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[Verit]

IsaacShep wrote...

This is not a 'bug', let's be honest here. 500+ missing War Assets to get 4000+ EMS (at 50% Readiness) ain't just a lil "omission", it was deliberate. I can understand everything (like for example the increased number of variables without increased development time which forced them to reduce number of dialogue options) but this I can't look at in anyway other than blatant attempt to force people to play MP. Sorry BW

I hate to think this way but I have to agree. How on earth could they miss that many assets, and then still not give us a proper response all this time after release. If not deliberate, then what is the reason for the lack of communication on what seems to be a very simply "bug"? How long can it honestly take them to count how many assets are needed to get all the endings with SP alone? It's depressing to think that all of this may have been intentional, but the longer Bioware stays silent on this issue ("we're looking into it" means nothing, they haven't even acknowledged the issue), the more I'm doubting their true intentions here.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 01 mai 2012 - 11:26 .

[Gtacatalina]

I also can't get the Defender & Master and Commander achievements, which is linked to the EMS issue.

[G00N3R7883]

Gtacatalina wrote...

Rodia Driftwood wrote...

Does it really matter at this point?. You never get to see your "assets" in battle. You only know of the ones working on the Crucible because of the logs you read at Liara's terminal.

Seriously. What is the point of getting a "different" ending?. How many videos have been made, showing the little to no difference between each ending?.

Why are you guys still trying?.  

For me it's the principle of the matter. They said that multiplayer would not effect the single player experience. Well multiplayer has effected the single player experience!

Not only can I not get enough EMS to get that ending, I also cannot get The Master & Commander and The Defender achievements!

And for me its also about Bioware's next games. They keep saying they will take feedback into account right?

So if nobody complains about this problem in ME3, or if we give up and finally say "meh, I'll just accept it", Bioware get the impression that its okay, and they'll do the same again in the next game. Maybe they even expand on the idea. But if there are alot of complaints, hopefully Bioware get the impression that "okay our fans don't like being forced to play multiplayer to access parts of the singleplayer" and then hopefully they won't do it again. Or if it was not intentional and it is just a bug, hopefully they'll spend more time in QA next time before release.

The length of that scene and how different it is to the other endings, is not relevant to me.

Modifié par G00N3R7883, 01 mai 2012 - 03:47 .

[CG Drum]

Gtacatalina wrote...

Rodia Driftwood wrote...

Does it really matter at this point?. You never get to see your "assets" in battle. You only know of the ones working on the Crucible because of the logs you read at Liara's terminal.

Seriously. What is the point of getting a "different" ending?. How many videos have been made, showing the little to no difference between each ending?.

Why are you guys still trying?.  

For me it's the principle of the matter. They said that multiplayer would not effect the single player experience. Well multiplayer has effected the single player experience!

Not only can I not get enough EMS to get that ending, I also cannot get The Master & Commander and The Defender achievements!

This is definetly a matter of principle for me too!

I bought the game as a SP player - don't do MP (don't enjoy it at all so don't want to pay for Xbox Live Gold access) and I trusted Bioware when they said that MP wouldn't impact on the SP game.

For me it's simple - if the idea from Bioware all along was to force people into MP or using outside Apps to obtain all parts of the SP game then they should have been honest about it from the get go. 

Would I have still purchased the game?  Honestly I'm not sure but probably at some point when it was on sale, not at full price though and preordered as I did as I would have felt like I wasn't getting the whole game.  Which is how I feel now.  I feel like I am not getting the full game that Bioware promised. 

Then there's the fact that the little extra scene that we are talking about may have no really value now (although it should still be achieveable according to the "all endings are accessible by SP only" comments made by Bioware) but who knows what impact it may have after the Extended Ending DLC is released.

And this seemingly endless silence on the matter - and rumors of twitter posts and PMs that say "he states it is being looked at" all seem very vague to me.  Proper clarification that it is being looked at would be great.  Just don't see why that is so hard?!

Then there is the issue when the servers are turned off.... this will impact on everyone then.  And all the people saying "oh just play MP" will be just as stuffed as the rest of us. 

That is why I keep trying!

[Krogangreetings]

Well said CG Drum

[Warbuckaz]

Erenbe wrote...

 Well, EA just announced that they will heavily lean on MP in the future as that is apparently THE market where there's money to get. So I am not too surprised anymore that SP got botched in such a way that you are more or less forced to play MP. It's so much easier to cash in loads of money by constantly selling small 2-3$ packs on MP then programming a decent game and maybe sell a DLC or two. Who would blame EA to go where the money is <_<

I don't give a single damn about MP. If I want to play with others I would play an MMO (which I did extensively in the past and it only resulted in me getting annoyed with people). I will stick to SP. If that means manipulating my files with glibbed to manually inserting EMS to get the best ending so be it. It's lame but apparently the only way at the moment!

and...this completly f's up the game experience...you can edit your file and go right for the final assault and say screw it to the rest of the missions.  The sad part is that a group of folks always asked for multiplayer in ME..I seriously doubt it was in Bioware plans to begin with but they listen to the bozo fans who wanted it...now look. 

Modifié par Warbuckaz, 01 mai 2012 - 07:01 .

[Jestina]

It was another lie they told. Multi-player is a big determining factor in single player...and that should not be. The endings suck, but still...the fact is that the best one can't be gotten unless you multi-play.

[abaris]

Warbuckaz wrote...

and...this completly f's up the game experience...you can edit your file and go right for the final assault and say screw it to the rest of the missions.  The sad part is that a group of folks always asked for multiplayer in ME..I seriously doubt it was in Bioware plans to begin with but they listen to the bozo fan who wanted it...now look.

Nope, they didn't.

This came from way up above. Remember that excited Riccitello interview shortly before the release was postponed? He got all over the place how great multiplayer would be in a game like ME.

Guess that's what's turned the tables.

[Warbuckaz]

abaris wrote...

Warbuckaz wrote...

and...this completly f's up the game experience...you can edit your file and go right for the final assault and say screw it to the rest of the missions.  The sad part is that a group of folks always asked for multiplayer in ME..I seriously doubt it was in Bioware plans to begin with but they listen to the bozo fan who wanted it...now look.

Nope, they didn't.

This came from way up above. Remember that excited Riccitello interview shortly before the release was postponed? He got all over the place how great multiplayer would be in a game like ME.

Guess that's what's turned the tables.

Here’s the thing. With a game like Mass Effect, you can create DLC out the wazoo and people will buy it. I guarantee they will because ME fans are super-de-duper loyal and "Love" the game.  That was a bad call on EA’s part if this was their idea.

Modifié par Warbuckaz, 01 mai 2012 - 07:10 .

[MICHELLE7]

CG Drum wrote...

Yeah - seemed like the reason they gave for closing the main thread was just an excuse to move the issue to the other forums if you ask me, where it can sit and be seen and posted on less as not everyone can access those parts of the forum.

^This...people who have not yet bought the game post in the general forums....with no "issues" being discussed that might discourage them from buying the game they'll be more likely to buy it. PR

[Warbuckaz]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

CG Drum wrote...

Yeah - seemed like the reason they gave for closing the main thread was just an excuse to move the issue to the other forums if you ask me, where it can sit and be seen and posted on less as not everyone can access those parts of the forum.

^This...people who have not yet bought the game post in the general forums....with no "issues" being discussed that might discourage them from buying the game they'll be more likely to buy it. PR

I'd argue that a price drop on a triple A title like Mass Effect this soon should tell gamers that something is wrong.  

[abaris]

Warbuckaz wrote...

That was a bad call on EA’s part if this was their idea.

Not sure.

It's cheap, very cheap to fork out dozens of multiplayer packs containing just a few maps or weapons or classes. If there are enough people stupid enough to pay real money for that kind of deal it makes up for lost fanbases. And I'm pretty sure we will see barrages of these kinds of goodies.

EA has made very clear, they want to play the multiplayer card in every franchise. So brace yourself for DA3. Personally I don't think I will be interested in any games Bioware will produce in the future. I'm not saying I'm not buying, but there's a whole lot of convincing necessary before I open my wallet again.

[Kenshen]

Just think what the rage around here would be like if we had gotten the different endings we were told about just before release and they didn't suck yet MP being required to get any of them even after being told that playing mp wasn't needed to get these awesome endings. So I guess in a way we are lucky we got the starbrat ending so those who will not ever play MP can stick to there guns. It all makes sense now!!

[katling73]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

CG Drum wrote...

Yeah - seemed like the reason they gave for closing the main thread was just an excuse to move the issue to the other forums if you ask me, where it can sit and be seen and posted on less as not everyone can access those parts of the forum.

^This...people who have not yet bought the game post in the general forums....with no "issues" being discussed that might discourage them from buying the game they'll be more likely to buy it. PR

Bingo! I have been contemplating buying the game and when I caught wind of this problem, I immediately put that idea on hold and in fact I won't buy it until I can be sure that I can achieve all SP content without MP and without buying DLC. I've warned my friends about this issue and they're holding off as well.

[BeefoTheBold]

Gtacatalina wrote...

Rodia Driftwood wrote...

Does it really matter at this point?. You never get to see your "assets" in battle. You only know of the ones working on the Crucible because of the logs you read at Liara's terminal.

Seriously. What is the point of getting a "different" ending?. How many videos have been made, showing the little to no difference between each ending?.

Why are you guys still trying?.  

For me it's the principle of the matter. They said that multiplayer would not effect the single player experience. Well multiplayer has effected the single player experience!

Not only can I not get enough EMS to get that ending, I also cannot get The Master & Commander and The Defender achievements!

Or to put a different way, two wrongs don't make a right.

Just because the endings suck horribly, doesn't mean that the lie about multiplayer being mandatory should not go addressed.

I'm starting to gradually come around to the acceptance that ME3 will never be fixed. It sure would be nice if the next Bioware game didn't have the same problems though.

[LadyMalstroem]

This issue has been handled quite badly by devs. I don't understand what is so difficult about just coming out and acknowledging that there is a problem. If devs are "looking into it", the least they can do is make a proper announcement saying that they are doing so, and whether they will make an effort to fix it or not. I don't quite believe that they would ignore the whole thing just to push multiplayer on us when they've made such clear promises about MP not being necessary. That would just be rotten behaviour, they'll lose a massive chunk of respect from me if that's the case. I'm still hoping this is all a misunderstanding or an oversight and that we'll get a fix in the end, but until then I don't see why we can't just discuss it here. :/

[CG Drum]

LadyMalstroem wrote...

This issue has been handled quite badly by devs. I don't understand what is so difficult about just coming out and acknowledging that there is a problem. If devs are "looking into it", the least they can do is make a proper announcement saying that they are doing so, and whether they will make an effort to fix it or not. I don't quite believe that they would ignore the whole thing just to push multiplayer on us when they've made such clear promises about MP not being necessary. That would just be rotten behaviour, they'll lose a massive chunk of respect from me if that's the case. I'm still hoping this is all a misunderstanding or an oversight and that we'll get a fix in the end, but until then I don't see why we can't just discuss it here. :/

Totally agree - that is the whole point of me starting this thread - until they properly ackowledge the issue  - I can't see why it can't be discussed as it is going to remain an issue until they sort it!

[Arsenic Touch]

LadyMalstroem wrote...

This issue has been handled quite badly by devs. I don't understand what is so difficult about just coming out and acknowledging that there is a problem. If devs are "looking into it", the least they can do is make a proper announcement saying that they are doing so, and whether they will make an effort to fix it or not. I don't quite believe that they would ignore the whole thing just to push multiplayer on us when they've made such clear promises about MP not being necessary. That would just be rotten behaviour, they'll lose a massive chunk of respect from me if that's the case. I'm still hoping this is all a misunderstanding or an oversight and that we'll get a fix in the end, but until then I don't see why we can't just discuss it here. :/

The chances of this being a misunderstanding or an oversight are slim to none. If you noticed, they wait for a month of ****ing before even acknowledging something and when they finally do acknowledge it, it's either a cryptic non descriptive response or completely condescending. Skyrim will get all of it's DLC before we get an answer and a fix.

[ringdrossel]

I think I said it in another thread but I'll say it again: Use the apps. The strategy is no bug. Its BWs way to force you to play the poor excuse of a multiplayer. But there is a work around: If you have the possibility you can download the free mobile app "Datapad" and push your readiness with it.

[Krogangreetings]

ringdrossel wrote...

I think I said it in another thread but I'll say it again: Use the apps. The strategy is no bug. Its BWs way to force you to play the poor excuse of a multiplayer. But there is a work around: If you have the possibility you can download the free mobile app "Datapad" and push your readiness with it.

Are the iphones free as well?

[ringdrossel]

Krogangreetings wrote...

Are the iphones free as well?

Good point - they should be after putting us through the end of this game

[Gtacatalina]

ringdrossel wrote...

Krogangreetings wrote...

Are the iphones free as well?

Good point - they should be after putting us through the end of this game

I'm not choosey they can give me an ipad or an iphone, I don't have either.

[Krogangreetings]

Gtacatalina wrote...

ringdrossel wrote...

Krogangreetings wrote...

Are the iphones free as well?

Good point - they should be after putting us through the end of this game

I'm not choosey they can give me an ipad or an iphone, I don't have either.

yeah I'll take either i'm not fussy

[malhar34]

Erenbe wrote...

 Well, EA just announced that they will heavily lean on MP in the future as that is apparently THE market where there's money to get. So I am not too surprised anymore that SP got botched in such a way that you are more or less forced to play MP. It's so much easier to cash in loads of money by constantly selling small 2-3$ packs on MP then programming a decent game and maybe sell a DLC or two. Who would blame EA to go where the money is <_<

I don't give a single damn about MP. If I want to play with others I would play an MMO (which I did extensively in the past and it only resulted in me getting annoyed with people). I will stick to SP. If that means manipulating my files with glibbed to manually inserting EMS to get the best ending so be it. It's lame but apparently the only way at the moment!

Now my question is if their way is getting them money why turn away from it? If making a garbage ending and forcing MP on us and then making millions plus EXTRA profit from the 2-3$ packs in MP why would EA/Bioware listen to us. We are the minority who want a proper ending & 4000+ EMS achievable in SP. There are countless "drones" out there who buy the games + MP packs and net EA profit.

[Krogangreetings]

malhar34 wrote...

Erenbe wrote...

 Well, EA just announced that they will heavily lean on MP in the future as that is apparently THE market where there's money to get. So I am not too surprised anymore that SP got botched in such a way that you are more or less forced to play MP. It's so much easier to cash in loads of money by constantly selling small 2-3$ packs on MP then programming a decent game and maybe sell a DLC or two. Who would blame EA to go where the money is <_<

I don't give a single damn about MP. If I want to play with others I would play an MMO (which I did extensively in the past and it only resulted in me getting annoyed with people). I will stick to SP. If that means manipulating my files with glibbed to manually inserting EMS to get the best ending so be it. It's lame but apparently the only way at the moment!

Now my question is if their way is getting them money why turn away from it? If making a garbage ending and forcing MP on us and then making millions plus EXTRA profit from the 2-3$ packs in MP why would EA/Bioware listen to us. We are the minority who want a proper ending & 4000+ EMS achievable in SP. There are countless "drones" out there who buy the games + MP packs and net EA profit.

The trouble is it's a very short term plan, some fans won't be back for ME4/DA3 because of the treatment we've got here, the "Call of Duty crowd" they chase so hard are fickle and will move on to the next online blaster pretty quickly (most on my friend list already have) plus the issue they are having with peole losing unlocks etc

As to why they'd listen, don't know, they probably won't, they'll just move on to the next big million $ idea, I gurantee you if Street fighter 5 comes out and sell more then Call of Duty  and the gaming world shifts to beat em ups (won't happen of course) then Mass Effect 4 will have beat em up elements.



The interview with the Total war devs shows how the gaming industry is going
http://www.eurogamer...ultiplayer-went

Modifié par Krogangreetings, 02 mai 2012 - 11:21 .