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[Grubas]

Hands up, who actually thinks its a bug?

[freler31]

I still have a little bit of hope that it really is a genuine mistake, even though that hope is immediately countered by their ridiculous stubbornness in acknowledging it.

But yeah, given everything that's been going on it's almost certainly intentional.

[abaris]

freler31 wrote...

I still have a little bit of hope that it really is a genuine mistake, even though that hope is immediately countered by their ridiculous stubbornness in acknowledging it.

Considering that it's only about fixing a few values in a single file, it's hard to think of it as a mistake.

[freler31]

I was thinking more that it was an initial mistake, as in someone put a decimal point in the wrong place or typed in the wrong number somewhere and it got through uncatched. 

Modifié par freler31, 10 juin 2012 - 02:28 .

[Ender99]

If it was a bug it would have been fixed by now. This is their way of say PLAY MP. Which I refuse to do since this came up.

[Femlob]

Ender99 wrote...

If it was a bug it would have been fixed by now. This is their way of say PLAY MP. Which I refuse to do since this came up.

Pretty much.

[freler31]

Ender99 wrote...

If it was a bug it would have been fixed by now. This is their way of say PLAY MP. Which I refuse to do since this came up.

Not true unfortunately, there are plenty of bugs in the game that still haven't been fixed, including a literal gamebreaker one (Shepard getting stuck on the Normandy cockpit). That isn't an excuse though and I agree with you on your other points.

[7isMagic]

Grubas wrote...

Hands up, who actually thinks its a bug?

Nope.  From the very beginning, I held out hope this was an honest mistake.   But not anymore - and here's why:  

1. Too much time has passed with no OFFICIAL acknowledgement from the folks who count - that is, the people who are directly responsible for this issue.   The silence (and numerous thread lockdowns) speaks volumes.

2.  I could understand a small amount missing, but 400 EMS (if not more to accommodate missed missions or DLC - or the fact PS3 players can't play ME1)?    

3.  This is an easy fix.  (Thank you, Alan C9, for taking the time to explain the technicalities of this issue.)   

4.   The 50% GR modifier has no other purpose than to "encourage" folks to engage in MP.  Had there been enough war assets in SP mode, MP could have helped people gain what is needed more quickly (or folks would have the option of skipping certain side missions and MP would make up the difference).   But without enough in-game war assets, MP becomes the "encouraged" method of reaching one's goal. 

This was intentional, no matter what Bioware claims to the contrary.  The evidence is overwhelming.

Modifié par 7isMagic, 10 juin 2012 - 05:47 .

[AussieGiant]

Well they certainly got me to play MP because of the EMS value issue.

I played a second run through with an Adept just to make sure I continued my romance with Miranda and has enough points to have the "gasping breath" at the end included.

I wanted my Shepard alive and be consistent with killing the Reapers for good.

[Verit]

It's not a bug, that much is obvious now. I'm really, really disappointed in Bioware by what they've done here.

[ManUnderMask]

I'm beginning to think that Bioware intended to release a series of 10 dollar SP DLC soon after the game was released, but didn't expect the blow up over the endings. With the EC taking priority over other SP DLC, we won't be getting the extra stuff as soon as Bioware had hoped, thus the reason for the silence, because otherwise they'd have to fess up. And if they fix it through a patch, why bother to buy the extra DLC?

I think it was someone on this board who said that the last two words of the Mass Effect trilogy are Downloadable Content.

[Xellith]

yup. "downloadable content".

[devSin]

The problem with that belief is that the DLC would have needed to add a ton of assets to even make the sequence reasonably achievable.

From Ashes added 100 assets. Total. That's 50 EMS. To make the breath scene something that was actually feasible to attain with single-player alone, they'd need at least 1,000 EMS.

That's either a lot of DLC, or a DLC with a huge number of assets (a full quarter of the total assets available in the entire game), neither of which seem very likely.

[ManUnderMask]

devSin wrote...
That's either a lot of DLC

Or it's a lot of one mission DLC that only lasts around a couple hours.

[7isMagic]

devSin wrote...

The problem with that belief is that the DLC would have needed to add a ton of assets to even make the sequence reasonably achievable.

From Ashes added 100 assets. Total. That's 50 EMS. To make the breath scene something that was actually feasible to attain with single-player alone, they'd need at least 1,000 EMS.

That's either a lot of DLC, or a DLC with a huge number of assets (a full quarter of the total assets available in the entire game), neither of which seem very likely.

Very good point. 

[RocketManSR2]

Gtacatalina wrote...

Here are some of the locked threads! First one 73 pages long.

http://social.biowar...10481662-1.html

http://social.biowar.../index/10288735
http://social.biowar.../index/10775764
http://social.biowar.../index/11868937
http://social.biowar.../index/11505865
http://social.biowar.../index/11505865
http://social.biowar.../index/11654728
http://social.biowar.../index/11655054
http://social.biowar.../index/10514797

That list of locked topics has given us their answer. My level of interest in this franchise and company is fading fast.

[historybrat]

I don't know whats worse....

A. This is an intentional bug to force you play MP and in theory spend more money on the game

or

B. They planned to give us the war assets in a DLC. Whether or not they planned on charging us for this....they sold us an incomplete SP game.


Both thoughts are pretty disturbing and don't bode well for Bioware.

Modifié par historybrat, 11 juin 2012 - 06:03 .

[tishyw]

freler31 wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

If it was a bug it would have been fixed by now. This is their way of say PLAY MP. Which I refuse to do since this came up.

Not true unfortunately, there are plenty of bugs in the game that still haven't been fixed, including a literal gamebreaker one (Shepard getting stuck on the Normandy cockpit). That isn't an excuse though and I agree with you on your other points.

Haven't they fixed that bug yet either?  After getting stuck a couple of times I started doing a quick save before going and talking to Joker and EDI.  Saved me a lot of replays.

[mcneil_1]

tishyw wrote...

freler31 wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

If it was a bug it would have been fixed by now. This is their way of say PLAY MP. Which I refuse to do since this came up.

Not true unfortunately, there are plenty of bugs in the game that still haven't been fixed, including a literal gamebreaker one (Shepard getting stuck on the Normandy cockpit). That isn't an excuse though and I agree with you on your other points.

Haven't they fixed that bug yet either?  After getting stuck a couple of times I started doing a quick save before going and talking to Joker and EDI.  Saved me a lot of replays.

Same here with the quick saves in the cockpit.
Its a bit reminiscent of the hover bug that happened in a number of places in ME2.

[MaxQuartiroli]

historybrat wrote...

I don't know whats worse....

A. This is an intentional bug to force you play MP and in theory spend more money on the game

or

B. They planned to give us the war assets in a DLC. Whether or not they planned on charging us for this....they sold us an incomplete SP game.


Both thoughts are pretty disturbing and don't bode well for Bioware.

or

C. To see that there are people who are still ready to excuse them for that. 

[paul165]

tishyw wrote...

freler31 wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

If it was a bug it would have been fixed by now. This is their way of say PLAY MP. Which I refuse to do since this came up.

Not true unfortunately, there are plenty of bugs in the game that still haven't been fixed, including a literal gamebreaker one (Shepard getting stuck on the Normandy cockpit). That isn't an excuse though and I agree with you on your other points.

Haven't they fixed that bug yet either?  After getting stuck a couple of times I started doing a quick save before going and talking to Joker and EDI.  Saved me a lot of replays.

Actually at least for PC the game is now more broken than when it launched as it no longer even launches on PC without mucking around in task manager and crossing your fingers.

\\somuchhate.

Suggests why they were pushing origin though - prevents getting refunds for a broken product.

[coolbeans]

Gtacatalina wrote...

Here are some of the locked threads! First one 73 pages long.

http://social.biowar...10481662-1.html

http://social.biowar.../index/10288735
http://social.biowar.../index/10775764
http://social.biowar.../index/11868937
http://social.biowar.../index/11505865
http://social.biowar.../index/11505865
http://social.biowar.../index/11654728
http://social.biowar.../index/11655054
http://social.biowar.../index/10514797

Nice one GTAcatalina!


My favourite reply is this:

Chris Priestly wrote...

We are not lying and will not allow such accusations here.


LOCKDOWN!

<_<

So if its not lying, what is it Bioware? Been a month since you locked down the 73 page mega thread cause apparently we should all have been waiting on Mike Gambles twitter feed with bated breath for him to reply to a query regarding EMS.  It took your fans about  3 days to investigate and prove the lie of EMS, doesn't exactly inspire confidence that its taking the games creators months?


Ah I see the Faqs still telling porky pies

Goddamit still bitter

[CG Drum]

yeah... whole thing is beyond a joke now!

I have no understading of the lack of input from Bioware regarding this issue - or should I say the complete disregard of this issue.

In the meantime though they keep dishing out new MP DLC - shows you where their loyalty lies. I know they will say that it is a different team - but I just don't think that's a reasonable excuse anymore.

This issue has been raised for weeks well months now and still it has not been officially recognised or acknowledged. How hard would that be?!

I am afraid that this is making it feel like it was definetly a ploy to get us to play MP - regardless of whether we want to or not. And that makes this a game breaker for me and very worrying for the future of SP games.

Modifié par CG Drum, 11 juin 2012 - 10:56 .

[Aquilas]

We know BioWare lies. They've been lying about a whole lotta stuff since March 6th. It's well-documented. Unfortunately, by now their lies are a moot point.

My primary concern is this: that the breath ending is more than just a bonus deal for MP--that it will materially affect the EC content.

If it does, then official, legal action more serious than a complaint to the BBB may be warranted. I'll withhold my judgment until after I see the EC.

[AlanC9]

I dunno.... as a way to force us to play MP, it's awfully weak. As Getorex pointed out upthread, it's just a two-second bonus cutscene that doesn't tell you anything that might not have happened anyway.

Maybe it's just someone's dopey idea of an Easter Egg for playing MP?

Modifié par AlanC9, 11 juin 2012 - 02:56 .