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[historybrat]

Ravenmyste wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch < proof of no mp again gr is infected  this game  becasue i connected to the xbox after i pulled the plug  on my game after start up dont mind my blathering

Not trying to troll but what did you prove? I watched the video and I still don't know what you are trying to prove. If you GR was at 50%, like it would be for all solely SP, than you do not 4000+ EMS.

I did see the screen cap of when you had 8k+ active military strength but your Alliance assets were much higher than they are in the video. I know you are saying its some type of bug but I checked, you have promoted several N7 characters. Yes I know they did not show up in the Alliance assets when you showed the video but your Alliance assets were much lower than they were in the screen cap.

I would truly love to find out that there is a way and Bioware did not lie to us, but you haven't proven that yet. Sorry I really am not trolling you but you have not proven anything.

Show me a playthrough with your GR at 50%, and over 4000 EMS and then I will believe it. Its not a bug infected your set up that's preventing your from proving to us, its because its not possible.

Modifié par historybrat, 12 juin 2012 - 04:00 .

[devSin]

After several hundred pages of this issue over the last few months, guys, we can simply ignore people who don't know what they're talking about. You don't need to ask them for "proof" or argue with them when they claim it's possible.

We don't need "debates" on whether the Earth is flat or not. There are fewer than 8,000 total assets in the single-player game. 4,000 EMS is not possible without means other than unmodified single-player.

Modifié par devSin, 12 juin 2012 - 04:38 .

[CG Drum]

As we suspect - no proof except that it hasn't been achieved. Why am I not surprised. "sigh"

So back to the nitty gritty...

...come on Bioware where are you and when is this issue going to be resolved.

[Starscream723]

Could somebody point me in the direction of a comprehensive list of war assets and their values please?

I used the wiki shortly after the game came out, but it was definitely missing some (probably due to it being early days). I'm assuming somebody somewhere has a complete, full list now?

[Star fury]

So Bio pretend to ignore this issue and lock all threads where most people can see it. Cool.

[3DandBeyond]

Ravenmyste wrote...


as i said before... what do people have selective hearing and reading?   i said GR infects games regardless ONCE you plugged the game in to mp iot will infect all games!! regardless so youre wrong

You have a 94% GR so you did not get enough assets within the SP game alone to always have an EMS above 4k.  My EMS with 100% GR and with promoted teams is about 8300, but take away the N7s of 1200, and my EMS is 7100.  But at 50% GR I will be under 4k.

Once you stop playing MP your galactic readiness will drop sharply and bottom out at 50%.  For instance, I can play and get to 100%.  Two hours later it's at 99.  The next day it's 96 and then later that day, 94.  So in two days it dropped 6%.  That means in just over 2 weeks of no MP, it will drop to 50%.  And so your assets of 6991 will be about 3496 and holding, unless you start up MP again.  It is impossible in SP alone to get EMS high enough with that 50% GR.

Furthermore, you can promote teams within MP, but those only stay as N7 assets if you are online.  I have no idea if they are there if you don't keep up an xboxlive gold subscription.

[dekkerd]

Starscream723 wrote...

Could somebody point me in the direction of a comprehensive list of war assets and their values please?

I used the wiki shortly after the game came out, but it was definitely missing some (probably due to it being early days). I'm assuming somebody somewhere has a complete, full list now?

http://social.biowar.../index/10119654

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

When Age of Conan first came out there was a glitch in their online account manager that was charging an extra month of subscription to peoples' credit cards after they had cancelled their accounts.

Naturally people complained, and tried to get their money back.  The response?  Lock every thread, ban everyone who complained and pretend like the problem didn't exist.  It got sorted out eventually, but their initial reaction was still the definition of sleaze.

Not that this problem is quite so ridiculous, but the ability to play single player without having to play multiplayer was something Bioware demonstrably promised us.  Hiding in the broom closet and hoping we'll go away hasn't worked well for them so far and I don't see it working now.

[Starscream723]

dekkerd wrote...

Starscream723 wrote...

Could somebody point me in the direction of a comprehensive list of war assets and their values please?

I used the wiki shortly after the game came out, but it was definitely missing some (probably due to it being early days). I'm assuming somebody somewhere has a complete, full list now?

http://social.biowar.../index/10119654

Many thanks

[Grubas]

Star fury wrote...

So Bio pretend to ignore this issue and lock all threads where most people can see it. Cool.

Well they dont offer an update so..

[tishyw]

So, it appears that Bioware are trying to burying this thread again. Honestly, I think it would take less time for them to actually fix the problem that it does for them to monitor and lock threads about it!

[Gtacatalina]

coolbeans wrote...

Opened a thread in General discussion http://social.biowar...3881/1#12534009

Wonder what its fate shall be....

It's got the Priestly treatment

Seems like the devs can't make up their minds. Firstly they said it was a tech issue so it should be in the tech forums, then they've left a thread in the general discussion forum for a month and now apparently it's a story and campaign thread!

Modifié par Gtacatalina, 13 juin 2012 - 08:31 .

[coolbeans]

Gtacatalina wrote...

coolbeans wrote...

Opened a thread in General discussion http://social.biowar...3881/1#12534009

Wonder what its fate shall be....

It's got the Priestly treatment

Seems like the devs can't make up their minds. Firstly they said it was a tech issue so it should be in the tech forums, then they've left a thread in the general discussion forum for a month and now apparently it's a story and campaign thread!

Don't forget the fact it lived in the general discussion forum for months before it "magically" became a tech issue.  classy way to deal with the community there <_<

Cant have potential new customers seeing a thread catagorically proving bioware breaks its promises, best shuffle it off to the story section and hope that burys it.

The sad thing is an admission of a mistake would have diffused a huge amount of the ill feeling I am feeling towards the company.

An official forum post saying "We are aware of the mistake and should have a solution shortly"  Instead we got

"We do not lie! LOCKDOWN"
"I managed it?" Thomas Abrams via PM, when queried on it:  /ignore
"Some dude mentioned on twitter that we were investigating it, take it to the techforums, LOCKDOWN" (paraphrasing)

Its a tech issue, no its a general issue, no its a story issue, hundred and hundreds of pages, meticulous work by fans proving the problem and not one single response in any of those threads, except to LOCK THAT **** DOWN.

These last few months have seen Bioware go from a preorder, collectors edition the very minute its announced, to a "well I'll wait for community reviews", now its a "I will only buy their games preowned"  I don't care how good the reviews are, I will not reward Bioware with my money for the shocking treatment they have shown their customers regarding this issue.

They will need to do a hell of a lot to regain my trust as a consumer, I'm talking games of a Baldurs gate 2 quality lot here.

[paul165]

And it was all so incredibly easy to avoid. As you say a simple 'oops didn't mean to do that we will patch it asap' would have been fine.

As various people have pointed out it is an incredibly easy fix- by computer game standards.

Then again their bug fixing for this game is atrocious. Patch 1.03 judging by the comments on the thread doesn't work and only 'fixed' MP anyway. They deny this issue exists, didn't fix face import and haven't even touched any of the game breaking bugs.

To cap this little tale they have introduced new bugs into the PC version as it doesn't even launch half the time anymore.

But somehow they still have time to rebalance MP every week.

Bioware has definately been downgraded to a maybe bargain basement purchase rather than a day one preorder.

[Salaya]

I can't believe that after all this time...

How is that this issue has not been officially treated? What is worse, why people who points the issue is receiving such treatment in the forums? I feel like they take us for idiots! The FAQ still keeps the lie about EMS; the devs do not say any single official word about it, at least in public, and every time someone complains in the "wrong" place, the thread gets closed.

Really Bioware, all this issue and your way to handle it is cheap.Disappointing.

[AsteroidBlues]

I've been lurking these forums for a couple days and am not a "forum guy" so please don't flame.  I know a lot of these points have probably been made but this is how I feel.  After buying my pre-ordered collector's edition on day one, I put off playing until I was done with the school year and work let up a bit (plus after Skyrim I figured some games just need time to get patched).  But after having the endings were spoiled for me by unhappy friends and hearing about the EC I still wanted to play and get my own opinion.  But I wanted to go in informed so I cheated a bit and looked up Assets on the wiki as I played.  I remained confused throughout because I did everything and am stuck at 3600 EMS just before the attack on the Cerberus Base.  Hence, my research into WTH is I did wrong because I also researched if SP could stand alone after the announced MP.  I wen't ahead after seeing the the company itself assured everyone that SP has everything.  So here I am, and I have to say, looking at the way in which Bioware is treating this issue and their consumer base is appalling.  Fans came forward respectfully with legitimate concerns about not receiving a product which they bought and were assured was complete; and instead of addressing the issue and treating these fans with the respect they deserve, they LOCKDOWN, move, and effectively bury any thread pertaining to this issue.  classy.  and this leads me to the conclusion which brought me out of silence:

They do think you're stupid.  They know that for every one person recognizing this issue and seeing the product was delivered incomplete, there are 10 others who do not understand the issue, are enjoying the MP so they don't see the problem, or just don't mind/care; and there are more dollars coming from their ignorance than our concerns.  Actually, I believe the company men are probably on orders not to address this issue by the higher ups who recognize the MP is where money will come from.  There are probably people in the company who agree and empathize with us but are silenced.  The fact that GR exists is proof of the company's stance that MP > SP.  By adding a GR meter defaulting at 50%, the game if effectively PUNISHING anyone who does not spend time in MP by greatly reducing the TMS you already earned.  EMS is a child of GR because an original game and decent idea would only factor TMS because there would be no need for anything else.  Instead of adding something extra to the game for a MP bonus, they take away the assets we have already earned in SP.  So to get em back, we must go online.  This is also effective by keeping it to drop is you don't keep playing MP, more punishment by taking those points away again, and again.  It was probably genius in their eyes, they thought they could sway more players over to MP this way.  I refuse, I canceled my XBox Live a while back and I am
not paying 60 bucks a year to play an online more that is mediocre at best (yes I've played with friends).

Sorry for the bulk but that's how I feel and I have a lot on my mind about this.  This game had a lot going for it but many things ar leaving a bad taste, besides the endings because I haven't even seen them.  Allers existence, Wong getting offed by Twitter...  and they just don't care.  So this EMS situation can't help but remind me of the taxation without representation problem on the American colonies, and we can see how that turned out.

I gave Bioware mad props after Mass Effect 2 for how well they listened to the fanbase, even after DA2.  I see now that was undeserved.

Modifié par AsteroidBlues, 13 juin 2012 - 05:35 .

[JPN17]

coolbeans wrote...

Gtacatalina wrote...

coolbeans wrote...

Opened a thread in General discussion http://social.biowar...3881/1#12534009

Wonder what its fate shall be....

It's got the Priestly treatment

Seems like the devs can't make up their minds. Firstly they said it was a tech issue so it should be in the tech forums, then they've left a thread in the general discussion forum for a month and now apparently it's a story and campaign thread!

Don't forget the fact it lived in the general discussion forum for months before it "magically" became a tech issue.  classy way to deal with the community there <_<

Cant have potential new customers seeing a thread catagorically proving bioware breaks its promises, best shuffle it off to the story section and hope that burys it.

The sad thing is an admission of a mistake would have diffused a huge amount of the ill feeling I am feeling towards the company.

An official forum post saying "We are aware of the mistake and should have a solution shortly"  Instead we got

"We do not lie! LOCKDOWN"
"I managed it?" Thomas Abrams via PM, when queried on it:  /ignore
"Some dude mentioned on twitter that we were investigating it, take it to the techforums, LOCKDOWN" (paraphrasing)

Its a tech issue, no its a general issue, no its a story issue, hundred and hundreds of pages, meticulous work by fans proving the problem and not one single response in any of those threads, except to LOCK THAT **** DOWN.

These last few months have seen Bioware go from a preorder, collectors edition the very minute its announced, to a "well I'll wait for community reviews", now its a "I will only buy their games preowned"  I don't care how good the reviews are, I will not reward Bioware with my money for the shocking treatment they have shown their customers regarding this issue.

They will need to do a hell of a lot to regain my trust as a consumer, I'm talking games of a Baldurs gate 2 quality lot here.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Bioware has acted disgracefully for the past 3 months and is a perfect example of how not to behave as a company.

[Ibn_Shisha]

How very surprising - another thread locked down!

Anyway, this was my "inb4" on that thread:

One thing that really gets to me is that lately, many forumites talk
about the "best" or "optimal" ending, and how, if we (or Bioware) accept
"green" as the "best" or "optimal" ending (which I don't), then it is possible.

However, if we look at Gamble's 2/2/12 interview (just 12 days before the demo!), the words "best" or "optimal" are not mentioned.  Instead:

"Of course you don’t have to
play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in
single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same
endings and same information, it’s just a totally different way of
playing."

BOLD added by me for emphasis.

Modifié par Ibn_Shisha, 13 juin 2012 - 07:19 .

[admcmei]

Coming back to the forum after about a month pause from all things ME and still this issue has not even had a single acknowledgement. At least have the respect to acknowledge that it's on purpose (at this point it HAS to be), ignoring it only ends up making it look shadier and more dishonest (and irritating when you write on the threads to lock them and not even respond with a single word to the issue), what you communicate to your audience is that you have something to hide.

[coolbeans]

Ok guys, job interview tomorrow, keep or lose the beard?

*edit*

stoopid coolbeans, wrong forum, i suppose the question still stands though

Modifié par coolbeans, 13 juin 2012 - 09:03 .

[Dimensio]

historybrat wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch < proof of no mp again gr is infected  this game  becasue i connected to the xbox after i pulled the plug  on my game after start up dont mind my blathering

Not trying to troll but what did you prove? I watched the video and I still don't know what you are trying to prove. If you GR was at 50%, like it would be for all solely SP, than you do not 4000+ EMS.

I did see the screen cap of when you had 8k+ active military strength but your Alliance assets were much higher than they are in the video. I know you are saying its some type of bug but I checked, you have promoted several N7 characters. Yes I know they did not show up in the Alliance assets when you showed the video but your Alliance assets were much lower than they were in the screen cap.

I would truly love to find out that there is a way and Bioware did not lie to us, but you haven't proven that yet. Sorry I really am not trolling you but you have not proven anything.

Show me a playthrough with your GR at 50%, and over 4000 EMS and then I will believe it. Its not a bug infected your set up that's preventing your from proving to us, its because its not possible.

I responded to his video with the statement that the displayed Total Military Score is less than the 8000 score required for an Effective Military Score of 4000 at a Galactic Readiness of 50%.  He deleted my comment, blocked further comments from me and claimed that I was "trolling".  Based upon his willful and blatant dishonesty, I can confidently conclude that ravenmyste is a liar and that he cannot be trusted.

[Dimensio]

Ravenmyste wrote...

Nina88 wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch < proof of no mp again gr is infected  this game  becasue i connected to the xbox after i pulled the plug  on my game after start up dont mind my blathering

LOL! So you have 6991 TMS. If you play Single Player only, your galactic readiness stays at 50%. So divide 6991 by 2 (50% of TMS) to get your EMS: 3495. So you are wrong. Had you played SP only, you would have less than 4000. Case and point.

I think you're confused with your GR. You do not need to promote in MP to increase your GR. Playing MP is enough, as playing MP without promoting raises the percentage. Promoting raises your Alliance assets (included in TMS).

So in your video, your GR  is 94%, instead of the 50% it would have been had you been playing SP only. Which is why your EMS shows 6571.

Again, for the millionth time, if you play SP only your GR stays stuck at 50%. Meaning you have to divide your TMS by 2 to get your Single Player only EMS. So in your case, 3495.

Do you get it now?

as i said before... what do people have selective hearing and reading?   i said GR infects games regardless ONCE you plugged the game in to mp iot will infect all games!! regardless so youre wrong

If a player never plays multiplayer and never imports from the iOS application, than that player's Galactic Readiness will be locked at 50%.  At that Galactic Readiness, the Effective Military Strength will always be half of the Total Military Strength.   Therefore, to attain an Effective Military Strength of 4000 without raising Galactic Readiness, a Total Military Strength of 8000 is required.  Because this discussion relates to players who never play multiplayer at all, supposed "infection" of a multiplayer session is entirely irrelevant; such players will never have any multiplayer progress to "infect" their game.
Your video demonstrates a Total Military Strength of 6991.  This strength is less than 8000.  As such, you have not demonstrated that an Effective Military Strength of 4000 is attainable when multiplayer is never played at all by a player.  As such, your claim of "proving" such a score attainable without multiplayer is a demonstrable lie.  You, therefore, are a liar and, as such, your claims are not credible.

Your deletion of my comment from your video, and your blocking of future commentary, is further demonstration of your dishonesty; I have observed similar tactics used by creationists in an attempt to hide refutation of their false claims.

Modifié par Dimensio, 13 juin 2012 - 10:24 .

[AsteroidBlues]

Dimensio wrote...
As such, you have not demonstrated that an Effective Military Strength of 4000 is attainable when multiplayer is never played at all by a player.  As such, your claim of "proving" such a score attainable without multiplayer is a demonstrable lie.  You, therefore, are a liar and, as such, your claims are not credible.

Your deletion of my comment from your video, and your blocking of future commentary, is further demonstration of your dishonesty; I have observed similar tactics used by creationists in an attempt to hide refutation of their false claims.

For a second I thought you were talking about Bioware   I saw the video, there's no convincing that guy.



As for Bioware I don't want to call the company liars mainly because it risks having the thread locked down.  But Bioware promised to do something, didn't, and are hiding the evidence proving it.  So what else is there to call them?  Or is "cowards" too harsh?

[ArtGerhardt]

It seems like he is confusing "no internet required" with "no multplayer required." He thinks unplugging is Ethernet cord means anything. No, that just means you won't be able to play your game once you switch back to the main menu. If i say anything more about him I'm just gonna get a banhammer for insulting someone.

[tishyw]

I think it's fairly clear at this point that this scene not being accessable to SP only players wasn't a mistake and isn't a bug. That really only leaves one option and I'm afraid that that one option leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

The only upside is watching the DA dev team scamble everytime MP is mentioned on their threads trying to assure us that if MP is included in DA3 (which it almost certainly will be), it will be done very differently and won't be tied to the SP game at all.