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[Erenbe]

malhar34 wrote...
Now my question is if their way is getting them money why turn away from it? If making a garbage ending and forcing MP on us and then making millions plus EXTRA profit from the 2-3$ packs in MP why would EA/Bioware listen to us. We are the minority who want a proper ending & 4000+ EMS achievable in SP. There are countless "drones" out there who buy the games + MP packs and net EA profit.

Well, having even a vocal minority crying out and trashing the game on every review site is bad PR. Of course they would "listen" to the fans and try to mend things. The question is though what are they doing? I have my doubts that the EC will give the fans what they so desperately want. It will be a collection of new cutscenes that might explain some of the plot holes or not....will give some extra insight into Shepard or not! It's completely unknown what the EC will contain....but I guess they hope that just announcing something will quiet down the outcry. We'll see this summer if the backlash can be stopped or if it will increase. 
I am pretty sure though that they won't address the EMS issue...I don't think it's a bug. I am convinced that this was intended as it is.  

Krogangreetings wrote...
The trouble is it's a very short term plan, some fans won't be back for ME4/DA3 because of the treatment we've got here, the "Call of Duty crowd" they chase so hard are fickle and will move on to the next online blaster pretty quickly (most on my friend list already have) plus the issue they are having with peole losing unlocks etc

Aren't those business plans always short term? If you can get a lot of money in a short time....somehow businesses seem to prefer that than having a steady and still high income over a longer period of time! 

[Kenshen]

Erenbe wrote...

I am pretty sure though that they won't address the EMS issue...I don't think it's a bug. I am convinced that this was intended as it is.  

I agree that the EMS issue is more likely working as intended but if the overall goal was to get people to play mp then again they failed with the ending we got.  Had we gotten the type of endings we were lied too about there still would been a lot of rage and hate on these boards that mp was part of the sp game but at the same time there would have been a mass flooding into the mp game to get those better endings that should have come with a higher EMS score.  There are just so many things that don't seem like they were very well thought out or even thought out at all.

Modifié par aryon69, 02 mai 2012 - 07:50 .

[abaris]

aryon69 wrote...

There are just so many things that don't seem like they were very well thought out or even thought out at all.

It certainly gives that impression.

I always wonder if they're doing some kind of market research since they haven't got a clearly defined target audience. To much text for the shoot 'em up preteens and to little interaction, combined with multiplayer for the RPG crowd.

Since DAII I get the impression, they're trying to create a Jack of all Trades and that usually doesn't end well in the business world.

[tbb033]

ringdrossel wrote...

I think I said it in another thread but I'll say it again: Use the apps. The strategy is no bug. Its BWs way to force you to play the poor excuse of a multiplayer. But there is a work around: If you have the possibility you can download the free mobile app "Datapad" and push your readiness with it.

Is this trolling?

Not everyone has an iWhatever. Not everyone wants to use the apps any more than they want to play MP. Your solution is no solution at all.

[M920CAIN]

Well, in my experience (hardcore explorer), you can't get more than 3850 EMS in the single player experience. You can get probably a bit more (about 3900-3950) if you have depleted most of the planets in Mass Effect 2 by mining them all to extinction (which I have not, cause I always add minerals to my character. I only did it legit the 1st time I played ME2, but then it got boring).

Having said this, the fix is pretty easy, you can edit the war assets (you just need to edit 1 asset) to give you an extra 100 or 200 EMS (that's 200-400 TMS) and you're set. You can get the "best" ending with Shepard breathing. There's no bull**** multiplayer needed for this, but if you do this I suggest you have 2 copies of the game - the legit one (bought from origin) and you don't edit that one and you keep it for playing multiplayer and a cracked version in which you can edit stuff how you want. Doing this you can avoid getting banned or stuff like that, cause you're just editing an offline version of the game.

Modifié par M920CAIN, 02 mai 2012 - 09:09 .

[CG Drum]

Getting to 3850 is probably the closest I've seen to the "magic" 4000 EMS - nearly but not quite though and that didn't include mineral scanning assets? Not seen anyone so close without that added in - would be interested to see the breakdown of those war assets!

As to editing the files - that's okay if that's what you want to do but not really what this thread is about for me. Bioware said all endings would be accessible via SP only - so having to edit files isn't acceptable as far as I am concerned. Also much easier for a PC player than someone on an Xbox or PS3 - actually not even sure that it is possible on PS3.

Anyhow I digress, the point is it should be possible for everyone (even those of us who have just spent hours and hours on all three games as SP only players) to achieve all the endings - it shouldn't be easy (unless of course you play MP for a couple of hours - then Bioware have rewarded you by making the "best" ending easy to get!) but it should be possible.

[M920CAIN]

Well, there's something I always wondered about, and 4000 EMS might be reachable in the following scenario. Most people who play all 3 games (like myself) tend to have Wrex alive and will probably help Wrex out, losing some salarian support in the process (1 or maybe 2 fleets, not really sure). All I know is that in my playthroughs salarian support is usually pretty scarce (most likely because of my curing the genophage), but if we have the scenario in which Wreav is the leader (obviously, Wrex is dead), I'm pretty sure you get both to support you (krogan and salarians) and Wreav won't find out about it (like Wrex would and would confront you about it, thus losing the krogans), and in that scenario (+ the excessive mining in Mass Effect 2) would most likely give a 4000 EMS assuming every fetch quest is left unturned in Mass Effect 3. I'm pretty sure this scenario works, but I haven't really tested it out. Of course, I'm never gonna sacrifice Wrex so... I'll probably never test it, but if anyone ever tries this out and reaches 4k EMS the "legit way", just remember I called it! >

To reach the 3850ish EMS in my games I did this:
1. pretty much collected everything in ME1 (including tedious quests of finding asari writtings, salarian stuff, turian stuff, minerals)
2. pretty much everyone alive, destroyed collector base (but the +100 EMS don't matter for ME3 ending, all EMS are counted before Cerberus HQ, so Reaper Heart/Brain are useless from my point of view, they just have a simbolic meaning, nothing more). In any case, everyone alive means more war assets, also did all dlcs (like overlord which gives you a few war assets). Did only basic mineral scanning (which got me about 25 EMS as far as I remember, but you get about 100 I think if you go overboard with scanning)
3. did all fetch quests in ME3, no stone left unturned, cured genophage (which I think is a win some/lose some situation, but not the best outcome regarding EMS), save both quarian and geth (maximum EMS from my point of view)... nothing more to it... basically genophage hits hard, also there are some fetch quests that can cause you to lose EMS, including some spectre terminal decisions, but I got those right and didn't suffer penalties.

Modifié par M920CAIN, 03 mai 2012 - 12:13 .

[tishyw]

I don't even think you can reach 3850, I think the consensus from the previous thread was about 3700ish.

I imported from ME1 & ME2, did all DLC's from both games and collected everything in ME1 (asari writings, turian medals, minerals, etc),. Saved everyone, had full loyalty from everyone, did all the ship upgrades, had full mineral numbers (got the 100 TMS for that) and destroyed the collector base from ME2. I also saved Wrex and the Rachni Queen from ME1.

In ME3 I did all side missions (I have the players guide, so I know I did everything except the ones that would have a negative impact on my TMS), scanned everything, cured the genophage, saved both Quorian and Geth and the only characters I lost were Mordin and Thane (both unavoidable), Grunt survived as did the VS.

In short I did everything in all 3 games. My EMS was 3605.

Edited for Speeeling

Modifié par tishyw, 03 mai 2012 - 05:03 .

[7isMagic]

This wouldn't even be an issue if Bioware had been up front with its consumers from the very beginning - if, in fact they intended this all along and it's not due to other factors (i.e. a bug). I tend to lean toward the former given the deafening silence that is now going on two months...

I wonder, how many folks out there bought this game believing it was a single player experience supplemented by other modes of OPTIONAL play. I have yet to find any press of any kind (before the game was released) that stated MP would be tied to SP - is there anything pre-release that stated multiplayer would be mandatory? If it's out there, I've yet to come across it.

[ringdrossel]

7isMagic wrote...
I have yet to find any press of any kind (before the game was released) that stated MP would be tied to SP - is there anything pre-release that stated multiplayer would be mandatory? If it's out there, I've yet to come across it.

quite the opposite in fact. Most magazines / online reviews where I read about the mp subject clearly stated that there is no obligation to play the MP to have the full SP experience.

[Gtacatalina]

ringdrossel wrote...

7isMagic wrote...
I have yet to find any press of any kind (before the game was released) that stated MP would be tied to SP - is there anything pre-release that stated multiplayer would be mandatory? If it's out there, I've yet to come across it.

quite the opposite in fact. Most magazines / online reviews where I read about the mp subject clearly stated that there is no obligation to play the MP to have the full SP experience.

Yeah ! Here's an interview with Mike Gamble


''Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing.''

http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

[MaxQuartiroli]

Even if there was a way to get 4000 EMS through some very specific choices/actions in ME1/ME2 it wouldn't still be fair. 4000 EMS point must be available in a ME3 SP only, even if you start a playtrough with the worst possible import . Maybe it should be more difficult to reach that goal if you did wrong/poor choices in the previous games but still be possible.

Meh.. what's the point to specify this? 4000 EMS are not available no matter what you did in the whole trilogy...

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 03 mai 2012 - 08:25 .

[CG Drum]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

Even if there was a way to get 4000 EMS through some very specific choices/actions in ME1/ME2 it wouldn't still be fair. 4000 EMS point must be available in a ME3 SP only, even if you start a playtrough with the worst possible import . Maybe it should be more difficult to reach that goal if you did wrong/poor choices in the previous games but still be possible.

Meh.. what's the point to specify this? 4000 EMS are not available no matter what you did in the whole trilogy...

yeah that post pretty much says it!

It isn't possible and should be.  It shouldn't be easy but it shouldn't need an exact playthrough - what about the PS3 players - this must affect them more as they didn't even have the 1st game so having to do a perfect runthrough must be nigh on impossible for them!

Oh and i can't get cose to 3850 either having done everything including all dlc - think I maxed out around 3700 - will just go check!  edit - no got a bit lower than that 3600 ish - remember I had a couple of renegade actions that I accidently on purpose did!!!

Modifié par CG Drum, 03 mai 2012 - 09:41 .

[Krogangreetings]

I like these old stories

http://www.joystiq.c...tiplayer-ruled/

http://attackofthefa...rked-for-death/

no multiplayer ahhh what could've been

Modifié par Krogangreetings, 03 mai 2012 - 10:56 .

[bFootball]

Agree completely with all that has been said re EMS and MP. BW have said they are "investigating", so we can only hope this gets fixed with either the EC or a subsequent patch. The main problem with this is they repeatedly denied the problem existed and then suddenly went silent.

[abaris]

bFootball wrote...
The main problem with this is they repeatedly denied the problem existed and then suddenly went silent.

Probably because, as has been said, this is as intended. They simply want to force multiplayer down everybodys throat.

[fchopin]

Silence is golden for EC but not for EMS.

[paul165]

And if they had stated their intentions I would have had no problem with it at all - wouldn't have bought the game but I wouldn't do anything else. The problem was they made repeated commitments that multiplayer/ social apps would not be required except the game comes out and ...yes they are.

It is not a debatable "artistic integrity" type choice you can prove, and people have, that it is not possible to hit the required number. The silence from the dev team and the repeated locked threads suggest as people are saying that it is WAI and they are just hoping that everyone will shut up and go away.

Which of course they will - question is how many will come back? This has already lost me for Generals and if it looks like DA3 is heading the same way it will kill that as well.

[Star fury]

Forcing people to play multiplayer in a singleplayer RPG does not look nice. Deliberately giving "not correct"(I don't want this thread to be closed) information even worse.
What happens if I want to play ME3 after 2,3,4 years when all MP servers will be long dead? I guess EA/Bioware don't think that far, prefering to get short-term profits.

Modifié par Star fury, 03 mai 2012 - 12:40 .

[G00N3R7883]

ringdrossel wrote...
But there is a work around: If you have the possibility you can download the free mobile app "Datapad" and push your readiness with it.

Just to clarify my own position in case any Bioware devs are reading the thread.

I don't tend to mention the mobile app when posting on this topic, but I'm equally opposed to this as well. To me its exactly the same as forcing me to play the multiplayer. I don't have an iphone, ipad, whatever. If I buy a game for my PC, I want to play it on my PC. If I buy a game for my xbox, I want to play it on my xbox. I don't want to have to keep breaking off to grind some app on another format.

[abaris]

G00N3R7883 wrote...

Just to clarify my own position in case any Bioware devs are reading the thread.

I don't tend to mention the mobile app when posting on this topic, but I'm equally opposed to this as well. To me its exactly the same as forcing me to play the multiplayer. I don't have an iphone, ipad, whatever. If I buy a game for my PC, I want to play it on my PC. If I buy a game for my xbox, I want to play it on my xbox. I don't want to have to keep breaking off to grind some app on another format.

Exactly the same.

And I tend to avoid apps, social networking, the lot as far as possible.

[Gtacatalina]

abaris wrote...

G00N3R7883 wrote...

Just to clarify my own position in case any Bioware devs are reading the thread.

I don't tend to mention the mobile app when posting on this topic, but I'm equally opposed to this as well. To me its exactly the same as forcing me to play the multiplayer. I don't have an iphone, ipad, whatever. If I buy a game for my PC, I want to play it on my PC. If I buy a game for my xbox, I want to play it on my xbox. I don't want to have to keep breaking off to grind some app on another format.

Exactly the same.

And I tend to avoid apps, social networking, the lot as far as possible.

Same here.

Here's an interesting article that Ravennus linked on the pc forum, EMS thread.

http://business.fina...urn-off-gamers/

''EA's plan to hook games together across multiple devices may just turn off gamers''

[Icinix]

Gtacatalina wrote...

abaris wrote...

G00N3R7883 wrote...

Just to clarify my own position in case any Bioware devs are reading the thread.

I don't tend to mention the mobile app when posting on this topic, but I'm equally opposed to this as well. To me its exactly the same as forcing me to play the multiplayer. I don't have an iphone, ipad, whatever. If I buy a game for my PC, I want to play it on my PC. If I buy a game for my xbox, I want to play it on my xbox. I don't want to have to keep breaking off to grind some app on another format.

Exactly the same.

And I tend to avoid apps, social networking, the lot as far as possible.

Same here.

Here's an interesting article that Ravennus linked on the pc forum, EMS thread.

http://business.fina...urn-off-gamers/

''EA's plan to hook games together across multiple devices may just turn off gamers''

If I have to log in to anything when I get into the game, if I need to have a third party piece of software to run a game - its usually enough to turn me off of the game. Its not a universal rule, but for many its a put off.

Games start coming out where I'm throw a squillion different offline things at me sugesting I do this or what not (even I don't have to log on to different things) the game gets ignored. I was pumped for Settlers 7. Then I saw someone play it and the messiest most horrible main menu screen of all time, that was the end of that. But Ubisofts DRM has killed any purchases I would have made over the last few years anyway.

Regardless, online multiple devices is a bad idea. I want a complete game I can stop, pause, save, load on my time when it suits me. All this online stuff is killing gaming for me.

[TheRealJayDee]

Icinix wrote...

All this online stuff is killing gaming for me.

Same here.

[Ryzaki]

Same.