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[Szuli]

AsteroidBlues wrote...


I still wonder, myself, why so many threads about this issue get the LOCKDOWN while this one (while moved) survives.

Maybe Priestly figured that by giving us one thread to talk in can be buried and controlled more readily.  If he locked down all of them they would keep popping up.  Now BW can funnel those of us who recognize this issue here, and segregate us from the rest of the populace.

At the end of those threads, my eyes read "LOCKDOWN" but my mind hears "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL"

That's exactly what happened before and that was exactly what I said about it then. They kept one thread about this issue in the non spoiler section, locked down every other thread and sent everybody to that one megathread. AFAIK they never officially replied to any posts in that thread, until Priestly came in and said they were investigating the issue and boom - LOCKDOWN - with evil smiley of course. After that if somebody tried to post anything again about this, the thread was immediately locked down.

I didn't even know that a thread like this was allowed to exist again until I saw it here. I wonder how long before this gets the axe, too.

[coolbeans]

Szuli wrote...

AsteroidBlues wrote...


I still wonder, myself, why so many threads about this issue get the LOCKDOWN while this one (while moved) survives.

Maybe Priestly figured that by giving us one thread to talk in can be buried and controlled more readily.  If he locked down all of them they would keep popping up.  Now BW can funnel those of us who recognize this issue here, and segregate us from the rest of the populace.

At the end of those threads, my eyes read "LOCKDOWN" but my mind hears "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL"

That's exactly what happened before and that was exactly what I said about it then. They kept one thread about this issue in the non spoiler section, locked down every other thread and sent everybody to that one megathread. AFAIK they never officially replied to any posts in that thread, until Priestly came in and said they were investigating the issue and boom - LOCKDOWN - with evil smiley of course. After that if somebody tried to post anything again about this, the thread was immediately locked down.

I didn't even know that a thread like this was allowed to exist again until I saw it here. I wonder how long before this gets the axe, too.

Remember he didn't actually acknowledge the problem he said

"As someone else said, we are investigating the issue"

That smacks of weasel words to me, No Bioware employee has acknowledged this issue on the BSN.

Give it another few days, Mr Priestly will be in to lock this thread down and send us all to the mulitplayer forums to carry on the discussion. <_<

[redknight38]

I strongly suspect this was a way to combat piracy and a way to still profit from second-hand sales, since you need a unique and valid ID to be able to play multi-player. It's like in Arkham Assylum, where the Bat's gliding cloak doesn't work if it's an improperly cracked pirated game. As such, I sincerely doubt it'll get addressed.

[coolbeans]

redknight38 wrote...

I strongly suspect this was a way to combat piracy and a way to still profit from second-hand sales, since you need a unique and valid ID to be able to play multi-player. It's like in Arkham Assylum, where the Bat's gliding cloak doesn't work if it's an improperly cracked pirated game. As such, I sincerely doubt it'll get addressed.

Its a pity then, cause this kind of dickery is just going to lead people to pirate Biowares games, I mean I've gone from a preorder day one guy, to a Pick up preowned, there's got to be quite a few who will think  "cant trust Bioware, may as well pirate it"

(Note coolbeans does not endorse piracy)

[redknight38]

coolbeans wrote...
Its a pity then, cause this kind of dickery is just going to lead people to pirate Biowares games, I mean I've gone from a preorder day one guy, to a Pick up preowned, there's got to be quite a few who will think  "cant trust Bioware, may as well pirate it"

(Note coolbeans does not endorse piracy)

If my theory is true (it's just a "speculation" after all) it probably seemed like a "hidden" or more "clever" way of getting around piracy-- as opposed to, say draconian DRM or forcing players to constantly be logged on. The way they've handled the issue-- apparent (I emphasize apparent) falsehood, obfuscation and now, stone-walling and attempts at burying also suggest this is deliberate and kind of reinforce my idea it's an attempt at anti-piracy. It literally takes 10 minutes to fix by editing your game files but their refusal to address this is... telling.

[Szuli]

coolbeans wrote...

Szuli wrote...

AsteroidBlues wrote...


I still wonder, myself, why so many threads about this issue get the LOCKDOWN while this one (while moved) survives.

Maybe Priestly figured that by giving us one thread to talk in can be buried and controlled more readily.  If he locked down all of them they would keep popping up.  Now BW can funnel those of us who recognize this issue here, and segregate us from the rest of the populace.

At the end of those threads, my eyes read "LOCKDOWN" but my mind hears "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL"

That's exactly what happened before and that was exactly what I said about it then. They kept one thread about this issue in the non spoiler section, locked down every other thread and sent everybody to that one megathread. AFAIK they never officially replied to any posts in that thread, until Priestly came in and said they were investigating the issue and boom - LOCKDOWN - with evil smiley of course. After that if somebody tried to post anything again about this, the thread was immediately locked down.

I didn't even know that a thread like this was allowed to exist again until I saw it here. I wonder how long before this gets the axe, too.

Remember he didn't actually acknowledge the problem he said

"As someone else said, we are investigating the issue"

That smacks of weasel words to me, No Bioware employee has acknowledged this issue on the BSN.

Give it another few days, Mr Priestly will be in to lock this thread down and send us all to the mulitplayer forums to carry on the discussion. <_<

You're absolutely right, I forgot about that. I actually bookmarked the page so I can always look it up and this is what he said:

"As people have pointed out, Mike Gamble has said on his Twitter account
that we are investigating this . When we have information on it, we will
let everyone know."

This was, according to the thread, about 1 month ago.

http://social.biowar...dex/10481662/73

[3DandBeyond]

redknight38 wrote...

I strongly suspect this was a way to
combat piracy and a way to still profit from second-hand sales, since
you need a unique and valid ID to be able to play multi-player. It's
like in Arkham Assylum, where the Bat's gliding cloak doesn't work if
it's an improperly cracked pirated game. As such, I sincerely doubt
it'll get addressed.

Since the game does not require
you be online to play SP, this is doubtful.  You get a onetime passcode
that you use to play online.  The game is not being validated as
belonging to you or having a valid passcode unless you attempt to play
MP.  The passcode is the only thing unique to each player.

The only online requirement is for MP, of course.  This is
purely done (in cynical circles) in order to force people to play MP so
that Spectre and other packs may be purchased.

[coolbeans]

Szuli wrote...

coolbeans wrote...

Szuli wrote...

AsteroidBlues wrote...


I still wonder, myself, why so many threads about this issue get the LOCKDOWN while this one (while moved) survives.

Maybe Priestly figured that by giving us one thread to talk in can be buried and controlled more readily.  If he locked down all of them they would keep popping up.  Now BW can funnel those of us who recognize this issue here, and segregate us from the rest of the populace.

At the end of those threads, my eyes read "LOCKDOWN" but my mind hears "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL"

That's exactly what happened before and that was exactly what I said about it then. They kept one thread about this issue in the non spoiler section, locked down every other thread and sent everybody to that one megathread. AFAIK they never officially replied to any posts in that thread, until Priestly came in and said they were investigating the issue and boom - LOCKDOWN - with evil smiley of course. After that if somebody tried to post anything again about this, the thread was immediately locked down.

I didn't even know that a thread like this was allowed to exist again until I saw it here. I wonder how long before this gets the axe, too.

Remember he didn't actually acknowledge the problem he said

"As someone else said, we are investigating the issue"

That smacks of weasel words to me, No Bioware employee has acknowledged this issue on the BSN.

Give it another few days, Mr Priestly will be in to lock this thread down and send us all to the mulitplayer forums to carry on the discussion. <_<

You're absolutely right, I forgot about that. I actually bookmarked the page so I can always look it up and this is what he said:

"As people have pointed out, Mike Gamble has said on his Twitter account
that we are investigating this . When we have information on it, we will
let everyone know."

This was, according to the thread, about 1 month ago.

http://social.biowar...dex/10481662/73

And that really ucked me off,

"As people have pointed out" Not bioware people, just some scrotey forumites, so we can have deniability when we come back with nothing, followed by LOCKDOWN 


Why  in the name of Heras ****** (watching a lot of spartacus at the moment) would you lock down a thread discussing a major issue just cause you have (sort of) acknowledged the problem, thats just pants on head retarded.

Well we all know the answer, gotta keep pumping that multiplayer, gotta milk those dumb enough to pay their microtransactions, goddam microtransactions in a £40 game, that **** flies in FTP, not here Bioware.

And months to investigate this issue? pull the other one, its got bells on.  This forum managed to do all the "Investigating" you required within about a week of launch.

What happened Bioware, you used to be cool?

Modifié par coolbeans, 16 juin 2012 - 12:09 .

[somecthemes]

As much as it irritates me, this is kinda a minor point of contention to me. Couldn't Bioware just issue a code that will allow a person to immediately reach 100% without being a MP groupie? A freebie like the EC, so they don't end up charging some sod because he isn't online to play or is not able to maintain a decent connection when he can play.
It would still irk those who don't have a broadband connection to xbox live, or the equiv, but it would keep them from having to redo a lot of values in a patch.
Certainly if Bioware seems to duck the issue a lot and try to push it under a rug, I'd at least like the code option so I can have access to all the ending scenes. Why bother with replay if I can't do any better than I already have?

[Szuli]

coolbeans wrote...

*snip

And that really ucked me off,

"As people have pointed out" Not bioware people, just some scrotey forumites, so we can have deniability when we come back with nothing, followed by LOCKDOWN 


Why  in the name of Heras ****** (watching a lot of spartacus at the moment) would you lock down a thread discussing a major issue just cause you have (sort of) acknowledged the problem, thats just pants on head retarded.

Well we all know the answer, gotta keep pumping that multiplayer, gotta milk those dumb enough to pay their microtransactions, goddam microtransactions in a £40 game, that **** flies in FTP, not here Bioware.

And months to investigate this issue? pull the other one, its got bells on.  This forum managed to do all the "Investigating" you required within about a week of launch.

What happened Bioware, you used to be cool?

I agree and you also made me giggle, especially at "Why  in the name of Heras ******"

I also agree with you, somecthemes.

[3DandBeyond]

somecthemes wrote...

As much as it irritates me, this is kinda a minor point of contention to me. Couldn't Bioware just issue a code that will allow a person to immediately reach 100% without being a MP groupie? A freebie like the EC, so they don't end up charging some sod because he isn't online to play or is not able to maintain a decent connection when he can play.
It would still irk those who don't have a broadband connection to xbox live, or the equiv, but it would keep them from having to redo a lot of values in a patch.
Certainly if Bioware seems to duck the issue a lot and try to push it under a rug, I'd at least like the code option so I can have access to all the ending scenes. Why bother with replay if I can't do any better than I already have?

That's the big question-a simple fix would be to add some points to war assets or to make the TMS just double what it is so if you hit 50% in GR, it wouldn't matter or something like that.  The question is then why hasn't this been done?

That's what everyone wants to know.  And the fact is we have no idea how or if this will impact anything in the EC.

[Whatshisnameagain]

3DandBeyond wrote...
That's what everyone wants to know.

What I want to know is why BW decided to shoehorn multiplayer into single player.

(Well, to be honest, I'm 99.99999% sure of what the answer is anyway....I just want to hear what excuse they would spit out)

[3DandBeyond]

Whatshisnameagain wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...
That's what everyone wants to know.

What I want to know is why BW decided to shoehorn multiplayer into single player.

(Well, to be honest, I'm 99.99999% sure of what the answer is anyway....I just want to hear what excuse they would spit out)

Well of course we all want to know that, but we already know why.  What people here want to know is if they are now claiming it's a bug, then why hasn't what would be an easy fix, been done.

You know, for some reason there seems to be an underestimation of the intelligence of the game's fans.  All ways around.  Too stupid not to understand the idiocy that they want us to think is thoughty and special.  Yeah, right.  In a game with reaper tag.  And then they think we don't know what's up with the MP/SP tie in.  Uh, Bioware, you created 3 games with an actual storyline and that actually appeals to adults with a vocabulary of more than monosyllabic words.  Now, you seem to think we have the same selective memories as you or as the one marketing guy said--he doesn't remember things that happened 8 years ago, so why would fans remember what happened in these games? 

Or, furthermore, why would fans remember promises made in order to get us to buy these games?  Multiplayer was not supposed to be required, but is.  And it could be fixed very simply for most people.  After that, it's up to Bioware to do something for people who can't or don't go online to fix their games.

Guess what?  Fans remember everything.  And if they don't, they look it up.

[mambastyle]

I seriously doubt this issue will ever be addressed and that's why we've heard nothing official about it. The system is working as was intended, so why fix it?

[Forsythia]

3DandBeyond wrote...

The one thing you can do alternatively besides trying to constantly keep that gr at 100% is to promote MP teams.  You get 75 in assets per promotion, but must  be online for them to show up.

Thanks for the tip, I might actually do that. But then again, this means I have to disconnect my console from the internet when I want a game without those assets. Oh well, that's better than having to grind to 100% GR I guess.

[3DandBeyond]

Forsythia wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

The one thing you can do alternatively besides trying to constantly keep that gr at 100% is to promote MP teams.  You get 75 in assets per promotion, but must  be online for them to show up.

Thanks for the tip, I might actually do that. But then again, this means I have to disconnect my console from the internet when I want a game without those assets. Oh well, that's better than having to grind to 100% GR I guess.

Takes a heck of a lot of promotions though.  There's one guy at least that has almost all he needs in EMS (even if GR is at 50%) to get the "best" ending with MP promotions alone.  Of course, you need to still do all the main quest items to advance the story, but he doesn't need to even do all of the sidequests and reaper tag missions any more.

[coolbeans]

From the Lamenting the Single player ME3 Experience
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/12549967/1

Fozee wrote...

ItsTheTruth wrote...

Because
MP makes it easier to suck up cash as fast as possible, and it costs
almost nothing to produce compared to a single-player DLC like LOTSB.

That is why ME4 will be multiplayer only, so just be thankful you got some kind of single-player campaign.

Baseless lies aren't a good idea for anyone.

I just had to lol:lol:

[coolbeans]

Hmm looks, like the tactic of burying the issue in the story sections working well, way to "manage" the community there bioware.

Coming soon, dragon age 3, mandatory multiplayer to level past lvl 10 and spam your friends facebook pages in order to progress onto disk 2....

[blue water]

coolbeans wrote...

Hmm looks, like the tactic of burying the issue in the story sections working well, way to "manage" the community there bioware.

Coming soon, dragon age 3, mandatory multiplayer to level past lvl 10 and spam your friends facebook pages in order to progress onto disk 2....

I haven't forgotten.

[CG Drum]

Don't worry - am sure there are enough of us to keep this thread alive and kicking.

Bioware may be doing their best to hide it - but let's be honest they could have just shut it down again. Though all that would do is get another one started.

I find it really frustrating that so many "ending" threads are allowed but this is restricted to one - what's all that about?

This problem remains an issue with no acknowledgement... at least the ending issue has been addressed and is being dealt with.

So come on Bioware acknowledge the SP EMS problem and please, pretty please sort it out.

Modifié par CG Drum, 17 juin 2012 - 01:00 .

[coolbeans]

Can they not see how important it is to fix this
How about throwing their fans a freaking bone
Really, how hard can it be to fix the issue
I personally am ignorant on the
Subject

All I know is that
Now they have succeeded in alienating the fanbase
Something that will bite them in the ass in the future
When their core fans refuse to trust them
Everyone knows this is the case
Random lockdowns and thread moves will not make it better

Unless they buy me an Ipad with which to bump my GR
Screw you is what I say to bioware now.

[Subguy614]

I really hated this EMS thing too. I was forced to buy xbox gold, and since my son is much better at multiplayer games, I had him get my GR up for the breath scene.

On a 3rd PT, he wouldn't MP for me, so had to do it myself. Guess what? It's pretty fun. I'm not really able to go silver on an all random team, but MP being co-op makes it tolerable for an old less skilled player like me.

I still think being forced to play it is wrong, but it's still kinda fun. Been MP'ing waiting for EC.

Maybe BW used the forced MP to get players like me who almost never play MP into it, and will one day fix the issue for those who still don't/can't play MP.(always the optimist)

Happy Father's Day!

Edit for typo

Modifié par Subguy614, 17 juin 2012 - 01:12 .

[paul165]

coolbeans wrote...

Can they not see how important it is to fix this
How about throwing their fans a freaking bone
Really, how hard can it be to fix the issue
I personally am ignorant on the
Subject

All I know is that
Now they have succeeded in alienating the fanbase
Something that will bite them in the ass in the future
When their core fans refuse to trust them
Everyone knows this is the case
Random lockdowns and thread moves will not make it better

Unless they buy me an Ipad with which to bump my GR
Screw you is what I say to bioware now.

**Snicker** Very nice. It has now been a week since my most recent and final PM to Chris with this:

"PS As I have sent several messages to several people regarding this
issue over the months the game has been out and have yet to receive a
response I feel that failure to respond to this message will have to
been taken as confirmation that this feature is working as intended."

So I feel entirely justified in assuming it is a deliberate FU to the consumer base (Allen's comment aside).

Yes I know it's hardly conclusive but I think it is good enough for me. Oh well doubtless from their perspective the money they make on spectre packs justifies all the future sales they lose from producing a crap SP experience.

[Kub666]

coolbeans wrote...

Hmm looks, like the tactic of burying the issue in the story sections working well, way to "manage" the community there bioware.

Coming soon, dragon age 3, mandatory multiplayer to level past lvl 10 and spam your friends facebook pages in order to progress onto disk 2....

Dragon Age developers are actually aware of this problem and assured their fans that this will not be the case for DA3. This is quite telling, isn't it?

As for the community managers in Bioware - they treat their customers like whining kids and basically only reply to things like "I love your game! You're great!". The way they treat this "issue", this condescending attitude and lack of respect to their paying customers, and overall lack of maturity, will probably bite them back at some point, but who knows. It shows you that video game business is still lacking in following customer service best practices that are standard for other industries. It's not a question of them being corporate shills or EA pawns - it's them not being aware of how to manage the users, as if EA itself did not have good practices and experience in this to show them.

I would be more than happy if the community managers here started acting professionally and with respect, or in other words - in more corporate way. I don't need their snarky remarks and telling people they are stupid (I have just seen Chris doing this in another thread). I understand some of the users here are, in fact, whiny stupid kids, but it just shows your level of professionality if you are on level with them, and it offends normal people. Especially when it happens in forums like this one - as you have to register a game to post here, it means every one of us here is a paying customer. Think where your salary comes from, community managers.

[Szuli]

I totally agree with you. The way they have been treating us, their customers, is appalling. Especially when a legitimate issue is discussed in a polite manner - why is there no answer then? But if somebody posts a glowing thread, they can answer right away.