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[Han Shot First]

Sojourner83 wrote...

Michale_Jackson wrote...
It's like she blossomed in ME2

In human terms she's an adolescent. I can't bring myself to do it.

That is incorrect.

Samara has dialogue with Shepard that suggests that Asari reach adulthood in their 40s. Liara is 106. But even if that dialogue was not present, we know that Liara has a doctorate and has been working as an archaeologist for 50 years. How many children have university degrees and are employed as scientists, doing field work on their own without any parental supervision?

The misconception that some have that she is an adolescent comes from a misinterpretation of a line of dialogue, where Liara says that she is "barely considered more than a child" by other Asari.  That line of dialogue actually indicates that she is a young adult who hasn't been out of adolescence for long, but an adult nonetheless. The important word that people are missing is the word "barely." The misconception comes from people either not paying attention to the dialogue or having a problem with reading comprehension, if their subtitles are turned on.

She ain't no Tali.

You are right. She is better looking than Tali.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 30 avril 2012 - 07:50 .

[rfalzar]

Titus Thongger wrote...

DEM SCALES :3

Pretty much.... 

Han Shot First, you beat me to it, aha. Liara is definitely not an "adolescent."

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Han Shot First wrote...

Sojourner83 wrote...

Michale_Jackson wrote...
It's like she blossomed in ME2

In human terms she's an adolescent. I can't bring myself to do it.

That is incorrect.

Samara has dialogue with Shepard that suggests that Asari reach adulthood in their 40s. Liara is 106. But even if that dialogue was not present, we know that Liara has a doctorate and has been working as an archaelogist for 50 years. How many children have university degrees and are employed as scientists, doing field work on their own without any parental supervision?

To be fair, Liara is shown to be a bit of a genius / freak compared to other Asari. The average Asari we see in ME is probably generally in the rough ballpark of anywhere between 40-700 (from Elnora who should've been probably be very young to a few older matrons like Samara). Liara is shown to be easily more than a match to most of them, intellectually, and even in terms of biotic skill (as in the case of her besting Nyxeris the biotic assasin AND holding her own against Tela Vasir). Most every Asari is a powerful biotic, who gets stronger with age, so for Liara, at just 106 to easily be able to go toe-to-toe with so many who are likely much older than her, is just incredible.

There's also her weird speech and personality, of course, but those are probably not relevant.

[0x30A88]

^Samara gave birth to her kids in her matron stage, so she would have been around 350-400 by that time, and shadow-broker intel dated to 1755 (human year) says Falere was 42 then. Doing the math, Falere would be 472 by 2185 and Samarra would need to be far into the matriarch stage, and the MEWiki page for Samara says she is almost 1000.
Edit: just to be clear, I was just challanging your 40-700 interval

Modifié par Gisle Aune, 30 avril 2012 - 08:08 .

[Han Shot First]

True, Liara does seem to be a lot more intelligent and powerful than the average Asari.

But even if we assume for a moment that Liara had been a child prodigy, in order for her to be an adolescent in ME1 we'd still have to ignore both Samara and Liara's own dialogue that indicates otherwise. We'd still have to ignore that Liara has been living alone for half a century (child prodigies still live with their parents), and also have to accept the ridiculous notion that Bioware would actually include a pedophile relationship in one of their games. In short, it requires ear muffs, a blindfold, and the wearing of a tinfoil hat.

[Lynata]

Han Shot First wrote...
The misconception that some have that she is an adolescent comes from a misinterpretation of a line of dialogue, where Liara says that she is "barely considered more than a child" by other Asari. That line of dialogue actually indicates that she is a young adult who hasn't been out of adolescence for long, but an adult nonetheless. The important word that people are missing is the word "barely." The misconception comes from people either not paying attention to the dialogue or having a problem with reading comprehension, if their subtitles are turned on.

I think it also depends on whether you believe in steps between child- and full adulthood. Culturally, the "barely legal" label is sufficiently widespread as to warrant its own genre in sexual entertainment, and whilst ages such as, say, 18 and 25 are both considered adult by law (well, depending on your nation), the former is arguably more of a "girl" than the latter. The Maiden stage of an asari lasts for several centuries, so someone who has barely finished her first one may very well regarded as inexperienced, even though she's already "got her driver's license", so to say.

Though I will say that this opinion is largely borne out of Liara being juuuust over 100, which I think is too much of a coincidence to not mean anything. Given that the asari as a whole were already conceptualized with the specific intention to create an entire species of sexy alien babes, it's not hard for me to believe that the writers at BW wanted to tease their players with a love interest that was provokingly young, yet still within the realm of accepted morals.

And this is even before you delve into the significant differences between ages of consent/maturity that exist throughout our real world as influenced and propagated by their local contemporary cultural dogmas.

[HiddenKING]

It's like sayin a tree becomes sexier for becomin lumber, and eventually a chair.

Liara does have the personality of a chair, but she's nowhere near as useful as one.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Gisle Aune wrote...

^Samara gave birth to her kids in her matron stage, so she would have been around 350-400 by that time, and shadow-broker intel dated to 1755 (human year) says Falere was 42 then. Doing the math, Falere would be 472 by 2185 and Samarra would need to be far into the matriarch stage, and the MEWiki page for Samara says she is almost 1000.
Edit: just to be clear, I was just challanging your 40-700 interval

That's okay, I know the lore has a few confusing bits, so the interval I put down was just a very rough guess of the average Asari Shep would run into. I just assumed most Asari soldiers would be early-mid-Maiden, most Asari w. children or in marriage would be late-maiden to somewhere in the matron range and that Benezia + Aethyta (and maybe Samara) are most probably the only Matriarchs we've seen. Samara is unclear to me because in ME2 her passive evolution says she only rivals a Matriarch's power, rather than be a full on Matriarch.

Han Shot First wrote...

True, Liara does seem to be a lot more intelligent and powerful than the average Asari.

But even if we assume for a moment that Liara had been a child prodigy, in order for her to be an adolescent in ME1 we'd still have to ignore both Samara and Liara's own dialogue that indicates otherwise. We'd still have to ignore that Liara has been living alone for half a century (child prodigies still live with their parents), and also have to accept the ridiculous notion that Bioware would actually include a pedophile relationship in one of their games. In short, it requires ear muffs, a blindfold, and the wearing of a tinfoil hat.

No, you're right. I realize I didn't say it earlier, but I personally don't think that Liara is a minor either. I was just trying to say that she is still probably incredibly young to be doing the things she does, relative to other Asari.

[ReallyRue]

Logan Cloud wrote...

HiddenKING wrote...

It's like sayin a tree becomes sexier for becomin lumber, and eventually a chair.

Liara does have the personality of a chair, but she's nowhere near as useful as one.

I'm sure you could use Liara as a chair. I mean, you've seen how shy she is. It's not like she's gonna say no.

Doesn't Liara actually use Shep as a chair at one point in the ME3 romance?

[Han Shot First]

I just assumed most Asari soldiers would be early-mid-Maiden, most Asari w. children or in marriage would be late-maiden to somewhere in the matron range and that Benezia + Aethyta (and maybe Samara) are most probably the only Matriarchs we've seen. Samara is unclear to me because in ME2 her passive evolution says she only rivals a Matriarch's power, rather than be a full on Matriarch.

Councillor Tevos is a possibility. Or at least you would think that the most powerful political position in the universe for an Asari, would be occupied by a respected matriarch. That being said however, Tevos does seem rather youthful compared to Aethyta and Benezia. So perhaps she is just a very accomplished Matron.

[ReallyRue]

Logan Cloud wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

HiddenKING wrote...

It's like sayin a tree becomes sexier for becomin lumber, and eventually a chair.

Liara does have the personality of a chair, but she's nowhere near as useful as one.

I'm sure you could use Liara as a chair. I mean, you've seen how shy she is. It's not like she's gonna say no.

Doesn't Liara actually use Shep as a chair at one point in the ME3 romance?

Not that I can remember. You're probably just mixed up.

I think what you're remembering is that scene where Shep and Liara use Legion's corpse as a coffee table.

You mean just before he explodes and kills Liara? Yeah, I remember that. It was very sad.

[Arcadian Legend]

ReallyRue wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

I think what you're remembering is that scene where Shep and Liara use Legion's corpse as a coffee table.

You mean just before he explodes and kills Liara? Yeah, I remember that. It was very sad.

I wanna know what the hell kind of version of ME3 you guys were playing because dammit I want in.

Modifié par Arcadian Legend, 30 avril 2012 - 08:53 .

[Olueq]

why did they take out that cinematic of harbinger killing Liara? That was epic.