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[CG Drum]

Yeah online is doing gaming in for me too! I just want to be able to play my game in peace, in my own time - don't understand why that seems to be treated now as an alien concept.

And trying to force me into it - well that's just going to make me take my money elsewhere regardless of how good the game is.

But I would like to think that Bioware did not intend this, not when they sold it as MP optional and not require to access all parts of SP game - I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and say this was just a mistake. Not a clever one, but just a mistake that they will correct for us (mind you that doesn't explain the constant "it is possible" statements they kept throwing at us).

Still hopeful... so come on Bioware, show us what you are really about and sort this out for us, and more to the point give us a clue on when that will be! Cheers!

Modifié par CG Drum, 03 mai 2012 - 02:33 .

[Cruders]

www.bbb.org/blog/2012/04/mass-effect-3-is-having-a-mass-effect-on-its-consumers-for-better-or-worse/

They don't care. It doesn't matter.

Modifié par Cruders, 03 mai 2012 - 05:29 .

[7isMagic]

I agree with many who posted here. I want to play my game in peace and in my own time. The "grind" of online apps has no place in my gaming experience.

[abaris]

Icinix wrote...

If I have to log in to anything when I get into the game, if I need to have a third party piece of software to run a game - its usually enough to turn me off of the game. Its not a universal rule, but for many its a put off.

Games start coming out where I'm throw a squillion different offline things at me sugesting I do this or what not (even I don't have to log on to different things) the game gets ignored. I was pumped for Settlers 7. Then I saw someone play it and the messiest most horrible main menu screen of all time, that was the end of that. But Ubisofts DRM has killed any purchases I would have made over the last few years anyway.

Regardless, online multiple devices is a bad idea. I want a complete game I can stop, pause, save, load on my time when it suits me. All this online stuff is killing gaming for me.

All this caters to a much younger audience, not being informed or not caring about what online traces they leave when using apps, social networking or mandatory online verification.

I care, since I know what can be done with all of that. Working in PR I know there's no such thing as an altruistic app. They only exist to create a first class marketing profile and if push comes to shove a general profile of the person using it.

Not a very good idea when potential employers or authorities go looking for exactly this kind of information.

[Icinix]

abaris wrote...

Icinix wrote...

If I have to log in to anything when I get into the game, if I need to have a third party piece of software to run a game - its usually enough to turn me off of the game. Its not a universal rule, but for many its a put off.

Games start coming out where I'm throw a squillion different offline things at me sugesting I do this or what not (even I don't have to log on to different things) the game gets ignored. I was pumped for Settlers 7. Then I saw someone play it and the messiest most horrible main menu screen of all time, that was the end of that. But Ubisofts DRM has killed any purchases I would have made over the last few years anyway.

Regardless, online multiple devices is a bad idea. I want a complete game I can stop, pause, save, load on my time when it suits me. All this online stuff is killing gaming for me.

All this caters to a much younger audience, not being informed or not caring about what online traces they leave when using apps, social networking or mandatory online verification.

I care, since I know what can be done with all of that. Working in PR I know there's no such thing as an altruistic app. They only exist to create a first class marketing profile and if push comes to shove a general profile of the person using it.

Not a very good idea when potential employers or authorities go looking for exactly this kind of information.

Thats where I kind of lean as well. The issue I think they've got though, is as those younger people get older and as the current gaming generation gets older, more and more people will start caring.

The backlash against the gaming companies will be huge and their little tower they're trying to build for themselves will come crashing down. Its already showing signs of that happening.

I just wish we didn't need all of that to happen before the companies wake up.

[Krogangreetings]

Icinix wrote...

abaris wrote...

Icinix wrote...

If I have to log in to anything when I get into the game, if I need to have a third party piece of software to run a game - its usually enough to turn me off of the game. Its not a universal rule, but for many its a put off.

Games start coming out where I'm throw a squillion different offline things at me sugesting I do this or what not (even I don't have to log on to different things) the game gets ignored. I was pumped for Settlers 7. Then I saw someone play it and the messiest most horrible main menu screen of all time, that was the end of that. But Ubisofts DRM has killed any purchases I would have made over the last few years anyway.

Regardless, online multiple devices is a bad idea. I want a complete game I can stop, pause, save, load on my time when it suits me. All this online stuff is killing gaming for me.

All this caters to a much younger audience, not being informed or not caring about what online traces they leave when using apps, social networking or mandatory online verification.

I care, since I know what can be done with all of that. Working in PR I know there's no such thing as an altruistic app. They only exist to create a first class marketing profile and if push comes to shove a general profile of the person using it.

Not a very good idea when potential employers or authorities go looking for exactly this kind of information.

Thats where I kind of lean as well. The issue I think they've got though, is as those younger people get older and as the current gaming generation gets older, more and more people will start caring.

The backlash against the gaming companies will be huge and their little tower they're trying to build for themselves will come crashing down. Its already showing signs of that happening.

I just wish we didn't need all of that to happen before the companies wake up.

When the crash does come they'll flip a coin Heads they blame piracy Tails pre owned sales 

on an unrelated point are the mods gone? haven't seen them for days

[royceclemens]

If (and that's a big "if") this gets fixed at all, my money's on it happening months after the EC comes out. Which means the ending that potentially results in houses on Rannoch/dogs with Traynor/little blue babies you will have to pay to get, either through multiplayer or apps. Essentially holding the life of Commander Shepard for ransom.

Show of hands, who ACTUALLY thought they were getting the EC for free?

Note that this isn't a theory, mind you. More a supposition.

[coolbeans]

This whole EMS situation, the thread locking, forum shifting and deafening silence has pretty much buggered my remaining faith in Bioware

Mr Priestly posted at the end of the megathread concerning this issue:

"As people have pointed out, Mike Gamble has said on his Twitter account
that we are investigating this"

As people have pointed out, not we the devs acknowledge this issue and are investigating it.

They have an entire set of forums dedicated to the game and they think the best way to address an issue that clearly several people are having is to reference one individual tweet, then lock the thread, the only input in that thread in over a month is to lock it and boot the contributers to the tech forum ghettos, dick move Bioware, dick move.

I dont understand how it can be a bug, suitable for the tech forums, when so many of their staff have apparantly managed to attain the 4000 EMS in SP with no MP

Thomas Abrams posted in another locked thread that if anyone had any questions regarding the EMS issue to PM him, I did, his response to my querying the possibility of attaining 4000+ EMS in SP was

"I managed it"

Thats it, no discussion, just the insinuation that the only reason I hadn't managed it was I wasn't as good at Mass Effect as Mr Abrams.

I'm doing my best to avoid thowing around words like "Lies" and "Deliberatly misleading customers" but what are we supposed to think, when prerelease statements assure us that MP will not be neccesarry to attain all SP content.

A post from the developers in this forum assuring us that MP was not Essential is lost in a "Server hiccup" I wonder why it wasnt restored?

Depressingly, given EA's new direction of everything online and interconnected, you can be sure that ME4 will be something like:

Play our awesome multiplayer (Its a poor ripoff of GOW horde mode) to unlock Disk two.
Want Ashley Williams as a squad mate, play our new IPAD 5 app, where you spam your friends social networking accounts to fight TEH REAPER MENACE.
Harbinger as squadmate, Day One DLC, $9.99


Booted up BG 2 a few weeks ago, I can only ask

"What happened guys?"

This post may come off as a little bitter, but sainsburys had an offer on 1 litre of Bells today (£14!) and I had some drambuie left, so Rusty nails were had by all 

[AlanC9]

Icinix wrote...

abaris wrote...
All this caters to a much younger audience, not being informed or not caring about what online traces they leave when using apps, social networking or mandatory online verification.

I care, since I know what can be done with all of that. Working in PR I know there's no such thing as an altruistic app. They only exist to create a first class marketing profile and if push comes to shove a general profile of the person using it.

Not a very good idea when potential employers or authorities go looking for exactly this kind of information.

Thats where I kind of lean as well. The issue I think they've got though, is as those younger people get older and as the current gaming generation gets older, more and more people will start caring.

Will they?

I'm starting to think that the kids are right about privacy. So what if every corporation in the world has got a first-class marketing profile on me. The banner ads I see will be less boring. Outside of that, what's the difference?

Modifié par AlanC9, 04 mai 2012 - 02:29 .

[Icinix]

AlanC9 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

abaris wrote...
All this caters to a much younger audience, not being informed or not caring about what online traces they leave when using apps, social networking or mandatory online verification.

I care, since I know what can be done with all of that. Working in PR I know there's no such thing as an altruistic app. They only exist to create a first class marketing profile and if push comes to shove a general profile of the person using it.

Not a very good idea when potential employers or authorities go looking for exactly this kind of information.

Thats where I kind of lean as well. The issue I think they've got though, is as those younger people get older and as the current gaming generation gets older, more and more people will start caring.

Will they?

I'm starting to think that the kids are right about privacy. So what if every corporation in the world has got a first-class marketing profile on me. The banner ads I see will be less boring. Outside of that, what's the difference?

Well for starters privacy is the right of everyone. Its not an entitlement or privilege, its a basic right. Right up there with freedom.

If individual people are prepared to sacrifice that privacy, thats fine, but its a decision they should only be allowed to make at an age of consent, and something they should be able to retract at any time with all information and details on them purged by the companies.

If you think its just about Banner Ads..well, its quite a bit deeper than just deciding what banner ads to show you. Its your entire life being available to people who don't have your best interest in mind, they have their financial statement interest in mind.

Regardless, its not for anyone to dictate wether someone else is entitled to privacy or freedom beyond the indivdual.

The argument you don't need to buy games or use the apps etc if you want your privacy is a half fair point, it isn't totally accurate though because in doing so companies use peer pressure to make you think that if you're not playing these games, using these apps you won't be part of the in crowd, you'll be left on the outer. They target younger people because they're more likely to play up that peer pressure as well and are more impressionable.

If they want to have those kind of online worlds and privacy violations, it should be totally opt-in and you shouldn't be badgered into a position of requring to be part of it for the complete experience of whatever you are using, you should get that regardless.

[Cruders]

coolbeans wrote...
I'm doing my best to avoid thowing around words like "Lies" and "Deliberatly misleading customers" but what are we supposed to think, when prerelease statements assure us that MP will not be neccesarry to attain all SP content.

You don't have avoid throwing around words like "Lies" and "Deliberately misleading customers" because the BBB already did. 

BBB wrote...
The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise?  Technically, yes, they did.  
In the first bullet point, where it states “the decisions you make completely [/i]shape your experience”, there is no indecision in that statement.  It is an absolute.    

Modifié par Cruders, 04 mai 2012 - 04:46 .

[Gtacatalina]

coolbeans wrote...

They have an entire set of forums dedicated to the game and they think the best way to address an issue that clearly several people are having is to reference one individual tweet, then lock the thread, the only input in that thread in over a month is to lock it and boot the contributers to the tech forum ghettos, dick move Bioware, dick move.

That's my problem to, and still there hasn't  been any official statement from Bioware about the EMS issue.

I dont understand how it can be a bug, suitable for the tech forums, when so many of their staff have apparantly managed to attain the 4000 EMS in SP with no MP

I personally think it could be a dlc issue. I think they cut some of the game, Ashes for example, and someone didn't add up the war assets right.

Thomas Abrams posted in another locked thread that if anyone had any questions regarding the EMS issue to PM him, I did, his response to my querying the possibility of attaining 4000+ EMS in SP was

"I managed it"

Thats it, no discussion, just the insinuation that the only reason I hadn't managed it was I wasn't as good at Mass Effect as Mr Abrams.

Well that was helpful

I'm doing my best to avoid thowing around words like "Lies" and "Deliberatly misleading customers" but what are we supposed to think, when prerelease statements assure us that MP will not be neccesarry to attain all SP content.

A post from the developers in this forum assuring us that MP was not Essential is lost in a "Server hiccup" I wonder why it wasnt restored?

Yeah I laughed at that one

Depressingly, given EA's new direction of everything online and interconnected, you can be sure that ME4 will be something like:

Play our awesome multiplayer (Its a poor ripoff of GOW horde mode) to unlock Disk two.
Want Ashley Williams as a squad mate, play our new IPAD 5 app, where you spam your friends social networking accounts to fight TEH REAPER MENACE.
Harbinger as squadmate, Day One DLC, $9.99


Booted up BG 2 a few weeks ago, I can only ask

"What happened guys?" 

I would like to know what happened to!

This post may come off as a little bitter, but sainsburys had an offer on 1 litre of Bells today (£14!) and I had some drambuie left, so Rusty nails were had by all 

Cheers!

Modifié par Gtacatalina, 04 mai 2012 - 08:12 .

[Gtacatalina]

Sorry triple post for some reason

Modifié par Gtacatalina, 04 mai 2012 - 08:11 .

[Gtacatalina]

Sorry triple post

Modifié par Gtacatalina, 04 mai 2012 - 08:11 .

[abaris]

Icinix wrote...

If they want to have those kind of online worlds and privacy violations, it should be totally opt-in and you shouldn't be badgered into a position of requring to be part of it for the complete experience of whatever you are using, you should get that regardless.

Facebook paved the way for this kind of behaviour. And - at least in my parts - there have been numerous recent incidents where employees have been fired over a simple "like", photos and entries there. There are of course lawsuits against that pending, but if I can help it, I leave as little trace as possible on the web, since I don't feel the compulsion to share my little life with people I don't even know anyway.

[Daramatis]

Krogangreetings wrote...

Icinix wrote...

abaris wrote...

Icinix wrote...

If I have to log in to anything when I get into the game, if I need to have a third party piece of software to run a game - its usually enough to turn me off of the game. Its not a universal rule, but for many its a put off.

Games start coming out where I'm throw a squillion different offline things at me sugesting I do this or what not (even I don't have to log on to different things) the game gets ignored. I was pumped for Settlers 7. Then I saw someone play it and the messiest most horrible main menu screen of all time, that was the end of that. But Ubisofts DRM has killed any purchases I would have made over the last few years anyway.

Regardless, online multiple devices is a bad idea. I want a complete game I can stop, pause, save, load on my time when it suits me. All this online stuff is killing gaming for me.

All this caters to a much younger audience, not being informed or not caring about what online traces they leave when using apps, social networking or mandatory online verification.

I care, since I know what can be done with all of that. Working in PR I know there's no such thing as an altruistic app. They only exist to create a first class marketing profile and if push comes to shove a general profile of the person using it.

Not a very good idea when potential employers or authorities go looking for exactly this kind of information.

Thats where I kind of lean as well. The issue I think they've got though, is as those younger people get older and as the current gaming generation gets older, more and more people will start caring.

The backlash against the gaming companies will be huge and their little tower they're trying to build for themselves will come crashing down. Its already showing signs of that happening.

I just wish we didn't need all of that to happen before the companies wake up.

When the crash does come they'll flip a coin Heads they blame piracy Tails pre owned sales 

on an unrelated point are the mods gone? haven't seen them for days

"Regardless, online multiple devices is a bad idea. I want a complete game I can stop, pause, save, load on my time when it suits me. All this online stuff is killing gaming for me."

I totally agree - to be immersed in the game I need to be able to control the experience when I can get some time to play, without having to think about the presence of anyone else and how I'm going to impact on their experience.

"The backlash against the gaming companies will be huge and their little tower they're trying to build for themselves will come crashing down. Its already showing signs of that happening."

Any business that takes its core customer base for granted risks eroding that revenue foundation.  Microtransactions may very well be a house of cards.

I get the distinct feeling I'm not the demographic BW, or perhaps more correctly EA is keen to entice - my expectations for a game experience don't offer the save return on investment I suppose.

I think I've been lucky to experience possibly the heyday of gold quality crpg, with the BG series, KotOR, and even DA: O.  I believe that there are passionate people "out there" who want to make those kinds of games, but I think the overarching business structure is stifling that to an extent.

But everything is cyclical, maybe in another 10 years or so things will have changed again.



CG - nice OP by the way, good to see this is still a live topic, though not so good it has to be.

[CG Drum]

coolbeans wrote...


This whole EMS situation, the thread locking, forum shifting and deafening silence has pretty much buggered my remaining faith in Bioware

Mr Priestly posted at the end of the megathread concerning this issue:

"As people have pointed out, Mike Gamble has said on his Twitter account
that we are investigating this"

As people have pointed out, not we the devs acknowledge this issue and are investigating it.

They have an entire set of forums dedicated to the game and they think the best way to address an issue that clearly several people are having is to reference one individual tweet, then lock the thread, the only input in that thread in over a month is to lock it and boot the contributers to the tech forum ghettos, dick move Bioware, dick move.

I dont understand how it can be a bug, suitable for the tech forums, when so many of their staff have apparantly managed to attain the 4000 EMS in SP with no MP

Thomas Abrams posted in another locked thread that if anyone had any questions regarding the EMS issue to PM him, I did, his response to my querying the possibility of attaining 4000+ EMS in SP was

"I managed it"

Thats it, no discussion, just the insinuation that the only reason I hadn't managed it was I wasn't as good at Mass Effect as Mr Abrams.

I'm doing my best to avoid thowing around words like "Lies" and "Deliberatly misleading customers" but what are we supposed to think, when prerelease statements assure us that MP will not be neccesarry to attain all SP content.

A post from the developers in this forum assuring us that MP was not Essential is lost in a "Server hiccup" I wonder why it wasnt restored?

Depressingly, given EA's new direction of everything online and interconnected, you can be sure that ME4 will be something like:

Play our awesome multiplayer (Its a poor ripoff of GOW horde mode) to unlock Disk two.
Want Ashley Williams as a squad mate, play our new IPAD 5 app, where you spam your friends social networking accounts to fight TEH REAPER MENACE.
Harbinger as squadmate, Day One DLC, $9.99


Booted up BG 2 a few weeks ago, I can only ask

"What happened guys?"

This post may come off as a little bitter, but sainsburys had an offer on 1 litre of Bells today (£14!) and I had some drambuie left, so Rusty nails were had by all 

Great post! 

Oh and you should consider yourself honoured my PMs have been ignored!!!!  Mind you if I'd got your answer maybe it was just as well - as it was completely meaningless and let's be honest probably "incorrect".

[crazyrabbits]

You know, for a company that built its reputation on good consumer relations via its consumer support and forums, Bioware has sure done an exceptional job of alienating its core base for the embrace of the "CoD" segment of the market. All this garbage with Origin's problems (which EA has now outright admitted is screwed and is looking to its users for answers), EA's poor customer service, Bioware's silence on a ridiculous game mechanic and their disregard and outright snobbery for its users is just further evidence of the company's slow burn down to the bottom.

Thank God the conversation here is halfway decent, otherwise I would have ditched these boards a long time ago.

[OneFodderUnit]

coolbeans wrote...


Thomas Abrams posted in another locked thread that if anyone had any questions regarding the EMS issue to PM him, I did, his response to my querying the possibility of attaining 4000+ EMS in SP was

"I managed it"





A post from the developers in this forum assuring us that MP was not Essential is lost in a "Server hiccup" I wonder why it wasnt restored?

These two things really show their utter contempt for their customers and shows how stupid they think we are.
I can't justify giving money to people who treat me like trash. I guess it takes months to investigate this when they already have a list of war assets and variables.

[Trebor1969]

7isMagic wrote...

I agree with many who posted here. I want to play my game in peace and in my own time. The "grind" of online apps has no place in my gaming experience.

+1

[Trebor1969]

crazyrabbits wrote...

You know, for a company that built its reputation on good consumer relations via its consumer support and forums, Bioware has sure done an exceptional job of alienating its core base for the embrace of the "CoD" segment of the market. All this garbage with Origin's problems (which EA has now outright admitted is screwed and is looking to its users for answers), EA's poor customer service, Bioware's silence on a ridiculous game mechanic and their disregard and outright snobbery for its users is just further evidence of the company's slow burn down to the bottom.

Thank God the conversation here is halfway decent, otherwise I would have ditched these boards a long time ago.

+1

[coolbeans]

Urgh whisky is a fickle b*tch of a mistress

Mods on holiday this week? I was sure this thread would be lockdowned by the time I awoke today.

[Ravennus]

I thought people might find this interesting..... "Evil" Chris Priestly admits himself, via Twitter, that the Tech forums are for users helping users and that Bioware devs don't have anything to do with them....

http://twitter.com/#...912559911022594  (FIXED)

So what can we conclude about the way EA/Bioware views our issue?

Yup...  stay classy guys....

Modifié par Ravennus, 04 mai 2012 - 08:40 .

[abaris]

Ravennus wrote...

I thought people might find this interesting..... "Evil" Chris Priestly admits himself, via Twitter, that the Tech forums are for users helping users and that Bioware devs don't have anything to do with them....

http://twitter.com/#...194912559911022

So what can we conclude about the way EA/Bioware views our issue?

Yup...  stay classy guys....

I tend to believe you, but clicking your link results in "site doesn't exist".

[Ravennus]

Sorry, fixed it