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[Makrys]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I love how the OP just wants this to crash and burn ASAP. Its like he made a bad joke and everyone in the room is ripping him for it. XD

Huh? Hardly 'everyone in the room' is against the OP's premise... There are plenty of people who agree with him.

True... and that's kind of sad.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Makrys wrote...

True... and that's kind of sad.

Yeah, people who have opinions on things really bum me out too.

[richard_rider]

I think it's cute...they should watch "Fleet and Flotilla".

[Makrys]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Makrys wrote...

True... and that's kind of sad.

Yeah, people who have opinions on things really bum me out too.

Opinions are glorious. But how is Garrus and Tali hooking up before the end of the universe such a terrible tragedy?Yep, disastrous! Come. On. It's like we have to find other little things to complain about. I thought it was sweet, but I guess there are people that will even nit pick about this sort of thing too.

*sigh* Whatever. Carry on with your opinions. It's just sad that some people have a problem with two fantastic characters liking eachother and getting together before the end of all things. That's my opinion.

Modifié par Makrys, 03 mai 2012 - 06:45 .

[Unschuld]

Why should it really matter to anyone that has no intention on romancing them... that's what I don't get.

[Errationatus]

thefallen2far wrote...

That's good, because I don't believe you.
[/b]

*Shrug*

It's not that hard, really.  We're just talking laterally and you just seem to be lower than everyone else.  Maybe if you relax and realize it's not a big deal, you'll feel better.

*Yawn*

I don't remember anyone making that arguement -- oh, yeah.  You make up comments to argue with because you have no relative point to the subject at hand.

SRS, I have called thee true.  Here, look you, another sufferer.  Or is that insufferable?  Same diff in BSN.

I really hope you're being ironic.  If you don't  get the irony there, then I'm going to feel really awkward responding with words with more than 3 syllables.

Indisputiably, my loquacious paragonically assclownic tardtanial masturabatantorly jagofftologically-challenged asstardological whippersnipper.

Are you, like, 12? I never consider that a possibility on these things.

You'd have to possess the ability to actually reason to do so, if I'm not mistaken. 

The swears made me think you were older, but your reasoning and maturity.....

I know, I'm bafflingly mysterious, right?  It freaks me out too. 

Dig it:  I did this thing last night, yeah, and it was freaky-weird. I've done it a couple times, actually, but I don't want to overload you, man, but check it -  I was sitting here, like, in front of the interweb machine, and this feeling came all over me...  my eyelids got heavy and started to close without my permission.  So I did this thing, man, listen to this, it's awesome like Joey-Ramone-choking-out-Justin-Beiber awesome, I went and laid down, right? - and it was a good thing that I did because... WHAM!!!  I was totally unconscious for maybe seven, eight hours! 

CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT MADNESS? 

Then I woke up.  I came to - just like that.  I didn't have to do anything, like, make no choices.  It just HAPPENED.

See how freaky things are for me?  This stuff follow me around, dude! 

As to maturity, well, all I can say is that I've seen and touched - without any adult supervision or religious sanction - real naked boobies, and personally as far as I'm concerned, that is all any man needs to be considered mature.  Even gay ones.

Gay men, not gay boobies.  Just to avoid the confusion.

Go Garrus and Tali. 

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 03 mai 2012 - 06:48 .

[GuardianAngel470]

omgodzilla wrote...

I had no idea people would find this so offensive.

I don't see why. You've just done one of several things: 1) Declared your dislike for two extremely popular characters, 2) declared your willingness to prevent two adults from becoming romantically involved despite having no personal interest in either adult, 3) disrespected the validity of mutual attraction, or 4) attempted to enforce a military regulation that has never, ever applied to this universe while in the process inadvertantly implying the previous three points.

I can understand RP'ing your Shepard to adhere to modern day military regs, but asking us, the community, if it's possible to force that personal choice on your crew is just asking for a violent reaction.

[ThatDancingTurian]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

omgodzilla wrote...

I had no idea people would find this so offensive.

I don't see why. You've just done one of several things: 1) Declared your dislike for two extremely popular characters, 2) declared your willingness to prevent two adults from becoming romantically involved despite having no personal interest in either adult, 3) disrespected the validity of mutual attraction, or 4) attempted to enforce a military regulation that has never, ever applied to this universe while in the process inadvertantly implying the previous three points.

I can understand RP'ing your Shepard to adhere to modern day military regs, but asking us, the community, if it's possible to force that personal choice on your crew is just asking for a violent reaction.

I don't see the OP doing any of those things. Was there something more there at some point that got deleted? If not, those are a lot of assumptions to make.

I also don't see how having an opinion on anything in this game is 'just asking for a violent reaction'.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 03 mai 2012 - 07:19 .

[sinatron]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Oh for the love of God, what are you yapping about?  Read through the discussion we were having first, if you'd like a response, because you clearly took the paragraph I wrote completely out of context.  Thank you and good night.

I read the entire discussion. That's how I, and several others, understood it. Especially due to your earlier comments and the way your "discussion" partner was replying.
Considering the way he praised me, he understood it the exact same way.
Could be us, could be you. Doesn't matter. That's the impression given to, at least, several people.

Claiming I took it out of context doesn't help anyone. You could have used your time to properly explain what you meant instead of trying to make it seem like I was just trying to put you in a bad light.
Comments like " They don't have lives going on in the background, because they don't actually exist outside of fiction" exactly proves what I understood and how several others understood it.

So no, I did not take your "paragraph out of context". If we misunderstood, then kindly explain yourself properly. Miscommunication can happen. Doesn't matter how it happened.

Modifié par sinatron, 03 mai 2012 - 09:09 .

[Oransel]

My problem with their romance is that it was not hinted at all in 3 games. They were good friends to each other, just as they were good friends with Wrex or Liara, but it felt so... Strange. It's like Liara would suddenly end up with Dr. Chakwas if you haven't romanced her.

Modifié par Oransel, 03 mai 2012 - 09:27 .

[VarrenSoldier]

Don't go down to the battery and just deal with it.

[InglouriousBosh-Tets]

JakeMacDon wrote...

thefallen2far wrote...

That's good, because I don't believe you.
[/b]

*Shrug*

It's not that hard, really.  We're just talking laterally and you just seem to be lower than everyone else.  Maybe if you relax and realize it's not a big deal, you'll feel better.

*Yawn*

I don't remember anyone making that arguement -- oh, yeah.  You make up comments to argue with because you have no relative point to the subject at hand.

SRS, I have called thee true.  Here, look you, another sufferer.  Or is that insufferable?  Same diff in BSN.

I really hope you're being ironic.  If you don't  get the irony there, then I'm going to feel really awkward responding with words with more than 3 syllables.

Indisputiably, my loquacious paragonically assclownic tardtanial masturabatantorly jagofftologically-challenged asstardological whippersnipper.

Are you, like, 12? I never consider that a possibility on these things.

You'd have to possess the ability to actually reason to do so, if I'm not mistaken. 

The swears made me think you were older, but your reasoning and maturity.....

I know, I'm bafflingly mysterious, right?  It freaks me out too. 

Dig it:  I did this thing last night, yeah, and it was freaky-weird. I've done it a couple times, actually, but I don't want to overload you, man, but check it -  I was sitting here, like, in front of the interweb machine, and this feeling came all over me...  my eyelids got heavy and started to close without my permission.  So I did this thing, man, listen to this, it's awesome like Joey-Ramone-choking-out-Justin-Beiber awesome, I went and laid down, right? - and it was a good thing that I did because... WHAM!!!  I was totally unconscious for maybe seven, eight hours! 

CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT MADNESS? 

Then I woke up.  I came to - just like that.  I didn't have to do anything, like, make no choices.  It just HAPPENED.

See how freaky things are for me?  This stuff follow me around, dude! 

As to maturity, well, all I can say is that I've seen and touched - without any adult supervision or religious sanction - real naked boobies, and personally as far as I'm concerned, that is all any man needs to be considered mature.  Even gay ones.

Gay men, not gay boobies.  Just to avoid the confusion.

Go Garrus and Tali. 

Let me paint you a picture: it's 4am, I'm laying on my couch browsing this thread and I get to your comments. Seconds later, I swear to Baby Jesus, the cookie in my mouth was all over my keyboard. No idea how it happened, but I was too busy laughing like a retarded seal to think about it until now. Props.

P.S. between the jokes/cookie gibs your points are solid. Tali, Garrus, and all the other characters have depth outside of their interactions with Shepard, that's what makes them great. Calling "Dibs!" on any of them and slapping a chastity belt on them in every subsequent playthrough is almost like playing God with the supporting characters. 

P.P.S. Gay boobies...is that even a thing?

Modifié par InglouriousBosh-Tets, 03 mai 2012 - 09:45 .

[Shallyah]

I would have enjoyed a sequence where Liara hits on Tali and Tali rejects her "get your dirty hands off me, you bosh'tet. Not every female in this damn Galaxy is a potential lesbian".

Modifié par Shallyah, 03 mai 2012 - 10:07 .

[Cecilia L]

I don't think anyone here wants to deny Garrus and Tali some love and happiness. It's just that finding love and happiness with each other seems so out of place for their established characters.

I have played Mass Effect1 and 2 A LOT and I honestly cannot say I ever got the impression they liked each other in that way. What I however did pick up on, was Kal'Reegar's admiration for Tali in perhaps more than a purely proffessional way. Tali might not have shown any sign of being in love with him, but at the time she is busy pining for maleShep. I just though in my FemShep playthroughs that Bioware didn't have the resources to add any extra lines about her being interested in him. Also, let's face it, Kal'Reegar is the hottest male quarian around. We may not know what he looks like, but he's brave and devoted and a pretty cool dude.

What I'm saying is that the Tali/Garrus romance seems forced to me. If Tali was to have a romance when not romanced by Shepard, it should have been with Kal'Reegar. And in the rare playthroughs where Garrus istn't with FemShep, he should meet an attractive turian. That would also prove the existence of female turians in the galaxy

Modifié par Cecilia L, 03 mai 2012 - 10:44 .

[Pride Demon]

richard_rider wrote...

I think it's cute...they should watch "Fleet and Flotilla".

They do...

[gmboy902]

I still stand by the "Commander Shepard is the only person allowed to sexytime on this ship" approach.

[gmboy902]

On another note, if you hook up with Tali in ME1, end it in ME2, and she gets all comfy with Garrus in ME3, I wonder if she comments on which one is

um


more

substantial?

[GerojSvK]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Well aren't you guys a couple of dicks.

[Lunkwow]

I liked that the got together when I played with my LI Liara, it makes the game feel more alive.

[Jayleia]

AlexXIV wrote...

Tbh I missed that in my first (and only) playthrough. And I am glad I did. Not because I hate them being happy, but there is a reason I didn't romance Tali. Well, aside from Liara. Simply they could not have children. It would be better for them to romance someone ... matching.

I've heard that same line about real-world people not being able to have children, so they shouldn't be able to romance each other...

...WTH?

[Oransel]

Miranda is unfertile too.

[Mad-Hamlet]

This thread is like watching a train full or war orphans collide with a 747 of puppies.

Puppies that have cancer.

And everyone is arguing why couldn't the ORPHANS have had cancer.

It's that far beyond Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

Modifié par Mad-Hamlet, 03 mai 2012 - 02:12 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

sinatron wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Oh for the love of God, what are you yapping about?  Read through the discussion we were having first, if you'd like a response, because you clearly took the paragraph I wrote completely out of context.  Thank you and good night.

I read the entire discussion. That's how I, and several others, understood it. Especially due to your earlier comments and the way your "discussion" partner was replying.
Considering the way he praised me, he understood it the exact same way.
Could be us, could be you. Doesn't matter. That's the impression given to, at least, several people.

Claiming I took it out of context doesn't help anyone. You could have used your time to properly explain what you meant instead of trying to make it seem like I was just trying to put you in a bad light.
Comments like " They don't have lives going on in the background, because they don't actually exist outside of fiction" exactly proves what I understood and how several others understood it.

So no, I did not take your "paragraph out of context". If we misunderstood, then kindly explain yourself properly. Miscommunication can happen. Doesn't matter how it happened.

You were arguing with a straw man, so I'm not really sure how to respond to your post, given that you misrepresented my point.

If you feel that the characters in Mass Effect really do exist outside of the Mass Effect universe, then you are welcome to believe that.  I just won't agree with you, because it simply isn't true.  Fictional characters by definition do not exist in reality.

So I'm not sure what else I can say to you.  I already acknowledged that in a fictional work, you can assume that fictional characters have fictional lives outside of the fictional protagonist's life.

My point was simply this - the fact that a writer CAN insert things into a story whenever they want doesn't necessarily make what they're inserting consistent or appropriate to the story.

For example, the writers COULD have added any of the following elements to the ME3 story:
1) MaleShep has a sex change operation halfway through the game.
2) Liara leaves the Normandy halfway through the game to become a circus trapese artist.
3) Doctor Chakwas sleeps with every male crew member over the course of the game.

That does not mean, however, that if the writers chose to add these things to the story, that it would be appropriate for them to do so.  I would argue this for the following reasons.
1) MaleShep has never expressed any interest whatsoever in being a woman.  You COULD, however, use the "things happen outside the game" argument to come up with a backstory for this.  For example, while MaleShep is imprisioned, he has a lot of time to meditate on his life, and has the epihany that he'd rather be a woman.

2) Liara has never said anything about the trapese, practiced the trapese, had anything to do with the trapese.  However, she COULD have been keeping her love for the trapese and her desire to join the circus a secret for all this time.

3) Doctor Chakwas has never really expressed a desire for a relationship with someone, and basically keeps to herself most of the time.  However, she COULD be wildly promiscuous when Shep isn't there to see it.

Once again: Just because the writer has license to add elements to a developing story, that doesn't automatically make those elements appropriate to the story.

Oransel wrote...
My problem with their romance is that it
was not hinted at all in 3 games. They were good friends to each other,
just as they were good friends with Wrex or Liara, but it felt so...
Strange. It's like Liara would suddenly end up with Dr. Chakwas if you
haven't romanced her.

^^^My entire argument, expressed in a couple of sentences.  Communicated clearly and succiently, better than I have probably been doing.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 03 mai 2012 - 02:27 .

[DamonD7]

It's rather sweet. I kinda regretted not romancing Tali beforehand (but I wasn't going to switch to her in ME3), so it was nice to see her hooking up quite literally with Garrus.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

JakeMacDon wrote...
As to maturity, well, all I can say is that I've seen and touched - without any adult supervision or religious sanction - real naked boobies, and personally as far as I'm concerned, that is all any man needs to be considered mature. 

I'm surprised you could scrounge up $250 to afford that hour.

But seriously, the fact that you felt the need to express this - let's just say, if anybody doubted your insecurity before...