inconceivable that a world that close to Sol is uncharted, and scarcely more credible that it's uninhabited. It's --at most -- a few weeks away from Sol without relays, so the turian argument about not opening unknown relays doesn't apply. Even if that prohibition applied to secondary relays, and the Codex says it did not.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 mai 2012 - 02:12 .

[Getorex]

AlanC9 wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Well, there would have to be a lot of space-ships crashing on that Jungle Planet. Genetic diversity and biodiversity are very important to ward off pathogens that weaken the alleles. Even aside from the possible inbreeding. Extreme vulnerability to diseases is also a factor, especially on an uncharted planet. Who knows what kind of virii and bacilli are flitting around there.

You missed the point. It's just about inconceivable that a world that close to Sol is uncharted, and scarcely more credible that it's uninhabited. It's --at most -- a few weeks away from Sol without relays, so the turian argument about not opening unknown relays doesn't apply. Even if that prohibition applied to secondary relays, and the Codex says it did not.

You assume a LOT.  How many relays did Joker cowardly jump through?  WE HAVE NO IDEA.  The damn coward could have run like a sissy through several.  

They CANNOT go anywhere a relay is via FTL.  The galaxy, its social, political, and economic structure is ABSOLUTELY dependent upon the relays.  They CANNOT operate on mere FTL.  Otherwise, they would fairly regularly skip the jumps because, no big whoop.  The system as setup cannot operate without the relays just as modern earth civilization cannot operate without cheap oil.  The entire world social structure, economics, politics is absolute predicated on CHEAP oil.  That goes and so goes the entire civilization we all know.

No handwaving, no reading more than is offered.  Joker turned tail and ran, magically picking up DEAD squadmates who were just there with you in the final fight and harbinger beam.  Joker also HAD to have a magicl premonition that they had to all run away like sissies because somehow Shepard was going to totally screw everything up so RUN AWAY!  But then, Shepard didn't know the outcome or consequences until SECONDS before he makes his stupid and pointless decision...and no matter what decision he makes it wrecks everything.  There was NO WAY for ANYONE to know they needed to turn tail and run (as cowards).  No way.

[Mr.Kingsnake]

Western civilization as we know it will collapse, and I will be forced to play the Witcher 2 for the rest of my days knowing that the universe I invested five years of my life into was all for basically nothing.

[Yakko77]

I want EC to be good, I really do. ME was the whole reason I even bough a xbox360 in the first place. I played that game about 15 times throughout the years. I played ME2 roughly a dozen times. ME3, well, let's just say I can use one hand and have fingers to spare to count the times I've played it. The thing is, I loved it up till the Star Brat. Not flawless but easily a 9.0 - 9.5 game IMO... till the ending that is.

The ending is broken by that horrible circular logic used to explain the Reapers motives let along all the other plot holes. From the Harbinger beam on forward the game needs a rewrite but even when the retake Mass Effect movement first started gaining momentum I knew that was never going to happen which is a pity because the fans who were loyal and supportive of this epic game series deserved a great finish and we did NOT get it. Plain and simple. Sadly, I fear this game will forever be tainted by a unsatisfactory ending. Maybe I'll be proven wrong but I don't see how they can extend a few scene to explain away the mess that was the last 10 minutes.

[Darkness625]

If it sucks than that truly means bioware doesn't care about the fans and  it will a f*** you message. I'll be done with ME series if it does suck, and DA3 is only hope to give their games another chance. Other than that, I don't care if I have to wait next year for EC. Just make it right.

Modifié par Darkness625, 25 mai 2012 - 04:22 .

[LegionMan]

If it doesn't live up to your expectations, just walk away slowly...

[AlanC9]

Getorex wrote...
You assume a LOT.  How many relays did Joker cowardly jump through?  WE HAVE NO IDEA.  The damn coward could have run like a sissy through several.  

I'm assuming stuff? You're the one making up a bunch of relay jumps here -- in a deperate attempt to prop up an interpretation which you don't even like.

But let's cut to the chase. We both know that when the EC ships my interpretation will be proven correct and yours will be proven wrong. I suppose when that happens you can play the "it's all one big retcon" card. Go ahead and play that now, if you like. It'll save us time.

I'm going to have to parse the next paragraph sentence by sentence, since your English is getting a little incoherent.

They CANNOT go anywhere a relay is via FTL.  

"A relay" is a bit misleading. A secondary relay trip is quite doable with ordinary FTL, though slow. Primaries aren't, yep.

The galaxy, its social, political, and economic structure is ABSOLUTELY dependent upon the relays.  They CANNOT operate on mere FTL.

Why all the SHOUTING?

Sure, the Citadel government's done. While technically there's no barrier to carrying on the same government structure by QEC, in practice you probably wouldn't have the bandwidth to keep the pieces from drifting apart, nor have any way to stop a separatist movement.

The social and economic structures will need to be reconstructed within the local clusters, yep. Note that a lot of trade seems to have been happening that way anyway. Arcturus Station, for instance, was supplied from the nearest garden world in the cluster even though it's at the terminus of several primary relay links and within secondary relay travel from Sol.

Otherwise, they would fairly regularly skip the jumps because, no big whoop.  The system as setup cannot operate without the relays just as modern earth civilization cannot operate without cheap oil.  The entire world social structure, economics, politics is absolute predicated on CHEAP oil.  That goes and so goes the entire civilization we all know.

You need to actually make a case here rather than spouting platitudes. What will fail, and why will it fail?

No handwaving, no reading more than is offered.

I didn't.

I saw  them using a relay, and figured that they went to a place where the local relay could take them. You're the one who made up additional relay trips, remember.

Joker turned tail and ran, magically left the system, picking up DEAD squadmates who were just there with you in the final fight and harbinger beam.  

Fixed. They don't die in that scene unless your EMS is so low that they don't survive the Normandy crash anyway. And you have no more idea where the Normandy was going, or why, than I do. (Nothing magical about getting to the Charon relay --- yeah, I know, you were on a roll)

If you want to be mad about Bio not telling you what Joker was doing, feel free. But you really shouldn't make up your own answer and then act mad because you don't like the answer you made up for yourself.

And I'm just going to stop quoting at this point since you're repeating yourself.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 mai 2012 - 05:01 .

[Sabriana]

Yes, the damage has been done. I'll not soon forget the first impression the actual ending I chose (after I reloaded, getting over the initial disbelief). My very first thought after watching the red waves and explosions was: 'good heavens, did Shepard just blow up the entire galaxy? Did she just anihilate everything and everyone? By all the gods and their mothers, she did, didn't she?' Only after coming here was I told that it might be different than Arrival. Perhaps. Maybe. Who knows.

However, that was my first impression, and no discussion, clarification, or whatnot can change this. Yes, I saw the reaction of the soldiers after the initial red wave, but that was before the relays exploded. No, I did not get the 'breath' scene. My friend does not have X-box gold, and I don't play MP. Not ever. I don't like it. So both of us were denied that little nugget.

I'm still curious how they will explain everything. Including the 'Joker runs' scenario. I'm assuming nothing. I did see only the crew, and no native inhabitants. Where the planet was, whether it was uncharted or not, inhabited or not is beyond my ken because it was not explained. Nothing was. All I saw was the Normandy fleeing, then the wreck was shown, and Joker plus Garrus and Tali (who were miraculously unscathed, seeing as they both were right behind Shepard at a certain point), stepping out gazing around in wonder and awe.

Just like Varrik in DA2, the ME team left themselves an automatic 'handwave whatever you want, at anytime'. It turns out the story of ME (just like DA2) was told by someone to another someone. I knew about Varrik and his 'elaborations' from the beginning on at least. In ME, I suddenly find out that the whole of it was an oral transmission from one person to another about happening thousands (hundreds?) of years in the past.

So we will see how it all gets explained. It will be fun watching them trying to climb out of some of the deeper plotholes and mindboggling happenings. I wonder how they will go about it. Like I said, some parts of ME3 were excellent. I hope those writers are the ones whose imagination is used to make the EC.

If it's garbage, I'll simply walk away. Nothing lost, nothing gained. I will still keep my eyes on DA3. Definitely. But I'm no ones 'loyal' fan. If a formerly treasured supplier stops producing what I want, they will be left behind. I do not purchase things because of the label. I purchase things I need and/or enjoy. If DA3 is good, they'll get my money, if it's mediocre garbage (like DA2 was for me, personally), they wont. It's as simple as that. I'm nobody's charity, especially not a multi-million dollar corporation's charity.

[Dezerte]

If the EC does not remedy the ending (plotholes, narrative incoherences etc) I think I'm done with the ME universe.

Not writing BioWare off as a whole just yet, there's DA3 in the works and as I understand it they have another group of people working on that (not the ME3 ending writers).

Regardless, unless they go out and apologize for the ME3 ending my faith in BioWare has definitley been damaged.

Modifié par Dezman8, 25 mai 2012 - 06:40 .

[Getorex]

Dezman8 wrote...

If the EC does not remedy the ending (plotholes, narrative incoherences etc) I think I'm done with the ME universe.

Not writing BioWare off as a whole just yet, there's DA3 in the works and as I understand it they have another group of people working on that (not the ME3 ending writers).

Regardless, unless they go out and apologize for the ME3 ending my faith in BioWare has definitley been damaged.

I think you meant to say, "...not the ME3 ending writer", singular, not plural.  Hudson is the one to thank for the ending nonsense.  HE slapped it together without any consideration for the story that came before, even the story that came IMMEDIATELY before the ending in ME3 itself.  

The EC is pure cutscene. No playing, nothing, just passive cutscene to add more yammering to the incoherent ending.  It doesn't change it, it merely expounds upon it.  It doesn't do a damn thing to "Synthetics always turn on their creators" (no they don't).  It doesn't do a thing about, "I created synthetics to kill organics before their own synthetics can do the job...BUT my synthetics will use their synthetics to HELP kill them off" (Reapers, the star turd's synthetics, used the geth, the quarian-created synthetics, to kill organics.  WTF?  Looks like star bastard was 'salting the site' by FORCING geth synthetics to "turn on" their creators even though it was against their actual will!).

This nonsense is NOT being fixed. 

Modifié par Getorex, 25 mai 2012 - 02:22 .

[Sabriana]

I don't know about Walters and Hudson and their alleged 'writing the ending themselves'. It's never been confirmed as far as I know. The ME team has never been very open and accessible to their fans, nor have they interacted with them on the level the DA team has. That's one of the biggest reasons I still will keep my eyes on DA3. I do favor the DA team, and have not given up hope, simply because of that.

I can't deny that it seems very much like a completely different team of writers (be it 2 or more) has written the endings and somehow slipped it past screen testing, peer reviewing, and whatnot, but it seems that Casey Hudson, who is the creator of ME, would not allow his creation to be mangled like this. It's his legacy, he could go down in game-dev history with ME, why would he throw this away? It's highly illogical, but well, things happen. Perhaps he got tired of it, who knows.

I'm not willing to lay the blame on two individuals just yet. I've not seen anything confirming that Walters and Hudson are solely responsible for the ending. However, I may have missed the confirmation, my interest in ME is waning, being replaced by indifference.

If the team members that wrote Tuchanke, Rannoch, Mording, Wrex, and Jack are working on the EC, there is hope. ME team Bioware is engaging in much lawyer-speak nowadays. Who knows what 'adding context, clarification and explanations' really means. I stopped listening to the ME team long ago. Just show me, don't tell me.

Edited because grammar rules is grammar rules

Modifié par Sabriana, 25 mai 2012 - 07:11 .

[LightningSamus]

Then it sucks.