843 réponses à ce sujet

[Gtacatalina]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

[Look at how freaking long this thread is. Think about how many other threads on the very same topic have been closed.

Here are some of the locked threads! First one 73 pages long.

http://social.biowar...10481662-1.html

http://social.biowar.../index/10288735
http://social.biowar.../index/10775764
http://social.biowar.../index/11868937
http://social.biowar.../index/11505865
http://social.biowar.../index/11505865
http://social.biowar.../index/11654728
http://social.biowar.../index/11655054
http://social.biowar.../index/10514797

Modifié par Gtacatalina, 07 juin 2012 - 01:22 .

[AdamJenson]

tishyw wrote...

someone else wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Just for the record -- and since I like to keep this thread active -- I'm going to completely disagree with this:

someone else wrote...
ME3 SP is a broken game - despite a few flashes of brilliance - from the wholesale shift from dialogs to cutscenes, the endemic disregard of player choice(eg collector base), reintroduction of plot lines which player choice should have closed (eg rachni), the failure to bring forward major themes (eg dark energy), reducing ME2 from virtual to complete irrelevance, day 1 dlc, re-casting Liara as co-star and TIM as arch-villian, sidelining players' LI and Reapers - all this before you reach the jaw-dropping inanity of the Return, and the conversion of all the complex and meticuluously categorized "War Assets" into a single purpose grey goo that has zero affect on the war itself and only enables a variety of choices on the R-RGBR+ menu - options that open to no new gameplay or player consequences, are almost indistinquishable...and leave more questions, doubts and confusion than they resolve.

And so for me the conclusions don't follow.

I'm not personally concerned with the EMS issue -- like I said upthread, all my Sheps so far think the Red ending is morally unacceptable anyway. But I do think it's terrible design. And it bothers me because except for some ending issues I do like ME3 very much.

we could discuss our differences on this but that would take this very off-topic

the relevant point I was driving at is that the ems issue is part of a larger constellation of oversights, miscues, lost opportunity and breaches of the audience/player connnection, without which an experience like ME1 cannot take place, and which was only marginally realized in ME2 and even less so in 3.

...and I did enjoy playing ME3 - lots of my toys as a kid were also broken but I still managed to have fun...

While I agree with much of what was said in your two posts, the big issue for me with EMS is that we were assured that there would be enough points in the SP game to get everything that was available to MP players and that nothing would be locked from single players.  This is clearly not the case.

It's the principle of the thing, we were either miss-lead or lied to either by oversight or design, and the issue should be resolved by Bioware.  I'm a PC player, I was able to modify one of my assets to give me more points and so I saw the entire scene, but I shouldn't have to hack a saved game to allow Bioware keep their promises.

In truth, if you could get everything via SP that players also doing MP get, then the addition of MP becomes totally pointless to the game.  Sure, it is pointless overall, but what you gain in MP (those magical points) are supposed to apply to SP.  This being the case, you automatically can get more points via SP+MP than via SP alone.  IF what you accomplish and see and get in SP alone is then no different than what you ge with SP+MP, then the points are irrelevant entirely and should be eliminated entirely.  If they are worth something, then there HAS to be something available to SP+MP that isn't available to SP alone.  Simple logic.

[paul165]

Why?

The advantage of MP should be the ability to skip the stupid scanning minigame and provide a way for non import Shepard to get a decent ending. Completionist playthroughs (paragon, renegade or somewhere in the middle) should be able to hit the mythical 4k without additionally lining EA's pockets by grinding MP.

Because just to remind everyone that was what Bioware commited to do - and still claim is possible.

If they want MP to be compulsary then they should have declared that prior to purchase along with requires internet connection and xGb harddisk space. They didn't which makes what they did false advertising.

To answer the other common statement - no it doesn't matter I can hack the files, no it doesn't matter that I can youtube it Bioware made a commitment repeatedly about multiplayer not mattering - mostly in order for people not to complain about its integration and that statement is false.

If they had stated before release MP would be required to access all content I would have shrugged my shoulders and made a decision about the pre-order on that basis however having made certain statements they have an obligation to honour them.

/rant over.

Modifié par paul165, 07 juin 2012 - 02:01 .

[Alerithon]

AdamJenson wrote...

In truth, if you could get everything via SP that players also doing MP get, then the addition of MP becomes totally pointless to the game.  Sure, it is pointless overall, but what you gain in MP (those magical points) are supposed to apply to SP.  This being the case, you automatically can get more points via SP+MP than via SP alone.  IF what you accomplish and see and get in SP alone is then no different than what you ge with SP+MP, then the points are irrelevant entirely and should be eliminated entirely.  If they are worth something, then there HAS to be something available to SP+MP that isn't available to SP alone.  Simple logic.

I disagree.  As others state, and as Bioware stated pre-release, the interaction of MP and SP was to give those interested in the MP aspect of the game could access the SP endings by doing less in MP.  Bioware was explicit in pre-release statements that SP would not be impacted by the addition of MP.  By releasing the game with story elements that could not be attained through SP play only, Bioware failed to release a product that matched their pre-release statements.  

And your logic overlooks the concept that MP has worth on it's own.  MP does not exist only to support the SP experience.  It could stand alone, without the SP component.  Which actually would be fine.  The only problem I have with the whole thing is that Bioware promised that the addition of MP would not mess with the SP experience, and so far, 3+ months after release, Bioware has done zilch to show anyone that's the case.

[Gtacatalina]

Alerithon wrote...

AdamJenson wrote...

In truth, if you could get everything via SP that players also doing MP get, then the addition of MP becomes totally pointless to the game.  Sure, it is pointless overall, but what you gain in MP (those magical points) are supposed to apply to SP.  This being the case, you automatically can get more points via SP+MP than via SP alone.  IF what you accomplish and see and get in SP alone is then no different than what you ge with SP+MP, then the points are irrelevant entirely and should be eliminated entirely.  If they are worth something, then there HAS to be something available to SP+MP that isn't available to SP alone.  Simple logic.

.  Bioware was explicit in pre-release statements that SP would not be impacted by the addition of MP.  By releasing the game with story elements that could not be attained through SP play only, Bioware failed to release a product that matched their pre-release statements.  

Yep exactly. Here's one of those statements.

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"
Mike Gamble

http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

[AdamJenson]

Gtacatalina wrote...

Alerithon wrote...

AdamJenson wrote...

In truth, if you could get everything via SP that players also doing MP get, then the addition of MP becomes totally pointless to the game.  Sure, it is pointless overall, but what you gain in MP (those magical points) are supposed to apply to SP.  This being the case, you automatically can get more points via SP+MP than via SP alone.  IF what you accomplish and see and get in SP alone is then no different than what you ge with SP+MP, then the points are irrelevant entirely and should be eliminated entirely.  If they are worth something, then there HAS to be something available to SP+MP that isn't available to SP alone.  Simple logic.

.  Bioware was explicit in pre-release statements that SP would not be impacted by the addition of MP.  By releasing the game with story elements that could not be attained through SP play only, Bioware failed to release a product that matched their pre-release statements.  

Yep exactly. Here's one of those statements.

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"
Mike Gamble

http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

OK, I submit.  I had never read or paid attention to that stuff because I simply intended to try it all anyway.  But it is clearly implied in that statement that you can do ALL the side-quests OR do MP and get the same points towards the endings.  

Nonetheless, if you do ALL the side quests AND do the MP, the extra points you WILL garner should actually add up to SOMETHING.  Or points are pointless.

[AlanC9]

AdamJenson wrote...

Nonetheless, if you do ALL the side quests AND do the MP, the extra points you WILL garner should actually add up to SOMETHING.  Or points are pointless.

OK. Then how should the game work? What should those points add up to?

[AdamJenson]

AlanC9 wrote...

AdamJenson wrote...

Nonetheless, if you do ALL the side quests AND do the MP, the extra points you WILL garner should actually add up to SOMETHING.  Or points are pointless.

OK. Then how should the game work? What should those points add up to?

Not sure myself.  You either max the points possible and can go no higher (so MP beyond that point is just for the sake of MP) or you add...something...perhaps fairly innocuous so all the points gained get you SOMETHING in SP but nothing earthshattering.

[dekkerd]

AdamJenson wrote...
Not sure myself.  You either max the points possible and can go no higher (so MP beyond that point is just for the sake of MP) or you add...something...perhaps fairly innocuous so all the points gained get you SOMETHING in SP but nothing earthshattering.

Promoted n7's appearing in priority earth. The line of soldiers standing by vega for instance. A nice thing for the MP, and doesnt take away from SP. 


EDIT post about EMS here

http://social.biowar.../index/12458784

Not enough mentions in that thread. 

Modifié par dekkerd, 07 juin 2012 - 03:58 .

[Grubas]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As people have pointed out, Mike Gamble has said on his Twitter account that we are investigating this . When we have information on it, we will let everyone know.

You can also post this topic, if it has not already been posted, in the technical support forum for your platform.


LOCKDOWN!
- by Chris Priestly
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That was 1 Month ago. Any news?

Modifié par Grubas, 07 juin 2012 - 04:09 .

[CG Drum]

Just dropping in - I can see there is nothing yet... what a surprise!!!!

Game is now gathering dust awaiting the extended ending DLC and a fix for this - what is beginning to really concern me is the new DLC will be released but no fix for the EMS.

Being forced to play MP is so frustrating - I bought this as a SP game - just like the other two in the series - don't play any MP games - tried them but not my thing.

Will definetly not be pre-ordering anymore Bioware games - don't want to get caught out again by marketing info that tells me MP is not required when it is. Should be my choice NOT forced on me. Or at least they should be honest and upfront about it and not try to hide the fact that MP is required.

[SalsaDMA]

tishyw wrote...

someone else wrote...

^...I may want to play the baldur series...

If you haven't, you should because it's excellent!  The best place to get them these days is from the good old games website, where you can download them complete with expansion packs for about $10.00.

Heh. That reminded me of the recent statement made by EA where they complained about Steam having sales all the time so people could buy cheap games. They specifically stated that one should never expect such things on Origin because they didn't like 'cheapening intelectual property' that much.

So good thing the Baldur series was from before EA took reigns and can still be gotten cheap

Anyways, sorry for the slightly off-topic poat. Now back to your regular schedule about waiting for a response from EA regarding their misleading statements on forced MP (which we know will never happen)

[someone else]

katling73 wrote...

tishyw wrote...

someone else wrote...

^...I may want to play the baldur series...

If you haven't, you should because it's excellent!  The best place to get them these days is from the good old games website, where you can download them complete with expansion packs for about $10.00.

Or you can wait until summer this year when some former Bioware people bring out the Enhanced Edition of BG and BG2. Same game, a little bit more added in and rejigged so that they'll work on modern day PCs and Macs without needing to fiddle around or use extra programs.

.......but this is a little off-topic so back to your regularly programmed miffed-ness at the EMS problem.

...thanks - I will do so and am looking forward to it - I'll google around for the enhanced ed & timining...

[paul165]

Chris was asking about SP bugs in the story forum -so I submitted EMS along with several other people. Not sure it will do any good but got to try right?

If you missed it I wasn't surprised as he was his usual charming self.

After someone posted he was looking for bugs in General his response was:

"No bumping. If I had wanted this advertised in this forum, I would have done so. LOCKDOWN"

Such a ray of sunshine.:innocent:

Not sure whether to be amused or furious that three months after game release they haven't looked at SP bugs yet and don't even know what they are when most members of the forums can reel off the top 5 from memory.

/Will settle for cynically amused with a side order of shocked if they do anything with the information.

[freler31]

paul165 wrote...

After someone posted he was looking for bugs in General his response was:

"No bumping. If I had wanted this advertised in this forum, I would have done so. LOCKDOWN"

Such a ray of sunshine.:innocent:

That really annoyed me. The Story and Campaign Discussion section moves so fast it's very easy to miss a particular thread. I wouldn't even have known about that posting if not for the locked down thread you're talking about. 

Modifié par freler31, 07 juin 2012 - 08:04 .

[Alerithon]

AdamJenson wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

AdamJenson wrote...

Nonetheless, if you do ALL the side quests AND do the MP, the extra points you WILL garner should actually add up to SOMETHING.  Or points are pointless.

OK. Then how should the game work? What should those points add up to?

Not sure myself.  You either max the points possible and can go no higher (so MP beyond that point is just for the sake of MP) or you add...something...perhaps fairly innocuous so all the points gained get you SOMETHING in SP but nothing earthshattering.

But why?  MP has it's own value.  The more you play, the more MP points you earn, the more promotions and packs you can purchase, to use in MP.  By linking MP to EMS, you get a double dip system, where MP rewards you twice, while SP only play gets just a single reward, and that being less than the MP reward.  Bioware has it totally backwards.  If anything, unlocking SP achievements should reward you in MP with new skins, weapons, classes, etc.

[paul165]

freler31 wrote...

paul165 wrote...

After someone posted he was looking for bugs in General his response was:

"No bumping. If I had wanted this advertised in this forum, I would have done so. LOCKDOWN"

Such a ray of sunshine.:innocent:

That really annoyed me. The Story and Campaign Discussion section moves so fast it's very easy to miss a particular thread. I wouldn't even have known about that posting if not for the locked down thread you're talking about. 

That's how I knew as well I don't check S&C that often as the only threads I check regularly are this and Twitter.

Presumably didn't want a huge list to go through so only posted in quieter forums.

beat...

There was a time I would have been a lot less cynical about why he did that - a time prior to March 6th.

[freler31]

paul165 wrote...

There was a time I would have been a lot less cynical about why he did that - a time prior to March 6th.

I didn't join here until after that date... after seeing that ending. The impression I'm getting from what I've seen of posters who have been here longer is that this was a better place before that.

Sad, isn't it?

Modifié par freler31, 07 juin 2012 - 08:41 .

[paul165]

The relationship between the community managers and the fanbase was better both because there were fewer trolls and the community people were less agressive.

Even immediately post DA2 launch which didn't go well the relationship never got this bad and it recovered a lot faster - a lot of the credit for that is due to the way the DA team handled the response. Compare/contrast to the post ME3 passive agressive press releases and lockdown strategy which I feel positively encourages trolls as well as alienating many of the more reasonable critics.

Anyway OT sorry.

Hopefully we will find out tomorrow which if any of the identified bugs they are going to attempt to fix and whether they even identify EMS as a bug rather than WAI.

[freler31]

Well Chris did specifically say EMS in one of his earlier posts. Quoting again just so it doesn't get lost:

Chris Priestly wrote...

I can say that this is not planned
to be the final patch and issues not fixed in 1.03 (story issues, PS3
framerate, EMS, etc) are being investigated for the next patch. As with
any bug, if it is not fixed, that is likely because it is not an easy
fix. That doesn't mean that it won't ever be fixed, just that it was not
ready by the time this patch was complete.

That's the most acknowledgement we've gotten about this issue so fingers crossed.

[Bogsnot]

At least PC players can get around the issue. A kind soul has uploaded their local_profile.sav file to various torrent sites, with only MP missions completed to give 100%. Using it will strip away whatever achievements you have gained though. Not that they really mean much to PC players.

Get it Here.

As with anything of this sort, I recommend doing a full AV scan of the file(s) prior to unzipping/installing

[paul165]

Bogsnot wrote...

At least PC players can get around the issue. A kind soul has uploaded their local_profile.sav file to various torrent sites, with only MP missions completed to give 100%. Using it will strip away whatever achievements you have gained though. Not that they really mean much to PC players.

Get it Here.

As with anything of this sort, I recommend doing a full AV scan of the file(s) prior to unzipping/installing

Thank you very much greatly appreciated.

[Bogsnot]

No problems.

I should mention the slight glitch I've noticed with it too, although I would say its more game related.
If you suffer a crash to desktop, relaunching the game without rebooting can cause the game to show readiness at only 50%, instead of 100%.
Quit, reboot, and 100% will return.

[tishyw]

Deleted because I was beaten by several hour by other's replying to this post, so my post is kind of pointless.

Umm, Bioware, please fix the EMS!

There, at least it's on topic and won't get the thread locked.

Modifié par tishyw, 08 juin 2012 - 01:30 .

[Shepard108278]

Bogsnot wrote...

At least PC players can get around the issue. A kind soul has uploaded their local_profile.sav file to various torrent sites, with only MP missions completed to give 100%. Using it will strip away whatever achievements you have gained though. Not that they really mean much to PC players.

Get it Here.

As with anything of this sort, I recommend doing a full AV scan of the file(s) prior to unzipping/installing

Be very carefull that website is heavilly monitored for piracy issues.