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Is there a way to stop Tali and Garrus from hooking up?


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#401
sinatron

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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...


You were arguing with a straw man, so I'm not really sure how to respond to your post, given that you misrepresented my point.

If you feel that the characters in Mass Effect really do exist outside of the Mass Effect universe, then you are welcome to believe that.  I just won't agree with you, because it simply isn't true.  Fictional characters by definition do not exist in reality.

So I'm not sure what else I can say to you.  I already acknowledged that in a fictional work, you can assume that fictional characters have fictional lives outside of the fictional protagonist's life.

My point was simply this - the fact that a writer CAN insert things into a story whenever they want doesn't necessarily make what they're inserting consistent or appropriate to the story.

For example, the writers COULD have added any of the following elements to the ME3 story:
1) MaleShep has a sex change operation halfway through the game.
2) Liara leaves the Normandy halfway through the game to become a circus trapese artist.
3) Doctor Chakwas sleeps with every male crew member over the course of the game.

That does not mean, however, that if the writers chose to add these things to the story, that it would be appropriate for them to do so.  I would argue this for the following reasons.
1) MaleShep has never expressed any interest whatsoever in being a woman.  You COULD, however, use the "things happen outside the game" argument to come up with a backstory for this.  For example, while MaleShep is imprisioned, he has a lot of time to meditate on his life, and has the epihany that he'd rather be a woman.

2) Liara has never said anything about the trapese, practiced the trapese, had anything to do with the trapese.  However, she COULD have been keeping her love for the trapese and her desire to join the circus a secret for all this time.

3) Doctor Chakwas has never really expressed a desire for a relationship with someone, and basically keeps to herself most of the time.  However, she COULD be wildly promiscuous when Shep isn't there to see it.

Once again: Just because the writer has license to add elements to a developing story, that doesn't automatically make those elements appropriate to the story.


Thank you. This was all I pretty much wanted to know. Got linked to your topic in a discussion about an upcoming contest regarding short stories. People started discussing the contents of this topic instead of the contest and thus my interest was shifted to here.
I generally don't really bother reading topics about ingame romances, cause they're not really important to me. They're fun to have, but not needed for my pleasure in a game/story.

Your posts just made me rather curious (and somewhat shocked at first, hence the first reply was less than... great) as to whether or not you really believed Shepard had to be around for stuff to happen in the Mass Effect universe. The Leprechaun story made me think so, though it might have been a misunderstanding due to the general tone of the discussion you had and still have with a less than civil discussion partner. Linked to both previous and later posts, it just gave me and my friends the wrong impression due to the hostility and the discussion itself, it seems.
I do not believe that characters from the ME universe exist outside the ME universe, though.

Edit: Though one minor thing. Stress and strong emotions can force you to connect with someone you haven't connected with before. Thus a Tali/Garrus romance would be more... logical? Tali almost lost her entire race to the Geth. Garrus fought a losing war on every front, sending good people in to die. Maybe they just needed comfort in a bad situation. You don't know what goes around in their heads.

Modifié par sinatron, 03 mai 2012 - 11:36 .


#402
Bl0dbathNBeyond

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 Why would you sabotage Tali and Garrus? Haters.


Well, tbh I always sabotage them because my Shepards always go for one or the other of them. :D Sometimes you can't control what other people do in a RPG. I thought the two of them chatted quite a bit and when I found out that in other playthroughs the two hooked up I found it utterly charming. The two of them are just so well-written at this point and I couldn't imagine a ME game without them.

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You know the first thought that cme to my mind when I read the title of the topic, was why would anyone want to be a rooster-obstruction to Garrus.

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sinatron wrote...
Thank you. This was all I pretty much wanted to know. Got linked to your topic in a discussion about an upcoming contest regarding short stories. People started discussing the contents of this topic instead of the contest and thus my interest was shifted to here.
I generally don't really bother reading topics about ingame romances, cause they're not really important to me. They're fun to have, but not needed for my pleasure in a game/story.

Your posts just made me rather curious (and somewhat shocked at first, hence the first reply was less than... great) as to whether or not you really believed Shepard had to be around for stuff to happen in the Mass Effect universe. The Leprechaun story made me think so, though it might have been a misunderstanding due to the general tone of the discussion you had and still have with a less than civil discussion partner. Linked to both previous and later posts, it just gave me and my friends the wrong impression due to the hostility and the discussion itself, it seems.
I do not believe that characters from the ME universe exist outside the ME universe, though.

Edit: Though one minor thing. Stress and strong emotions can force you to connect with someone you haven't connected with before. Thus a Tali/Garrus romance would be more... logical? Tali almost lost her entire race to the Geth. Garrus fought a losing war on every front, sending good people in to die. Maybe they just needed comfort in a bad situation. You don't know what goes around in their heads.


Yeah I think it was a misunderstanding, because what you got from my post definitely was not what I intended to communicate.  But I acknowledge that I might not have explained my point in the clearest terms.  Thanks for keeping it civil.  These discussions can get a little out of control sometimes, LOL.

I get what you're saying in the edit, and I don't disagree.  I'm not here to berate anybody, and if people feel that the writers did a good enough job setting things up, then they're perfectly entitled to have that opinion.

The thing that I find curious is how defensive people get over this trivial issue in the game.  It's seems that some people take the opinions about the Tali/Garrus romance personally.  I guess that just goes to show you how attached people can get to these great characters.

OmegaXI wrote...

You know the first thought that cme to my
mind when I read the title of the topic, was why would anyone want to
be a rooster-obstruction to Garrus.


Maybe it's the same reason as why Garrus would feel the need to make double entendres about "calibrating his gun" with Tali when you are with her.  Garrus is not as cool as a lot of people give him credit for.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 04 mai 2012 - 12:40 .


#405
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CmnDwnWrkn - dude - you want the last word on a topic this asininely unimportant?  Be my guest.

Watching you swing your metaphorical d!ck around was already boring five of your pointless posts ago.

At least I tried to be a bit entertaining. 

Have fun, be the King Crap Tosser, I couldn't give less of a crap were I paid a hundred bucks a minute not to give a crap.  
I was having a larf with a dumb, dumb topic, and you were an excellent foil with your massive anal retentiveness.  But I'm gonna go do less pointless things now, I think, so you have a ball, Monkey-king. You, your tedious ego and your flappy wee-wee.

Don't worry - I'll be around to see how predictable any response might be. 

Go on, I'm sure it'll be awesome.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 04 mai 2012 - 01:37 .


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*sigh* Reminds me of the Haer'Dalis/Aerie romance that got some folks whining back in BG2 days. Heck, he dared compete directly with you, the horror!

I just wonder what planet people are on that sex needs to have "build up" or "foreshadowing". Heck, some folks seem to find *foreplay* a bit too much to manage.

Besides which, there's a lot of talk in the game that can be foreshadowing. Aside from the Tali/Garrus dialogues, you also have Garrus talking about how Turians like to get it on before nasty missions. Remember the whole "reach & flexibility" story?

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JakeMacDon wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn - dude - you want the last word on a topic this asininely unimportant?  Be my guest.

Watching you swing your metaphorical d!ck around was already boring five of your pointless posts ago.

At least I tried to be a bit entertaining. 

Have fun, be the King Crap Tosser, I couldn't give less of a crap were I paid a hundred bucks a minute not to give a crap.  
I was having a larf with a dumb, dumb topic, and you were an excellent foil with your massive anal retentiveness.  But I'm gonna go do less pointless things now, I think, so you have a ball, Monkey-king. You, your tedious ego and your flappy wee-wee.

Don't worry - I'll be around to see how predictable any response might be. 

Go on, I'm sure it'll be awesome.


That's great.  Maybe one day you'll decide to post something remotely close to on-topic.  You've filled your posts with more references to "******" than I can count.  I'm sure there's forums for masturbation addicts out there - perhaps that would be a more appropriate venue for your wildly incoherent ramblings.  Take care. <3

Vormaerin wrote...
I just
wonder what planet people are on that sex needs to have "build up" or
"foreshadowing". Heck, some folks seem to find *foreplay* a bit too
much to manage.


LMAO - you wouldn't know in your world of $2.99/min webcams

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 04 mai 2012 - 02:38 .


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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

omgodzilla wrote...

I had no idea people would find this so offensive.


I don't see why. You've just done one of several things: 1) Declared your dislike for two extremely popular characters, 2) declared your willingness to prevent two adults from becoming romantically involved despite having no personal interest in either adult, 3) disrespected the validity of mutual attraction, or 4) attempted to enforce a military regulation that has never, ever applied to this universe while in the process inadvertantly implying the previous three points.

I can understand RP'ing your Shepard to adhere to modern day military regs, but asking us, the community, if it's possible to force that personal choice on your crew is just asking for a violent reaction.



No

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TX-Toast wrote...

M920CAIN wrote...




Garrus & Tali are also known to be teasing each other. Remember the shotgun talk while on the Citadel, or the "why don't I get a new gun" talk on the Geth Dreadnought? There's definetely some sparks there.

Really? Those were sparks? I heard both those lines in my me2/3 playthrough and I romanced Tali.:unsure:


Well yeah, but technically speaking you heard those dialogues before getting intimate both in the 2nd and 3rd game so it's pretty much fair game between Shepard and Garrus regarding winning over Tali's heart. It would've been actually great if u had to compete with Garrus over Tali, maybe Garrus pushing u on the side and asking u "so Shepard, are you serious with Tali? cause if you aren't and u break her sweet lil heart I might just have to use u for target practice" :o

EDIT: Romances shouldn't just be Shepard putting all the ladies in a straight military line and choosing who to mate with u kno... it's funnier when they're playing hard to get or when other characters are giving u a bit of challenge.

Modifié par M920CAIN, 05 mai 2012 - 05:54 .


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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

omgodzilla wrote...

I had no idea people would find this so offensive.


I don't see why. You've just done one of several things: 1) Declared your dislike for two extremely popular characters, 2) declared your willingness to prevent two adults from becoming romantically involved despite having no personal interest in either adult, 3) disrespected the validity of mutual attraction, or 4) attempted to enforce a military regulation that has never, ever applied to this universe while in the process inadvertantly implying the previous three points.

I can understand RP'ing your Shepard to adhere to modern day military regs, but asking us, the community, if it's possible to force that personal choice on your crew is just asking for a violent reaction.

I don't see the OP doing any of those things. Was there something more there at some point that got deleted? If not, those are a lot of assumptions to make. :huh:

I also don't see how having an opinion on anything in this game is 'just asking for a violent reaction'.


I guess you've never spent any time in the Character forums, huh? Let me put it this way: the only ME-related discussion as likely to cause a flame war as discussing "Keyboard/mouse vs Controller" or "PC vs Console" is a discussion about Love Interests. People are extremely attached to these characters.

And yes, the OP's post did at least one of those points (#2) without providing sufficient rationale to justify the question. Hence the cockblocking comment on the first page.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 05 mai 2012 - 06:04 .


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omgodzilla wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

omgodzilla wrote...

I had no idea people would find this so offensive.


I don't see why. You've just done one of several things: 1) Declared your dislike for two extremely popular characters, 2) declared your willingness to prevent two adults from becoming romantically involved despite having no personal interest in either adult, 3) disrespected the validity of mutual attraction, or 4) attempted to enforce a military regulation that has never, ever applied to this universe while in the process inadvertantly implying the previous three points.

I can understand RP'ing your Shepard to adhere to modern day military regs, but asking us, the community, if it's possible to force that personal choice on your crew is just asking for a violent reaction.



No




That's why its a conditional, not an absolute.