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[Rodia Driftwood]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Well aren't you guys a couple of dicks.

Screw it. This is all I gotta say about this thread. 

[PsyrenY]

AlexXIV wrote...

They don't love each other. They just make out because Bioware told them so anyway. Just saying.

Maybe they do love each other, maybe they don't and break up immediately after the war. People often hook up in stressful situations.

As long as you didn't romance either of them, it's none of your business. They're adults.

[tvman099]

Optimystic_X wrote...

tvman099 wrote...

No buildup, no foreshadowing.

KingNothing125 wrote...

some stuff does happen.

and stuff happens in the previous games too.

 

Did you follow the first link?

Idle chitchat and reminiscing between friends is flirting now? Liara has similar chats with other members of the crew, as does Wrex on a couple of occasions. Hell, Wrex is a lot more flirtatious with Liara than Garrus and Tali are with each other during any of those conversations.

It's random and out of place.

Modifié par tvman099, 30 avril 2012 - 08:15 .

[Kaelthyn117]

why do you guys find it so, i dont know wrong?

if you dont want tali hooking up with garrus or vice versa just romance one of them... where is the problem 

As Yeoman Chambers said in ME 2, gender and species doesnt matter, character matters and if you dont want them hooking up, i believe that you like one of the 2

And to be honest, Tali, Garrus and Liara are the best characters in this game. Ok lets include Joker, Thane and Wrex because they are awesome too

[KingNothing125]

tvman099 wrote...

Idle chitchat and reminiscing between friends is flirting now? Liara has similar chats with other members of the crew, as does Wrex on a couple of occasions. Hell, Wrex is a lot more flirtatious with Liara than Garrus and Tali are with each other during any of those conversations.

It's random and out of place.

You seriously don't hear the flirtatious intonations in their voices? I get that it's hard to read signals some times, especially for dudes... but come on... it's as plain as day. Even the very first conversations they have with each other when you go to the Geth dreadnaught are dripping with flirtation.

Modifié par KingNothing125, 30 avril 2012 - 08:29 .

[PsyrenY]

tvman099 wrote...

Idle chitchat and reminiscing between friends is flirting now?

No, flirting is flirting.

[count_4]

AlexXIV wrote...
Tbh I missed that in my first (and only) playthrough. And I am glad I did. Not because I hate them being happy, but there is a reason I didn't romance Tali. Simply they could not have children. It would be better for them to romance someone ... matching.

I can almost imagine you in a RL bar or something.

Hot girl: Hi there!
You: Are you a fertile specimen of the human race? 
Hot girl: I...should go.

[KingNothing125]

count_4 wrote...

I can almost imagine you in a RL bar or something.

Hot girl: Hi there!
You: Are you a fertile specimen of the human race? 
Hot girl: I...should go.

I lol'd irl.

[tvman099]

KingNothing125 wrote...

tvman099 wrote...

Idle
chitchat and reminiscing between friends is flirting now? Liara has
similar chats with other members of the crew, as does Wrex on a couple
of occasions. Hell, Wrex is a lot more flirtatious with Liara than
Garrus and Tali are with each other during any of those conversations.

It's random and out of place.

You seriously don't hear the flirtatious intonations in their voices? I get that it's hard to read signals some times, especially for dudes... but come on... it's as plain as day. Even the very first conversations they have with each other when you go to the Geth dreadnaught is dripping with flirtation.

I've never taken Garrus aboard the dreadnought.

Anyway, no. I don't see them getting all flirty with each other. Like I said, I just see them talking about all the weird and stressful stuff they've seen together during their time on the Normandy. Being non-humans and dextros, it would certainly help to create a bond between them. But "dripping with flirtation" is hardly how I'd describe it. To clarify about where I'm coming from, there was a girl I became very close friends with when I spent about a year doing volunteer work in Africa. We spent almost every day together during that time, and had our fair share of intense experiences. We worked with people so poor they couldn't even afford pants, spent weeks visiting people dying of AIDS that had been cast out by their families, ran soup kitchens in shanty towns, and stuff like that. Obviously it wasn't war, but it's not something you forget about either. In spite of this, the bond we developed never was and still isn't a romantic one. On the infrequent occasions we've seen each other since, it's been very easy to fall back into the same rapport and talk about that time, but that's as far as it goes. It's very similar in tone to the random chats your ME1 squadmates have with each other on the Normandy, Tali/Garrus included. I didn't expect to find Garrus paying Liara a special visit any more than I expected Tali to pay Garrus one. It was one of those "well that was random, but whatever" moments for me.

Modifié par tvman099, 30 avril 2012 - 08:42 .

[Zaalbar]

Man I loved that Tali and Garrus hooked up, I found it surprising.
The one thing that's been missing from these games is romantic involvement between the squad, its great and all that we the player can romance who we like but having squad members hook up from no interference from the player just makes the game far more immersive imo.

[KingNothing125]

tvman099 wrote...

I've never taken Garrus aboard the dreadnought.

Well you should. It adds a pinch more context.

Anyways, I wouldn't expect Garrus and Liara to get tangled up either, I don't hear any flirtation in either of their voices when they converse with each other.

It's hard to describe, but I hear it quite clearly between Tali and Garrus. Tali especially, early on. Garrus is kind of oblivious to her signals, but he catches on during the "wait, what did you mean?" conversation.

[FOX216BC]

Romance Tali or Garrus in ME2.
That should fix it...
As for myself i'm happy for them.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

tvman099 wrote...

I thought it was weird because ME2 hinted quite heavily at the possibility of something happening between Tali and Kal'Reegar. Then they kill him off in an e-mail and suddenly Garrus and Tali are together. No buildup, no foreshadowing. You just walk in on them. I didn't really care about it but I thought it was completely pointless and random.

Exactly!  The main problem I had with it is that Tali and Garrus are the two major characters that are with you in all 3 games as squadmates.  As major characters, any romance between the two really should be better developed.  Throwing the two of them together at the end with some auto-dialogue comes across as cheap and forced.

You can potentially choose them to accompany you for the majority of missions in the series.  Given that there was zero dialogue between them in ME2 (aside from an "Easter Egg", which doesn't count by definition), it seems odd that all of a sudden they're into each other.  Hell, Shepard and Niftu Cal The Biotic God "flirted" more in ME2 than Tali and Garrus did.

As major characters, Tali and Garrus deserve better than a token "romance".

[thefallen2far]

I'd just ignore it. I wish they didn't do it too, it's just another one of those "auto dialogue" things you can't control, I guess rreflecting life when your "frat brother" hooks up with your "younger sister".

I thought Tali would have hooked up with Kal Re'ger or Kaiden. Garrus seemed more like a guy that would hook up with Ashley or Liara.

I think it was just weird hearing them hook up after creating 2 characters that hooked up with them and it was kind of an involved issue of hooking up with them. With Tali, the whole "immune system" thing and with Garrus it was a "I'm ugly, we're different species" thing that he had troubles getting over. Apparently, it wasn't that much of a problem for them... also, Tali goes off forever aout a home on Rannoch when Shepard and Tali're together and she's just "using him for his body", I kinda just rolled my eyes at that. I kinda felt it was just on of those "fan eggs" that some people were asking for and they threw in even if it doesn't really fit. It's like they listen to the vocal minority about this RPG elements and the Mako, but the ending is sacrosanct because of "artistic integrity.

Yeah, I just ignore it.

[Linksys17]

Have one or both of them die on the suicide mission, evil psychic shephard laugh

[AlexXIV]

KingNothing125 wrote...

count_4 wrote...

I can almost imagine you in a RL bar or something.

Hot girl: Hi there!
You: Are you a fertile specimen of the human race? 
Hot girl: I...should go.

I lol'd irl.

What's funny about that? That's important information.

You can ask any krogan.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 30 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[nitefyre410]

Why does them hooking up bother people so much?... really its not the big of a deal.

[AlexXIV]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Why does them hooking up bother people so much?... really its not the big of a deal.

It doesn't bother me so much. I just wish Bioware would stop taking cheap shots. It's the same as "everyone is bi". They break characters that way. That's like as if Morrigan and Alistair fall in love at the end of DA:O just because the Warden picks Zevran or Leliana or something. It is basically reducing characters to fanservice. They know people may want to see that happen and so do it, completely disregarding character's personality. I mean if they had built it up from ME1 over ME2 to ME3 where you can see that they really like each other, but there is nothing like that. It is poor writing and belittles the game, the writers and the characters. They should just stop doing things because they think "that would be cool" or something. Characters are supposed to have personality and act accordingly and situations develop accordingly. But Bioware sometimes just seems to mesh stuff together randomly because they think it is a good idea at the time.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 30 avril 2012 - 02:52 .

[nitefyre410]

AlexXIV wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Why does them hooking up bother people so much?... really its not the big of a deal.

It doesn't bother me so much. I just wish Bioware would stop taking cheap shots. It's the same as "everyone is bi". They break characters that way. That's like as if Morrigan and Alistair fall in love at the end of DA:O just because the Warden picks Zevran or Leliana or something. It is basically reducing characters to fanservice. They know people may want to see that happen and so do it, completely disregarding character's personality. I mean if they had built it up from ME1 over ME2 to ME3 where you can see that they really like each other, but there is nothing like that. It is poor writing and belittles the game, the writers and the characters. They should just stop doing things because they think "that would be cool" or something. Characters are supposed to have personality and act accordingly and situations develop accordingly. But Bioware sometimes just seems to mesh stuff together randomly because they think it is a good idea at the time.

 

So  I will ask you the same question I have been asking myself... Is Bioware as good  as we want them to be at writing? Or is most of this disappointment due the fact they we built them up to great   before they was really any greatness there. 

I agree  with you one of my  biggest grips about  Bioware is there is no really meaty character development , friendship become romance  and opposites attract all the time but it takes  development. You can't just throw two characters together because for the hell of it.

[The Angry One]

AlexXIV wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

count_4 wrote...

I can almost imagine you in a RL bar or something.

Hot girl: Hi there!
You: Are you a fertile specimen of the human race? 
Hot girl: I...should go.

I lol'd irl.

What's funny about that? That's important information.

You can ask any krogan.

Well if you also headbutt others for dominance then yes it would be a reasonable pickup line.

[Pallid]

AlexXIV wrote...
It doesn't bother me so much. I just wish Bioware would stop taking cheap shots. It's the same as "everyone is bi". They break characters that way. That's like as if Morrigan and Alistair fall in love at the end of DA:O just because the Warden picks Zevran or Leliana or something. It is basically reducing characters to fanservice. They know people may want to see that happen and so do it, completely disregarding character's personality. I mean if they had built it up from ME1 over ME2 to ME3 where you can see that they really like each other, but there is nothing like that. It is poor writing and belittles the game, the writers and the characters. They should just stop doing things because they think "that would be cool" or something. Characters are supposed to have personality and act accordingly and situations develop accordingly. But Bioware sometimes just seems to mesh stuff together randomly because they think it is a good idea at the time.

This.

[Allan Schumacher]

If Shepard and his/her love interest is able to find love within the span of one game, then as far as I'm concerned the crew members can do the same without it breaking verisimilitude.

Especially given Tali's comments from engineering about Garrus keeping things at a distance, and Garrus' "Wait what?"

I don't feel it breaks characters because they find love with someone else not called Shepard. What breaks characters and makes them fan servicey is when they cater to the whims of the player character. Also note: two party members can get together in DA2.

[Linksys17]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

If Shepard and his/her love interest is able to find love within the span of one game, then as far as I'm concerned the crew members can do the same without it breaking verisimilitude.

Especially given Tali's comments from engineering about Garrus keeping things at a distance, and Garrus' "Wait what?"

I don't feel it breaks characters because they find love with someone else not called Shepard. What breaks characters and makes them fan servicey is when they cater to the whims of the player character. Also note: two party members can get together in DA2.

And after all Tali is just using Garrus for his bod

[Cecilia L]

AlexXIV wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Why does them hooking up bother people so much?... really its not the big of a deal.

It doesn't bother me so much. I just wish Bioware would stop taking cheap shots. It's the same as "everyone is bi". They break characters that way. That's like as if Morrigan and Alistair fall in love at the end of DA:O just because the Warden picks Zevran or Leliana or something. It is basically reducing characters to fanservice. They know people may want to see that happen and so do it, completely disregarding character's personality. I mean if they had built it up from ME1 over ME2 to ME3 where you can see that they really like each other, but there is nothing like that. It is poor writing and belittles the game, the writers and the characters. They should just stop doing things because they think "that would be cool" or something. Characters are supposed to have personality and act accordingly and situations develop accordingly. But Bioware sometimes just seems to mesh stuff together randomly because they think it is a good idea at the time.

This^

Also what thefallen2far said about how it is a big deal for them to romance Shepard in ME2. Garrus has never thought about being with a non-turian and it first wierds him out a bit when Femshep makes a move. Tali's got her whole immune system thing, plus, if Shep is male she is head over heels in love with him. It just seems cheap that she has gotten over him that fast from probably already having a crush on him in ME1.

Personally, I haven't heard their dialogue, but it seems like a cute romance. And the Normandy could use a little more love in these dark times. It's just completely against their personalities and it breaks their characters.

Also, my two primary canon sheps are frowning upon their relationship. As Deathstroke123 put it:

Deathstroke123 wrote...

How dare Garrus touch my waifu in an alternate universe where this Shep has no interest in her!?
Cheating across dimensions still counts!

[thegamefreek78648]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Well aren't you guys a couple of dicks.

<_<

Want to stop them from hooking up, romance Tali.