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[Siran]

Happens in real life, too - sometimes you don't see it coming and your secret crush hangs out with someone else

And the way I see it "I'm happy for you" can just be as renegade. What if Shep means it in a sarcastic or ironic and dishonest way, but just delivers the line convincingly - you never know...

[JerusPI]

Does it Really matter? Sheps never going to see any of them again

[stysiaq]

Garrus x Tali makes the same sense as Shep x Garrus or Shep x Tali. The scene was quite cute and funny tbh. Also, I really was happy that there is any non-shep relationship.

Also, Deathstroke got it right.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

stysiaq wrote...

Garrus x Tali makes the same sense as Shep x Garrus or Shep x Tali. The scene was quite cute and funny tbh. Also, I really was happy that there is any non-shep relationship.

Also, Deathstroke got it right.

It makes no sense at all, actually.  Tali saying "I'm only using you for your body," despite likely still being a virgin?  Or Garrus spending all of ME2 keeping to himself doing calibrations and the like?  Now all of a sudden he's Leisure Suit Garrus mackin on the ladies?  Give me a break.

[omgodzilla]

Deathstroke123 wrote...

omgodzilla wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

Well aren't you guys a couple of dicks.

Indeed. Also, I wish people would stop putting the "douchebag"label on Renegade.

Well, for ME1 and ME2, I'd agree, but with the exception of 3 or 4 awesome renegade interrupts, Renegade pretty much is douche for ME3.

Renegade Shepard was a much bigger douche in the first two games. Most of the stuff Shepard says in ME3 is autodialogue. Almost all of the autodialogue is either neutral or paragonish. Even the actualy renegade dialogue options we get are waaaay friendlier in this game. In the past games, we were able to treat out squadmates like crap. We can't do that in ME3. Yeah there are a few renegade options that can be consdered super extreme (ie-killing Mordin, or Samara's daughter) but they're pretty few in number. Overall, the ME3 renegade is a much more reasonable and less intimidating individual.

I wasn't aware allowing genocide, betraying and killing multiple friends, and having zero remorse for anything outside of the mission was considered 'friendly', especially compared to the ME2 renegade Shep, who can, oh noes, be RUDE to people!

Moron.

What renegade option allows you to commit genocide? The Geth/Quarian ones don't count. Neither of them is a renegade decision. Or are you talking about the Krogan? In that case, Shepard had a very good reason to betray the Krogan. He had to do it to get Salarian aid. As far as he knew, the Krogan wouldn't find about how he sabatoged the genophage cure. How was he suppoesed to know that Wrex had another contact in the STG? He needed as much aid as he could possibly get to fight the Reapers. At the time it seemed like destroying the cure would guarantee him aid from both the Krogan AND the Salarians. Yeah, shooting Mordin was a dick move but what the hell can you do? If Mordin were to suceed then Shepard wouldn't get aid from the Salarians. As for killing Wrex, again, what the hell was Shepard suppoesed to do? Wrex was the one trying to kill him. That was self-defence. I don't know what other renegade decision ends up killing your friends. The renegade interrupts on Legion seemed brutal but he would die even if you didn't shoot him, so its not like the interrupt changes anything. Again, commiting genocide on the geth or the quarians can't be considered a renegade decision. If you don't have enough persuasion points for peace, then you HAVE to pick between one of the two races. In the past two games, alot of the renegade decisions were unjustifiable. Shepard was just being a dick for no reason. Pretty much every renegade decision in ME3 is justifiable.

Modifié par omgodzilla, 30 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[Zaxares]

I thought the Tali-Garrus hookup made quite a bit of sense. They're the only two dextro-individuals on the ship, they've known each other for years now by being on Shepard's crew, and once Tali comes on board in ME3, there's a bunch of location dialogue where you can hear Tali hinting to Garrus that she likes him, although it takes him a while to realise it because he's apparently relationship-dense. (Like him not getting that Dr Michel's gift of chocolates to him means something more.)

[Unholyknight800]

I imagine it would require alot of precautions and planning to consummate their relationship. Sharing Dextro DNA puts Tali at risk.

[OriginalNameGuy]

Rest in Peace Scumbag Shepard.

ME1-ME2. You loved treating your crew like dirt, but now things have changed.

[Napier93]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I loved that the characters didn't exist to only respond to the player's whims (a huge pet peeve I have in RPGs in general) and felt that it was a great scene. Hilarious too!

One of the areas where ME3 def improved on its predecesors. Sadly it was let down by other areas.

[felipejiraya]

I can totally see my Shepard doing this with Garrus after he discovers they're together.

[stysiaq]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

Garrus x Tali makes the same sense as Shep x Garrus or Shep x Tali. The scene was quite cute and funny tbh. Also, I really was happy that there is any non-shep relationship.

Also, Deathstroke got it right.

It makes no sense at all, actually.  Tali saying "I'm only using you for your body," despite likely still being a virgin?  Or Garrus spending all of ME2 keeping to himself doing calibrations and the like?  Now all of a sudden he's Leisure Suit Garrus mackin on the ladies?  Give me a break.

Using these kind of arguments can prove that actually no relationship in ME makes sense. Come on, a few talks and Tali is all over you all of a sudden? A few talks and Liara is yours, beside being a child in Asari terms? Or wanting to restore the relationship (by anyone) which looks like this:

1. few talks and a single sexy time (Liara/VS)
2. 2 years dead
3. few talks an a sexy time (ME2 relationship) over a couple of months
4. half a year of being in custody

Seriously.

You have to believe that things happen off-screen, just as you do with Shepard, am I right?

also, haven't you ever made a dirty joke? You don't have to have sex to do it.

[Zolt51]

Greylycantrope wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Tbh I missed that in my first (and only) playthrough. And I am glad I did. Not because I hate them being happy, but there is a reason I didn't romance Tali. Well, aside from Liara. Simply they could not have children. It would be better for them to romance someone ... matching. I don't know why they suddenly fall in love either. I mean there was never any tension or anything and suddenly for no reason ... bam. Blah bad writing etc rant. I really don't know why I bother with Bioware or this forum still. It just shows me again and again why I shouldn't be here or play their games at all.

Having kids is not a requirement for establishing a romance. Miranda is barren, is she to be denied a romance on that fact alone? Tali and Garrus have been with Shep through all three games, them establishing a bond made sense to me.

I think AlexXIV trying to make some kind of covert homophobic statement actually.

By the way, it's lycantHrope. Own name fail!

[wolfstanus]

I romanced tali... Garry's got turian chocolate from a Normandy crew member. Tali says somthing about and Garus was surprised and happy about it.

[Unholyknight800]

Michel totally has the hots for Garrus.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

stysiaq wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

Garrus x Tali makes the same sense as Shep x Garrus or Shep x Tali. The scene was quite cute and funny tbh. Also, I really was happy that there is any non-shep relationship.

Also, Deathstroke got it right.

It makes no sense at all, actually.  Tali saying "I'm only using you for your body," despite likely still being a virgin?  Or Garrus spending all of ME2 keeping to himself doing calibrations and the like?  Now all of a sudden he's Leisure Suit Garrus mackin on the ladies?  Give me a break.

Using these kind of arguments can prove that actually no relationship in ME makes sense. Come on, a few talks and Tali is all over you all of a sudden? A few talks and Liara is yours, beside being a child in Asari terms? Or wanting to restore the relationship (by anyone) which looks like this:

1. few talks and a single sexy time (Liara/VS)
2. 2 years dead
3. few talks an a sexy time (ME2 relationship) over a couple of months
4. half a year of being in custody

Seriously.

You have to believe that things happen off-screen, just as you do with Shepard, am I right?

also, haven't you ever made a dirty joke? You don't have to have sex to do it.

Yes, but SOME stuff actually has to happen in the game to make it believeable.  I could just say off the top of my head that the entire Normandy crew has bi-sexual orgies every night, but that wouldn't make sense given the complete lack of context for such an event in the game. 

Zaxares wrote...

I thought the Tali-Garrus hookup made
quite a bit of sense. They're the only two dextro-individuals on the
ship, they've known each other for years now by being on Shepard's crew,
and once Tali comes on board in ME3, there's a bunch of location
dialogue where you can hear Tali hinting to Garrus that she likes him,
although it takes him a while to realise it because he's apparently
relationship-dense. (Like him not getting that Dr Michel's gift of
chocolates to him means something more.)

In ME2 they had an Easter Egg's worth of dialogue.  They don't even talk to each other when you bring one on the other's recruitment mission.  It was thrown in as a joke to lighten the serious tone of the impending battle.  It makes as much sense as Shepard fist-pumping on the dance floor.  No more; no less.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 30 avril 2012 - 03:39 .

[KingNothing125]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Yes, but SOME stuff actually has to happen in the game to make it believeable.  I could just say off the top of my head that the entire Normandy crew has bi-sexual orgies every night, but that wouldn't make sense given the complete lack of context for such an event in the game. 

some stuff does happen.

and stuff happens in the previous games too.

[moater boat]

omgodzilla wrote...

Is there a way to stop them from getting together without resorting to ignoring, killing or romancing one of them? It just feels weird to have my renegade Shep say "I'm happy for you two". God damn autodialogue...

Renegade means badass who will do anything to get the job done
Not
I want everyone to be miserable

[Esquin]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I loved that the characters didn't exist to only respond to the player's whims (a huge pet peeve I have in RPGs in general) and felt that it was a great scene. Hilarious too!

This. The characters aren't tools for you to arrange as you want. They act on their own as well and this is a great indication of something happening without your input for once.

[varcety]

I can't believe on you people...

[CmnDwnWrkn]

KingNothing125 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Yes, but SOME stuff actually has to happen in the game to make it believeable.  I could just say off the top of my head that the entire Normandy crew has bi-sexual orgies every night, but that wouldn't make sense given the complete lack of context for such an event in the game. 

some stuff does happen.

and stuff happens in the previous games too.

Okay, this is just getting goofy.  I changed my mind - the asexual elevator banter in ME2 truly does lay the foundation for the greatest love story ever told.  I'm surprised they didn't have sex right there in the middle of the Citadel with how hot & heavy that exchange was!

[Jas2250]

felipejiraya wrote...

I can totally see my Shepard doing this with Garrus after he discovers they're together.

^ This

[sammysoso]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I loved that the characters didn't exist to only respond to the player's whims (a huge pet peeve I have in RPGs in general) and felt that it was a great scene. Hilarious too!

This. Thank you for this Allan

That's what I feel everytime I see threads like "I wanna be able sleep with every freakin character" (took some liberties with the wording) or get mad that Shepard isn't worshiped/blindly followed by every character.

The setting and the characters need to be defined and varied for the universe to be believable, and to be able to tell great stories. Shepard needs to be challenged, and may not get everything (s)he wants.

[kalasaurus]

wiggles89 wrote...

lol at people getting upset at the OP.

Yep.  It was just a question.  Maybe some people wanted the option to say something other than they are happy for them?  Some people want to be mean about it, even if it doesnt mean sabotaging the relationship.  I wouldnt, but if you wanna be a dick in an rpg... well it is an rpg.

[KingNothing125]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Okay, this is just getting goofy.  I changed my mind - the asexual elevator banter in ME2 truly does lay the foundation for the greatest love story ever told.  I'm surprised they didn't have sex right there in the middle of the Citadel with how hot & heavy that exchange was!

Your exaggeration does you no credit.

You wanted something to happen in the game that makes their initiating a hookup at the very end of ME3 plausible.

You have been presented with casual conversation throughout the series, conversation that takes a decidedly flirtatious tone in ME3 (the video even leaves out the lines on the Geth dreadnaught), which puts the Tali+Garrus scene at the end in a quite believable light.

What else do you want?