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[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

IsaacShep wrote...

This is not a 'bug', let's be honest here. 500+ missing War Assets to get 4000+ EMS (at 50% Readiness) ain't just a lil "omission", it was deliberate. I can understand everything (like for example the increased number of variables without increased development time which forced them to reduce number of dialogue options) but this I can't look at in anyway other than blatant attempt to force people to play MP. Sorry BW

Not to mention that the readiness degrades so you have to keep playing MP

[Krogangreetings]

Shinian2 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

This is not a 'bug', let's be honest here. 500+ missing War Assets to get 4000+ EMS (at 50% Readiness) ain't just a lil "omission", it was deliberate. I can understand everything (like for example the increased number of variables without increased development time which forced them to reduce number of dialogue options) but this I can't look at in anyway other than blatant attempt to force people to play MP. Sorry BW

Not to mention that the readiness degrades so you have to keep playing MP

yup that's a key point, what other point is there to degrading the EMS percentage other than to make you keep playing online?

would have been much better and you'd think easier if they were seperate

[Orkfaeller]

yeah its going to be awesome in half a year or so, when nobody is playing anymore the MP.

[bluewolv1970]

Orkfaeller wrote...

yeah its going to be awesome in half a year or so, when nobody is playing anymore the MP.

Bioware will be finished cleaning house of its fans by then and will not care at all...

[Warbuckaz]

Krogangreetings wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

This is not a 'bug', let's be honest here. 500+ missing War Assets to get 4000+ EMS (at 50% Readiness) ain't just a lil "omission", it was deliberate. I can understand everything (like for example the increased number of variables without increased development time which forced them to reduce number of dialogue options) but this I can't look at in anyway other than blatant attempt to force people to play MP. Sorry BW

Not to mention that the readiness degrades so you have to keep playing MP

yup that's a key point, what other point is there to degrading the EMS percentage other than to make you keep playing online?

would have been much better and you'd think easier if they were seperate

Readiness actually does Not degrade if you stay offline while playing. Mine has been holding steady @ 97% since March and I dont have a Xbox Live Gold subscription.

BUT this is actually a moot point because the servers will eventually go offline.

[puppy maclove]

Its simple....Bioware lied (again)... its to force people to play MP. Which is a lovely FU to their previous fans.

If it was a "bug", it would have dealt with or a moderator would have said as much by now. But nothing, they playing the waiting game on this issue.

[coolbeans]

Ruh oh, looks like Mr Priestly noticed the other thread on gen discussion and locked that sucker down, cant have people drawing attention to biowares bad practices, cant be long before this one goes the same way.

Apparantly takes a long time to count some war assetts, or is "investigating" code for "keep quiet till it all blows over, so we dont need to admit to a lie?"

I wonder how the prerelease falsehoo... I mean hype for the next big bioware release will be met?

How much of dragonage 3 will be locked out until we play the mp (i forsee a fps style capture the flag)to get realm readiness up?

See you chaps in the tech ghettos/forums

[Ravennus]

coolbeans wrote...

Ruh oh, looks like Mr Priestly noticed the other thread on gen discussion and locked that sucker down, cant have people drawing attention to biowares bad practices, cant be long before this one goes the same way.

Apparantly takes a long time to count some war assetts, or is "investigating" code for "keep quiet till it all blows over, so we dont need to admit to a lie?"

I wonder how the prerelease falsehoo... I mean hype for the next big bioware release will be met?

How much of dragonage 3 will be locked out until we play the mp (i forsee a fps style capture the flag)to get realm readiness up?

See you chaps in the tech ghettos/forums

As others have said, it honestly wouldn't take them long to legitimately investigate the issue, especially as we have already done most of the work for them.

I predict that the problem is that they haven't even started to put work hours into the issue.
When Thomas Abram was openly talking to us by PMs, he was very upfront in saying that he wanted to look into it but that all his other job responsibilities came first.
He said that it might take weeks until he could finally look at the issue in depth.

Now it's been weeks, and what are they getting him to focus on?
Right now his primary job seems to be investigating cheaters and exploiters in Muliplayer, not to mention possibly banning them.

Make of that what you will.


I think for now I'm going to take a break from all this and check in further down the road.
For various reasons (good or bad) this has become a deeply personal issue with me and I'm simply spending way too much energy on it.
I honestly feel like I'm just beating my head against the wall repeatedly... which is unfortunate for EA and Bioware, because that's not a way a longtime loyal customer should ever be made to feel.

Modifié par Ravennus, 08 mai 2012 - 02:33 .

[IBPROFEN]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Icinix wrote...

All this online stuff is killing gaming for me.

Same here.

 Think thats bad? I was told by GS person that their PC sells was going to Digital only, they are already doing it with older games.
 Well, I guess for me it will only leave Wally World(Wal-Mart) to go in to buy a hard copy of a game at midnight release.

[Gtacatalina]

coolbeans wrote...

How much of dragonage 3 will be locked out until we play the mp (i forsee a fps style capture the flag)to get realm readiness up?

Unfortunately I can see this happening

[TheRealJayDee]

Ravennus wrote...

I honestly feel like I'm just beating my head against the wall repeatedly... which is unfortunate for EA and Bioware, because that's not a way a longtime loyal customer should ever be made to feel.

Well, they are doing such a good job atm trying to convince me that I probably just shouldn't care about their future products that they might actually succeed. I would dearly love to understand though why they think this is the way to go...

I'm not a longtime loyal customer (started with DA:O and later ME/ME2), and the recent games (DA2/ME3), their problems and how these problems were communicated and treated made it not very likely that I'll become one in the future.

[CG Drum]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Ravennus wrote...

I honestly feel like I'm just beating my head against the wall repeatedly... which is unfortunate for EA and Bioware, because that's not a way a longtime loyal customer should ever be made to feel.

Well, they are doing such a good job atm trying to convince me that I probably just shouldn't care about their future products that they might actually succeed. I would dearly love to understand though why they think this is the way to go...

I'm not a longtime loyal customer (started with DA:O and later ME/ME2), and the recent games (DA2/ME3), their problems and how these problems were communicated and treated made it not very likely that I'll become one in the future.

Know how you feel - certainly will not pre-order another game by them, will always wait for proper customer reviews on new games by them and if I am expected to use MP to access parts of my SP game well they can keep it!

[Kub666]

Shinian2 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

This is not a 'bug', let's be honest here. 500+ missing War Assets to get 4000+ EMS (at 50% Readiness) ain't just a lil "omission", it was deliberate. I can understand everything (like for example the increased number of variables without increased development time which forced them to reduce number of dialogue options) but this I can't look at in anyway other than blatant attempt to force people to play MP. Sorry BW

Not to mention that the readiness degrades so you have to keep playing MP

Yeah, that really sucks. You can promote your MP characters though, this gives permanent war assets (I think), but the sad part is that MP is so-freaking-boring . It's the same type of mission over and over and over again, edless grind, grind, grind.... I just don't get it how people can still play it. I did play for a couple of days, it was fun at first, I reached the 100% GR, promoted one guy and... never looked back. It's just total waste of time. Plus you encounter hundreds of morons who spend whole days grinding, reach level 1000 and play 10 times better than you, which is also irritating. If I want to play this crap at least team me up with people on similar level.

/end rant

[miracleofsound]

Multiplayer affecting the SP in any way...

...sets a dangerous precedent.

[paul165]

miracleofsound wrote...

Multiplayer affecting the SP in any way...

...sets a dangerous precedent.

No kidding.

Saying it doesn't when it will sets an even worse one.

[Arsenic Touch]

Once D3 goes live, I will have officially stopped caring about this issue. It's obvious that we aren't going to get a fix or an even an acknowledgement any time soon.

[Gtacatalina]

Arsenic Touch wrote...

Once D3 goes live, I will have officially stopped caring about this issue. It's obvious that we aren't going to get a fix or an even an acknowledgement any time soon.

Mr Priestly has said, while locking down another EMS thread, 'We continue to investigate this, but have no updates yet'.

http://social.biowar...ndex/11868937/5

[coolbeans]

Gtacatalina wrote...

Arsenic Touch wrote...

Once D3 goes live, I will have officially stopped caring about this issue. It's obvious that we aren't going to get a fix or an even an acknowledgement any time soon.

Mr Priestly has said, while locking down another EMS thread, 'We continue to investigate this, but have no updates yet'.

http://social.biowar...ndex/11868937/5

I do love Biowares new policy, once they have announced they are working on/investigating something, discussion in the general discussion forum is no longer allowed. Lockdown!

Funny those EC threads dont get locked down, but Biowares announced they are working on it, surely there is nothing else to discuss <_<

Its place is not the tech forums, as Mr Priestly has said, the Tech forums are for fans to help fans, this is not an issue that we can help each other with, its not like only some people are encountering a bug, it is an issue for everyone.

Discussion needs to be allowed in General chat, to show Bioware how much of an issue this is for so many people, not have those suffering it sent to the tech ghettos, where Bioware shows little interest.

If anything the discussion highlights a worrying shift of direction on Biowares part towards an online gaming experience, rather than focusing on what they are good at: Purely single player games.

This ****storm could have been partially avoided if they had been truthful when asked if Multiplayer was required for all content, instead of lying and saying that the highest levels of success could be achieved through SP only, they could have said something like:

Those who wish to play the multiplayer have the opportunity to earn a small extra reward, in the form of a short cutscene.

People would still be pissed at the switch from single player only, but they wouldn't have the sense of betrayal that comes along with being Lied to.

Modifié par coolbeans, 09 mai 2012 - 09:34 .

[CG Drum]

coolbeans wrote...

Gtacatalina wrote...

Arsenic Touch wrote...

Once D3 goes live, I will have officially stopped caring about this issue. It's obvious that we aren't going to get a fix or an even an acknowledgement any time soon.

Mr Priestly has said, while locking down another EMS thread, 'We continue to investigate this, but have no updates yet'.

http://social.biowar...ndex/11868937/5

I do love Biowares new policy, once they have announced they are working on/investigating something, discussion in the general discussion forum is no longer allowed. Lockdown!

Funny those EC threads dont get locked down, but Biowares announced they are working on it, surely there is nothing else to discuss <_<

Its place is not the tech forums, as Mr Priestly has said, the Tech forums are for fans to help fans, this is not an issue that we can help each other with, its not like only some people are encountering a bug, it is an issue for everyone.

Discussion needs to be allowed in General chat, to show Bioware how much of an issue this is for so many people, not have those suffering it sent to the tech ghettos, where Bioware shows little interest.

If anything the discussion highlights a worrying shift of direction on Biowares part towards an online gaming experience, rather than focusing on what they are good at: Purely single player games.

This ****storm could have been partially avoided if they had been truthful when asked if Multiplayer was required for all content, instead of lying and saying that the highest levels of success could be achieved through SP only, they could have said something like:

Those who wish to play the multiplayer have the opportunity to earn a small extra reward, in the form of a short cutscene.

People would still be pissed at the switch from single player only, but they wouldn't have the sense of betrayal that comes along with being Lied to.

Agree with you - but think that they would never have been upfront about MP or Apps being required to access all parts of SP - or even an extra scene.  How many buyers would have put off buying the game on release if they had done that until they could see what impact it actually had.  And anyway SP speaks for itself - single player - not SP plus a little App or MP!!!!!!

The problem now is will people trust them on future games - not so sure I will. 

And seriously how long can it take to add up the war assets and come up with the "oh there isn't enough" fact....  dragging it on and on is not making them look good at all.

Then the locking threads and sending us to a part of the forum where they have little to no input... well.... "sigh"

[Ygolnac]

Showing my support against this awfull situation before next lock down.

Truth is there's nothing to investigate, they know that you can't access all the single player content without multiplayer and it's an intended feature.

Reason is that they want you to try MP and maybe buy MP equipment with microtransactions.

When they will release a single player DLC that will add war assets and we will have to pay for it the issue will be fixed.

Untill then they are going to tell us lies and lock down threads.

And we will go on making new ones.

Modifié par Ygolnac, 09 mai 2012 - 10:21 .

[G00N3R7883]

Gtacatalina wrote...

Mr Priestly has said, while locking down another EMS thread, 'We continue to investigate this, but have no updates yet'.

http://social.biowar...ndex/11868937/5

Please, Mr Priestly and/or other Bioware representatives, can we have a little more info than that? If its a bug, just tell us. Bugs happen, its unfortunate, its frustrating, but at least we could have some confidence that its something you'll fix - even if there is no current ETA for the fix. In this scenario it would also be a nice idea to release an official list of what combination of war assets should allow us to get the Shepard breath scene through singleplayer only.

If its a case of "the game is working as intended but we didn't realise a section of the fanbase would react so strongly against it, we're investigating whether or not we want to change it", again, just tell us so at least we know where we stand. If you're going to design a game with a feature that I don't personally like, I'd have more respect for Bioware if I'm told the truth, rather than have a feeling that there is an attempt to deceive me (which, the longer the situation drags on, the greater the feeling is becoming).

[royceclemens]

Indeed. I would be thrilled to pay BioWare for more of their wonderful single-player content, but locking it behind multiplayer wasn't part of the deal. In fact, it's in direct opposition to the deal.

At the very least, can something be done about the FAQ on the main site? Particularly the part that says "You can reach the highest levels of success in the single player experience alone, but Galaxy at War gives you alternative ways to get there." Think you might want to take that down before someone gets the wrong idea? That IS an advertising material, after all.

Because a less-than-generous person would call that a lie.

And my generosity is waning.

[Aquilas]

The game code does note lie. The coalesced files do not lie. There are only two possibilities here:

1. BioWare simply missed the the EMS shortfall in SP-only action. That's possible--lots of moving parts in a project like ME3. The fans discovered it, giving BioWare the opportunity to admit it and fix it.  BioWare has done neither to date, and they released the game over two months ago.

2. BioWare intentionally structured EMS so multiplayer was absolutely necessary to achieve the "twitch scene" ending. If that's true, they lied at game release and are still lying when they say you can achieve the "best" ending possible through SP only.

There are no other options: it's either ignorance, or it's lying. I'm not name-calling--I'm stating the only conclusion possible based on the facts in hand. And it stands regardless of whether or not a player chooses SP only.

Now add the fact that if option two is true, then a player who doesn't own an iOS device, or isn't willing to pay for XBOX Live Gold, etc., cannot possibly achieve the "best" ending.

BioWare, as many others have said, honesty is the best policy. If either option one or two is true, please let us know. Just fess up and fix it.

Modifié par Aquilas, 09 mai 2012 - 12:02 .

[no_subject]

I don't think Bioware at completely to blame. To quote Wikipedia - "As with book publishers or publishers of DVD movies, video game publishers are responsible for their product's manufacturing and marketing, including market research and all aspects of advertising." EA are the ones calling the shots. They tell Bioware what to do and when to do it, and Bioware can't do a thing unless they get the go ahead from EA, seeing as they're the ones paying Bioware's bills. EA obviously don't see the EMS situation as much of an issue at the moment and hence Bioware can't do much about it. I don't think Bioware deliberately made the 'best' ending inaccessible in SP, just that EA are not giving them the resources to fix the problem.

edit: Although I do find it quite insulting that Bioware are trying to brush the issue under the carpet by sending us to the tech forums when it clearly isn't a user-end technical fault.

Modifié par no_subject, 09 mai 2012 - 12:25 .

[MaxQuartiroli]

coolbeans wrote...

This ****storm could have been partially avoided if they had been truthful when asked if Multiplayer was required for all content, instead of lying and saying that the highest levels of success could be achieved through SP only, they could have said something like:

Those who wish to play the multiplayer have the opportunity to earn a small extra reward, in the form of a short cutscene.

People would still be pissed at the switch from single player only, but they wouldn't have the sense of betrayal that comes along with being Lied to.

The problem is not that they earn a whatever extra short cutscene, but it's the content of that extra short cutscene... 
I don't think they could ever play it as a "small reward" therefore backlash would came anyway.
It was better they really kept MP and SP separate like everybody asked.