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Talogrungi wrote...

Emphyr wrote...

The thingy that is most upsetting me.....

BW ( some ) Like Thomas Abram , and Mike Gamble... they say it is possible to finish the game withouth playing MP...witth 4000+ Ems  They really said that!

I wonder if they even ever have played the game .... ???
from start (Me1) to Finish (Me3)...

played it with their own personal Shep... ?


To be fair and accurate, I don't think a developer has ever said that it's possible to achieve 4000+ EMS without multiplayer or one of the iOS applications. I believe the statement made was that it was possible to get "the best ending" without multiplayer; and though I haven't seen it expressly stated, from their perspective "the best ending" seems to be Synthesis.

Can't rightly remember where I saw the statement. I know it was a forum sticky, but I can't remember in which one and wasn't able to locate it before my attention wandered. I remember it was edited post-launch for Clarity.

Heh, sound familiar?

It's hair splitting semantics, but still. Gotta be accurate.


Thomas Abrams stated "he achieved" greater than 4000 ems, no multiplayer/apps via pm, I think I posted a screenie in the 73 page thread that got the "customer service treatment"

Also Mike Gamble let loose with the "of course you can just play all the side missions" spiel thats quoted further up this thread, that was in an interview (gameinformer?)

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Emphyr wrote...

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Emphyr wrote...

I really dont. I just finished the game.
with 3978 EMS
still i died....


Any chance of a screen with that EMS score?

I don't know anyone that's gone over 3700EMS without playing multiplayer


yes you can have my savegame..



Sorry that's not what I meant. I meant can you post a picture(Screen) of your EMS score.

Modifié par Gtacatalina, 20 juin 2012 - 03:14 .


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I am very sorry... i am at 7080 TMS (Horizon)..

Sorry for the misunderstandings... i typed wrong numbers wriiten from my papers...

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Talogrungi wrote...

I believe the statement made was that it was possible to get "the best ending" without multiplayer; and though I haven't seen it expressly stated, from their perspective "the best ending" seems to be Synthesis.



Gamble specifically said all endings in an interview. Game informer iirc. There's a link in this thread somewhere. 

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Emphyr wrote...

I am very sorry... i am at 7080 TMS (Horizon)..

Sorry for the misunderstandings... i typed wrong numbers wriiten from my papers...


Ahh, not a problemImage IPB

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dekkerd wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

I believe the statement made was that it was possible to get "the best ending" without multiplayer; and though I haven't seen it expressly stated, from their perspective "the best ending" seems to be Synthesis.



Gamble specifically said all endings in an interview. Game informer iirc. There's a link in this thread somewhere. 


Not sure this is the quote you were talking about. But there is this one from Mike Gamble.

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) 02/02/12

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"

http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

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Gtacatalina wrote...

dekkerd wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

I believe the statement made was that it was possible to get "the best ending" without multiplayer; and though I haven't seen it expressly stated, from their perspective "the best ending" seems to be Synthesis.



Gamble specifically said all endings in an interview. Game informer iirc. There's a link in this thread somewhere. 


Not sure this is the quote you were talking about. But there is this one from Mike Gamble.

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) 02/02/12

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"

http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html


Since the "gasp" ending is one of the endings, this is categorically untrue.  But apparently fixing such a thing is beyond them.  Funny since I know everyone will point at EA and say it's EA's fault, when one of the Bioware guys says basically EA only holds them accountable for turning a profit-sounds like EA doesn't micro-manage this stuff.  Maybe they are given guidelines, but I don't recall any EA non-Bioware game that requires MP in order to get the SP ending.  Please, correct me if I'm wrong here.

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Yes, he explicitly said that all content will be accessible to SP players and it's not true. And there's still no official acknowledgement of this, let alone any hint that they are going to fix the issue. All we've gotten so far was:
- first they insisted that it was possible to get 4000+ EMS in SP alone
- then it turned out that the dev who actually worked on the war assets acknowledged that it was impossible (IIRC it was all through PMs or tweets, never an official acknowledgement)
- then again just a post from Priestly referring to some tweet that they are looking into it, as if everybody was on Twitter, following their every word
- locking down threads about it (until now - I guess we can be eternally grateful that they graciously let this thread exist at all).

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Szuli wrote...

Yes, he explicitly said that all content will be accessible to SP players and it's not true. And there's still no official acknowledgement of this, let alone any hint that they are going to fix the issue. All we've gotten so far was:
- first they insisted that it was possible to get 4000+ EMS in SP alone
- then it turned out that the dev who actually worked on the war assets acknowledged that it was impossible (IIRC it was all through PMs or tweets, never an official acknowledgement)
- then again just a post from Priestly referring to some tweet that they are looking into it, as if everybody was on Twitter, following their every word
- locking down threads about it (until now - I guess we can be eternally grateful that they graciously let this thread exist at all).


I think it's foot-dragging.  The fix seemingly would be simple, but it won't be universal.  In fact, some of the people that it would help the most are the people that couldn't get such a fix.  I think it's a zero sum game here.  It is used to force people to think they need to play MP to force people to think they need to get medi-gel and great characters to level up to promote to SP so they don't need to play MP.  And then along the way to force people to think they need to buy the packs to get the stuff to do well in MP to promote teams to SP fast, so they don't need to play MP.  And everything in MP is geared toward convincing the player they need to buy the Spectre and other packs.  It just all feels like someone's forcing this stuff on you.

Figure that the recruit packs are not great-play a winning bronze level mission you can get 2 of them with credits-mostly not quite enough to get 3 of them.  The consumables in them get used up.  It takes 2 winning missions to get a Veteran's pack.  However, the game works against you.  People quit or get kicked by the server-game freezes up until somebody leaves.  Most often this might mean you are alone in the game.  What it always means is that the game doesn't then give you full credit for the whole mission even if you are there from beginning to end.  Once it kicks someone out, it's like you started the game from the point where that person left.  This is really aggravating.  I've ended up in more silver missions where I've only gotten 7k credits and 80k xp because of this-somebody getting dumped at level 7 or so. 

MP is fun enough, but I get so sick of some of the crap from other players as well.  There are far too many games where I'm the only one doing the missions-I do all the retrievals, all the hacking (alone), and the rest other than the target elimination ones.  And then, I revive who I can, even run from one side of a map to the other to revive someone or back someone up who is doing the reviving, but then I lay there dying with a teammate sitting almost right on top of me.  Or, I have to listen to the crap people like to share through their mics.  Why the hell have on a mic just so someone can hear you chew or hear the music you love or the tv shows you are watching?  Or, your good use of kleenex?  One guy recently just constantly yelled idiotic comments through the whole mission.  Another guy kept telling people to do stupid things or kept telling people they didn't know what they were doing.  He wouldn't finish missions because he thought you got bigger bonuses by waiting till the last second to finish them.

MP gets old very quickly.

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Yes, this is why I don't want to do MP and I want my SP game to give me all content in SP mode. :?

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Gtacatalina wrote...


Not sure this is the quote you were talking about. But there is this one from Mike Gamble.

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) 02/02/12

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"

http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html


Yep that's the one.  Note I didn't say it was accurate, just pointing out that "perfect" ending isn't the only thing we were told. 

Modifié par dekkerd, 20 juin 2012 - 05:20 .


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Heaven forbid i want a sp ending related to sp

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Emphyr wrote...

Hold on...

You all are telling me that i cannot save the galaxy? no matter what ive done? ore do?

You are telling me that there is no way for me to "save" my friends?
You are telling me no matter what i do Joker is gooing to run away with the normandy and my friends and my Love?`
even with 20.000 EMS ?

Ifso why should i continue to put energy in Shepards Story ?
I thought ... ( i thougt)  putting plenty of energy in the story .. in the end with enough EMS i could have saved the galaxy..

But i cannot ???
even not with 100.000 EMS?


Unfortunately, no one can be told how bad the ending to Mass Effect 3 is.  You have to see it for yourself.

Modifié par Dimensio, 20 juin 2012 - 06:01 .


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Hi LioWare... any news??? Moderators???? Why so quiet?

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3DandBeyond wrote...
Or, I have to listen to the crap people like to share through their mics. 


I hate this too. I mean, come on man, your baby is crying! Tend to your offspring!

And the worst part is that Bioware didn't feel the need to implement a mute feature in game, so the only way to avoid these problems is either 1) always play with people who have no mics or 2) mute you TV, but I don't want to mute my TV because the sound effects are part of the immersion.

Modifié par ManUnderMask, 20 juin 2012 - 06:20 .


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Dimensio wrote...

Emphyr wrote...

Hold on...

You all are telling me that i cannot save the galaxy? no matter what ive done? ore do?

You are telling me that there is no way for me to "save" my friends?
You are telling me no matter what i do Joker is gooing to run away with the normandy and my friends and my Love?`
even with 20.000 EMS ?

Ifso why should i continue to put energy in Shepards Story ?
I thought ... ( i thougt)  putting plenty of energy in the story .. in the end with enough EMS i could have saved the galaxy..

But i cannot ???
even not with 100.000 EMS?


Unfortunately, no one can be told how bad the ending to Mass Effect 3 is.  You have to see it for yourself.


And yet when you see it there's still this sense of disbelief.  I like my logic with a heavy dose of actual logic.

And I'd prefer to not be told what I must consider to be art, in a videogame that has never been particularly about art.  But, dear God, if you are going to make a game be basically about reaper tag points, the for the love of all that is holy put some sense into them.  EMS or actually the TMS numbers are so arbitrary as to be laughable to begin with.  I have a guess as to why war asset numbers were included in the first place.  It's because they could not figure how to make all your actions lead to natural conclusions.  EMS and the artificial choices as well as their happy, sappy glowing spokesperson, needed to be funneled in a way that they could work out.  This is my guess.

So, the ending is based mainly on EMS which is actually evened out mostly no matter what you do in the SP-give and take all the way. Then, when you come to the end, in order to say, "look here you have choices again," up pops door number 1, door number 2, and door number 3.  All those hours with ME1 and 2-wasted time.  Great for you to get something out of the story.  But frustrating and fruitless for 2 main reasons.  They bring out all the retconning in the ending and the choices made in them are meaningless.  Just get the right EMS for whatever ending you want and you are good to go.  Except for that little bit extra, super dooper special ending.  For that you need multi-player.

Ever make a list of things that don't matter for the ending?  It would astound you.  Start with the suicide mission and the collector's base.  Big event, right?  Nope, not at all.

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Still no response from Bioware on this issue I see.  Bioware, we are not going to go away, this is a big issue and ignoring it isn't the solution!

Please fix this Bioware, or it will haunt your company for years, already people (including me) are ****ing about it in DA3 discussions, DA3 devs are promising extensively that they won't do the same thing, ignoring it is ruining the reputation of your company with your loyalist of fans!

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Dimensio wrote...

Unfortunately, no one can be told how bad the ending to Mass Effect 3 is.  You have to see it for yourself.


QFT, Morphe- Dimensio.  I was fully informed about the endings and exactly what happens in them before I got near the end.  That's actually what sparked my outrage about the EMS issue; and even after hacking my save on 360 and getting my breath I could just sit there, jaw dropped and disgusted.  After three months of hearing all about it and knowing exactly what I was getting into, they are still that bad.


I also wonder about a future "fix."  To play devil's advocate and put myself in BW's shoes from this point of how the issue has been handled.  I could see them as having a policy of strict silence until the EC is released.  They will not touch SP til then because the endings are what have the mist attention.  Maybe in the release they will swing it by saying "Look!  More Assets to go with your EC!  Just cause we love you!" without ever officially recognizing the issue.  I think that's really the only possible play we'll see from BW.  We're not getting an official statement or patch.  This is the last card they can play to save face and if we don't see that, I don't see this ever getting fixed.

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You may be right, AsteroidBlues. I just don't understand how BW cannot see that admitting that there is an issue and fixing it with a patch would be a much better PR move and would appease fans much more than being silent about it. If they think that just sneaking in more war assets will make people forget what happened with this I think they are wrong. I know that I will NOT forget what they promised, what they delivered, and how they treated the fans.

I think all we can do is keep this thread alive and show that we are still here, still waiting.

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tishyw wrote...

Bioware, we are not going to go away, this is a big issue and ignoring it isn't the solution!


Unfortunately I can see them carrying on with this tactic, unless gaming sites or press pick up on it.

Most seem to be ignoring the fan complaints (ending debacle, face import problems,EMS issues, promises that Bioware didn't keep) and just seem to be sucking up to Bioware even more. 

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Gtacatalina wrote...

tishyw wrote...

Bioware, we are not going to go away, this is a big issue and ignoring it isn't the solution!


Unfortunately I can see them carrying on with this tactic, unless gaming sites or press pick up on it.

Most seem to be ignoring the fan complaints (ending debacle, face import problems,EMS issues, promises that Bioware didn't keep) and just seem to be sucking up to Bioware even more. 


Funny thing (not so funny) is on the IGN site there's a faq sheet about the game and one of the faqs is just this, whether you can get high enough EMS in SP alone for the best endings, and IGN says, "yes you can".  IGN needs to go away.

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3DandBeyond wrote...

Gtacatalina wrote...

tishyw wrote...

Bioware, we are not going to go away, this is a big issue and ignoring it isn't the solution!


Unfortunately I can see them carrying on with this tactic, unless gaming sites or press pick up on it.

Most seem to be ignoring the fan complaints (ending debacle, face import problems,EMS issues, promises that Bioware didn't keep) and just seem to be sucking up to Bioware even more. 


Funny thing (not so funny) is on the IGN site there's a faq sheet about the game and one of the faqs is just this, whether you can get high enough EMS in SP alone for the best endings, and IGN says, "yes you can".  IGN needs to go away.


Drives me mad!

If it is possible Bioware would have told us how when this issue first came up - we all know it isn't so the issue has been "handled" by being locked down, and ignored.

Even now after all this time no one from Bioware has addressed the issue saying they will look into it.  Three months down the line and I assume we just have to believe that it is being looked at. 

How long does it take someone to actually sit down and play the game (if that's what they need to do!) or to sit with a list of the war assets available and add them up - I am astounded that Bioware have dragged their feet over this issue for so long. 

If this was an error front it out - and please fix it.  If not and we were told a porkie pie and that not all parts of the game are available to SP only players then front it out.   

I know which I now believe it is  - been dealt with too poorly and left for too long as far as I'm concerned.

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CG Drum wrote...


Drives me mad!

If it is possible Bioware would have told us how when this issue first came up - we all know it isn't so the issue has been "handled" by being locked down, and ignored.

Even now after all this time no one from Bioware has addressed the issue saying they will look into it.  Three months down the line and I assume we just have to believe that it is being looked at. 

How long does it take someone to actually sit down and play the game (if that's what they need to do!) or to sit with a list of the war assets available and add them up - I am astounded that Bioware have dragged their feet over this issue for so long. 

If this was an error front it out - and please fix it.  If not and we were told a porkie pie and that not all parts of the game are available to SP only players then front it out.   

I know which I now believe it is  - been dealt with too poorly and left for too long as far as I'm concerned.


At the risk of using an all too sexist appearing statement, Bioware needs to man up.  They have to their detriment hidden from any semblance of having made a mistake in this and in other things.  They adhere to some idea that this was a bug and adhere to the idea that their work of art is just that at the end, a work of art.  If so, a bug like this should be an easy fix, and the art that is their ending was something traced from someone else's drawing.  It's taken in large part from the Deus ex 2000 game as well as Babylon 5.  It can't be called their artistic vision if it was someone else's and "borrowed" without citation.  I know what that's called in the literary community.  Perhaps copyright laws need to be applied.

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So... nothing new here, I guess? Figures. :/

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Forsythia wrote...

So... nothing new here, I guess? Figures. :/


Yep... very quiet from BW's side.... not cool.   <_<