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ME1/2 player here. Had heard rumours about this issue and came up here from the old ME1/2 forums for a look to see if it's been confirmed. I've just read 15 pages complaining about it so I guess it has. Jeez, Bioware, as time goes on I should be finding more reasons to buy ME3, not more reasons to run away from it like it's a husk with bubonic plague and halitosis. But right now.... well, let's look at the list shall we?
  • Origin - accusations of spyware aside, if it wasn't such a cumbersome piece of junk to use I might have put up with it. As it is it's terrible, as in going to the game store and finding no sales assistants terrible. I was actually going to buy it on physical media until I find out it still puts bloody Origin on. Let me spell it out for you here: for the convenicence of buying it on Steam I would have happily paid extra. Because Steam, y'know, works. By the way, same applies to ME1 & 2 DLC - I really think you should let someone else do it and just charge me extra to buy from what I realise is a competitor, but your purchase system realy does suck that badly.
  • The endings - the flak you got over this was so big that I found it impossible to avoid spoilers, and thank God because otherwise I'd have dropped $90 or whatever on something that I'd have found as satisfying as having the flu.
  • Multiplayer - has zero appeal for me. None. Aside from unreliable internet, which isn't uncommon in Oz, I like to play people games with people who are physically present. Poker round the dining table will always hold more fun for me than some smartarse with a hundred hours in MMO calling me noob and gay. Hell, snakes and bloody ladders with my nephews would be more fun.
  • Multiplayer and the endings - that you can't get at least one of the endings without either multiplayer or other games on other platforms sucks a quite unprecedented quantity of arse and is simply a deal breaker. There is precisely zero chance I will buy before this is taken care of.
Those are the major obstacles to be fishing my credit card out and downloading it right now, but sadly the problems don't end there. Having enjoyed the story so much so far and being fairly pessimistic about those four problems being fixed any time soon I decided I wasn't going to wait to find out what happened after Arrival and have been watching let's plays on YouTube. And Dear God, it's worse than I thought. I just wrote three paragraphs on all the things I've seen so far that have either outraged my sense of loyalty to the series or have simply made me burst out laughing. And then I remembered that this area is spoiler free and had to delete them. But I will say that a certain character, who on researching it appears to have come from the books and has brought with them some of the best plot armour ever, is without doubt the most annoying videogame character I have ever seen. I don't mean challenging to deal with, I mean just bloody irritating to the point a reasonble person starts to bite through the rim of their coffee mug. That the company he works for seems to have gone from the size of Hamas to the size of the People's Liberation Army of China in the time it takes most of the female characters to get inexplicable breast enlargement surgeries (Jack had a chest like a pool table, and now look at her) doesn't help either.

In short, if I'd bought the game as is I might have wanted to punch the cat in his smug, smiley, knowing cat face with its permanent expression of how he always knows better than everyone else (a lot like Miranda really) and would have told me not to buy it if only I'd bothered to learn Cat. I'm very fond of my cat and have no wish to spend money on a product that will infuriate me to the point I want to take it out on him, and, getting back on the actual topic, especially not when it's effectively incomplete unless I spend time on multiplayer or more money still on other games.


Edit: PS I hate the omnistabby as well. Like the suddenly big boobs it feels like something included to appeal to the under 18 males, and since the game got a 17+ rating in its main market there doesn't seem to be any point unless we're all conceding that parents buy it for their 10-17 year olds anyway and there's hardly any point in ratings except to tell you what to expect the kids to see and hear. I'd prefer the omnistabby to have been more an omniSwiss Army knife with omniscissors and omniscrewdrivers and omnithing-for-getting-stones-out-of-horses-omnihooves, which could conceivably have some practical use in universe. Not as cool as a nice omnistabby, but then an omnistabby's a hell of a lot sillier than just letting Shepard have a freakin' bayonet.

Modifié par PsiFive, 28 mai 2012 - 03:53 .


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Well the patch notes for this weeks patch are up. Nothing about EMS value, guess they forgot.

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Well - that's a huge surprise the new patch doesn't fix EMS!!!

In fact most of the fixes are for MP not SP - why am I not surprised?!

Edit:  Think what annoys me most is the fact that Bioware have commented in the thread that EMS is being worked on and that this is not the final patch.  Which suggests to me says they have known for a while that this wasn't going to be fixed in this patch but didn't bother to tell us.   

Wish they would just be upfront about the issue - mind you why start now.  More time without it being fixed when the issue has been known about for months!! Shocking.

Modifié par CG Drum, 28 mai 2012 - 05:02 .


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Damn it.

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Lot of MP fixes, a lot of MP fixes. Almost no SP fixes at all and the few that are do not fix any of the serious stuff like inability to complete quests or EMS issues.

Back before ME3's release I would have been surprised by that. Now? Now I'm feeling nostalgic for DA2 and I never thought it would get this bad.

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patch 1.03  see news.

Not Fixed proper Face Import for Female Me 1 and 2 facial structure that gives a total default stranger (while the fans have prorammed the "new Lazarus project that does the job almost 90%)

Not fixed EMS 4000+ cannot be reached with Single Play only !

well well well.. Almost every fix is for MP. It now is very clear to me what the priorities for BW/EA are and that is MULTI PLAY.

pfffffff.

Modifié par Emphyr, 28 mai 2012 - 05:39 .


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Traestus wrote...

Well the patch notes for this weeks patch are up. Nothing about EMS value, guess they forgot.


But, but they were listening and investigating..... :crying:

<_<

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PsiFive wrote...

ME1/2 player here. Had heard rumours about this issue and came up here from the old ME1/2 forums for a look to see if it's been confirmed. I've just read 15 pages complaining about it so I guess it has. Jeez, Bioware, as time goes on I should be finding more reasons to buy ME3,


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Very well said. I payed 90 euro for a broken game that is no fun at all to play for me.
you only read 15 of the 1000+ pages about ems the other treads are all locked.

Here is one more for your list. Since you are an ME1/2 player consider the chances (espacially for Femsheps) very very high that if you import a previous Shep you will be confronted with a total stranger. Only after a lot of splendid help and programming (woodbyte's developped new lazarus mapping) tweeting and using gibbed save editor you have a chance to change him/her into a lookalike for your original me1/2 shepard. (but only with the help of the fanbase! BW/EA did nothing more then just remove the error code cannot import. That error is gone but the face 's mostly still are wrong.

there were several topics about it one even with more as 180k views and 8000+ replies.. all those are locked down.

as for MP i am in the same boat as you are (living in a rather lonely place with an instable internet connection)

I learned my lesson very well (pre-ordered the CE version).
Take care.
Greetings from The Netherlands (Europe)

Modifié par Emphyr, 28 mai 2012 - 06:02 .


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PsiFive wrote...

ME1/2 player here. Had heard rumours about this issue and came up here from the old ME1/2 forums for a look to see if it's been confirmed. I've just read 15 pages complaining about it so I guess it has. Jeez, Bioware, as time goes on I should be finding more reasons to buy ME3, not more reasons to run away from it like it's a husk with bubonic plague and halitosis. But right now.... well, let's look at the list shall we?

[*]The endings - the flak you got over this was so big that I found it impossible to avoid spoilers, and thank God because otherwise I'd have dropped $90 or whatever on something that I'd have found as satisfying as having the flu.

[*]Well the fact is, if you had the flu you could get some satisfaction from the fact that you will eventually triumph over said flu and come back to fight another day!  You pain and suffering during the flu will not have been in vain.  You will actually come out of the flu and actually feel good.  Totally different situation than with the end of this game.  Wish for the flu, it turns out better.
[*]

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So the patch is focused on fixing MP stuff and does not take care of EMS issue.

Well, Bioware - **** you.

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Traestus wrote...

Well the patch notes for this weeks patch are up. Nothing about EMS value, guess they forgot.


I'm absolutely certain that's it.  Just forgot. 

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Well, Chris does mention it:

Chris Priestly wrote...

I can say that this is not planned to be the final patch and issues not fixed in 1.03 (story issues, PS3 framerate, EMS, etc) are being investigated for the next patch. As with any bug, if it is not fixed, that is likely because it is not an easy fix. That doesn't mean that it won't ever be fixed, just that it was not ready by the time this patch was complete.


But come on, it is an easy fix. Just raise the default value to 65% instead of 50%.

Modifié par Forsythia, 28 mai 2012 - 07:06 .


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i think maybe they mean multiplayer is too profitable to fix the single player so that you don't have to play it to get full EMS. Do bioware/EA get some kind of higher statistical success somewhere because they've forced people to play multiplayer to be able to completely complete the game?

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Forsythia wrote...
But come on, it is an easy fix. Just raise the default value to 65% instead of 50%.

Or increase some of the individual war assets. They're just plain old variables in the coalesced.bin. All they need to do is change a bunch of numbers, it's so much easier to do than anything else they listed in the upcoming patch.

But of course there's the fact that, leading up to the EC, some people will replay the game up to the attack on the Cerberus base. Having those people play MP to up their EMS value is good for business, and fixing the EMS problem of course isn't. So what I expect for them is to fix the EMS issue only on the actual release of the EC. If they fix it any sooner then I'm willing to give them the benfit of the doubt that this wasn't all intended. If they don't, then it's pretty clear to me that this was their plan all along.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 28 mai 2012 - 07:52 .


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........

sigh, I think I maybe done here and with Mass effect, not one of the problems I've had has been addressed with this, the fact that they mentioned it as another issue for the next patch is partially positive but who knows when that'll be and IF it'll even fix it

real shame kinda had some hope with this patch

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Very disappointing, but not unexpected.
Looks like I'm one of quite a few people now who will be thinking twice on buying a BiowareEA game.

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/facepalm

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So bioware still "investigating" the EMS issue.

Is that "Investigating" the amount of money trickling in from Microtransactions on multiplayer, waiting till it peters out then maybe getting around to fixing it.

How about they "investigate" the 70 odd page megathread the locked down, or "investigate" the responses made by Bioware staff who said they achieved the Endings without MP, whilst subtly insinuating that the reason the fans hadn't was that they were to stupid to manage it.

How about stickying a thread saying "We are aware of a bug with the EMS issue and are looking into it, check back here soon" as opposed to pointing people at a single response on Gambles twitter and burying their heads in the sand for a month or two.

Goddamit this issue is making me bitter.



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More and more I think they're just hoping we forget. More and more I think at some point they decided to run with the idea of forcing players to play MP or buy apps to get the most out of the single player game because they can make more money that way. I hope they prove me wrong.

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Emphyr wrote...

Here is one more for your list. Since you are an ME1/2 player consider the chances (espacially for Femsheps) very very high that if you import a previous Shep you will be confronted with a total stranger. Only after a lot of splendid help and programming (woodbyte's developped new lazarus mapping) tweeting and using gibbed save editor you have a chance to change him/her into a lookalike for your original me1/2 shepard. (but only with the help of the fanbase! BW/EA did nothing more then just remove the error code cannot import. That error is gone but the face 's mostly still are wrong.


Seriously? I thought they'd fixed that. Or did they just say they fixed it but people are still having problems and they can't or won't put more time into getting it right once and for all? I ask only because I see from the website and even this thread that multi-player fixes and DLCs are happening. So what am I supposed to draw from that? That they're prepared to sell me a game that is essentially faulty (not fundamentally broken, though from what I've seen so far that description might be applicable to the story) and just tell me to suck it up because the multi-player part works fine and that's what's important? That I can import a Shep who shares the same personal history as my Shep but clearly is not my Shep because of looking nothing like him/her, and I just have to deal with it because multi-player? That if I really don't like it I can go to other fans who've found it just as unacceptable and have the know how to do what Bioware and EA can't (or won't)? And for this apparent indifference I get to pay the same price as the multi-player mob who are getting looked after? Seriously?

If so then I have two words for Bioware: rack off. See these dollars here in my hand? See 'em? See 'em? Good, now say bye-bye to 'em coz I can find more enjoyable things to waste money on. Backing a three legged blind horse for the Melbourne Cup springs to mind.

Cheers, Emphyr. It was far from a complete list anyway because of all the plot holes and annoying fan service in the story, some of which begin by the time you leave Earth (when and why did FemShep get her boob job done and would they really have let her have an omnistabby when she was under house arrest? Who cares? Boobs and omnistabbies, ZOMG, I must have ME3 now :? ) let alone the last 15 minutes that got most of the hate. And now you say the faces still aren't right? Oh well, when you've just rolled your car into the ditch I suppose you don't worry if a bird flies past and craps on the windscreen.

Getorex wrote...
Well the fact is, if you had the flu you could get some satisfaction from the fact that you will eventually triumph over said flu and come back to fight another day!&nbsp; You pain and suffering during the flu will not have been in vain.&nbsp; You will actually come out of the flu and actually feel good.&nbsp; Totally different situation than with the end of this game.&nbsp; Wish for the flu, it turns out better.

:blink: I stand corrected. I'm not a medical man, so what are we talking here? Hep C perhaps? Malaria? Something that you mostly get over but never really goes away? Jeez, this is depressing. I'm going to go play ME2 again. I like the way that ends, even if it ends with Shepard dead.

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ijustwanttousethesearchfunction wrote...

/facepalm


I like single player games.
I don't like multiplayer and I don't have an ipad or iphone.

So yes,  I am going to think twice about buying another BiowareEA game, because I do not want to have to play multiplayer to be able to get certain endings and achievements, which you have to do now with ME3.

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Still no fix in the patch notes, and still not any acknowledgement either. I take that as a big 'f*** you' from EAWare so I will return the favour and won't be buying the game. Shame really as I'd like to finish the series off.

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paul165 wrote...

Although according to Mike Gamble the MP dlc that was being developed by a seperate team 'involves the whole team' so sadly those MP dlcs are impacting on dev time bneing spent on minor things like making sure the game works.

I think at this point after almost 4 months several mega threads and repeated PMs with no response I am going to assume the following:

a)Bioware as a company knew about this issue before release or at least in the first week afterwards.
b)They are not going to correct it as that would reduce the income from MP.
c)They are going to keep ignoring all requests for a fix or even an acknowledgement of the issue.
d)They are going to keep lying about it because a multiplayer requirement would reduce sales (note the FAQ on the website still states you don't need MP).

This unfortunately logically leads me to:
e) I can't trust a d*mn thing they say about any future game release's requirements for MP/Social Apps and therefore
f) I won't buy any further BW game until it is confirmed by the fans playing the game that no MP/Social App requirement is present.


coolbeans wrote...

So bioware still "investigating" the EMS issue.

Is that "Investigating" the amount of money trickling in from Microtransactions on multiplayer, waiting till it peters out then maybe getting around to fixing it.

How about they "investigate" the 70 odd page megathread the locked down, or "investigate" the responses made by Bioware staff who said they achieved the Endings without MP, whilst subtly insinuating that the reason the fans hadn't was that they were to stupid to manage it.

How about stickying a thread saying "We are aware of a bug with the EMS issue and are looking into it, check back here soon" as opposed to pointing people at a single response on Gambles twitter and burying their heads in the sand for a month or two.

Goddamit this issue is making me bitter.


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Totally agree with both post, which is why I think this thread needs to be kept on the front page.  It's a warning to people who haven't bought the game yet.

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Gtacatalina wrote...

ijustwanttousethesearchfunction wrote...

/facepalm


I like single player games.
I don't like multiplayer and I don't have an ipad or iphone.

So yes,  I am going to think twice about buying another BiowareEA game, because I do not want to have to play multiplayer to be able to get certain endings and achievements, which you have to do now with ME3.


I wasn't facepalming you, I was facepalming the patch notes.

Personally I'm not going to pay full price for the next few bioware titles until they earn that respect back.

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Only 3+ months until the next patch. Yay.

- No, I don't know for sure when the next one is coming (if at all), I just know it will be another long, f***ing wait.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 30 mai 2012 - 12:30 .