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[Zardoc]

ReXspec wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

It may be impossible, but my Shep doesn't believe in no-win situations. He's going to try. A lot.

lol same.

Plus if scientists like Mordin exist, I'm sure they can work out some crazy scientific solution if someone REALLY wants a hybrid.

Human and alien DNA is 100% different it cannot be combined period.

We cant even combine our DNA with that of chimpanzees and it is over 98% that same.

Mordin Solus disagrees.

"Please... not difficult."

Also, Commander Shepard says hi.

There are some things even Shepard can't change. One of them is basic biology (and don't even think about mentioning Synthesis). And Mordin is dead.

Modifié par Zardoc, 02 mai 2012 - 04:33 .

[ReXspec]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

The main reason for the act was avoiding splicing with alien DNA to obtain useful alien abilities actually...
If it were outright impossible such a note would be useless...
It's however incredibly difficult, costly and illegal, and you are effectively creating a new life form that's neither of its "parent" species, that alone should be cause to pause, what prospect and quality of life could such a creature have?

It is not incredibly difficult it is down right impossible. Mixing two very differnet kinds of DNA is not possible because they are made out of differnt stuff.

Turians and Quarians cant even eat our food, how would we mix DNA with them? Asari Salerians and all the others dont even have the same base pairs we do meaning a life form with DNA from a Human and one of them is not possible because our DNA is made from differnt stuff.

You can throw as much money at the problem as you want but basic biology simply wont comply.

Commander Shepard says hi.

[goose2989]

Same reason you don't see Manbearpigs running around. It doesn't work

[ReXspec]

Zardoc wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

It may be impossible, but my Shep doesn't believe in no-win situations. He's going to try. A lot.

lol same.

Plus if scientists like Mordin exist, I'm sure they can work out some crazy scientific solution if someone REALLY wants a hybrid.

Human and alien DNA is 100% different it cannot be combined period.

We cant even combine our DNA with that of chimpanzees and it is over 98% that same.

Mordin Solus disagrees.

"Please... not difficult."

Also, Commander Shepard says hi.

There are some things even Shepard can't change. One of them is basic biology (and don't even think about mentioning Synthesis). And Mordin is dead.

Mordin is dead, but Salarian Scientists are not.  True, there was no one as good as Mordin, but I'm willing to bet there were Salarians who were damn close.  All I'm saying is, if you got scientists like Mordin and organizations like Cerberus who are willing to throw astronomical amounts of funds and resources at something like creating a human/turian, quarian/human, or whatever hybrid is definitely possible.

Modifié par ReXspec, 02 mai 2012 - 04:37 .

[KingNothing125]

goose2989 wrote...

Same reason you don't see Manbearpigs running around. It doesn't work

Don't you dare! Manbearpig is real! I'm super, duper serial.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Zardoc wrote...

And Mordin is dead.

Off-topic, but Mordin can survive. All it takes is dead Wrex and Eve.

Anyway, no, there can be no halfbreed children. Which I personally am fine with; didn't want a bunch of mini-Shepards running around anyway.

[justafan]

It might be possible to create a hybrid species, the reapers essentially accomplished this in the Brute.

Would it ever be ethical/be viable in a female of the desired species, probably not.

Besides, there are plenty of children that will need foster parents, and for all those talimancers, I can name at least one Quarian child that needs new parents, poor Jona 

Modifié par justafan, 02 mai 2012 - 04:43 .

[Zardoc]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

And Mordin is dead.

Off-topic, but Mordin can survive. All it takes is dead Wrex and Eve.

Anyway, no, there can be no halfbreed children. Which I personally am fine with; didn't want a bunch of mini-Shepards running around anyway.

Yeah, but who is douche enough to kill Wrex and Eve?

Modifié par Zardoc, 02 mai 2012 - 04:44 .

[Zardoc]

ReXspec wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

It may be impossible, but my Shep doesn't believe in no-win situations. He's going to try. A lot.

lol same.

Plus if scientists like Mordin exist, I'm sure they can work out some crazy scientific solution if someone REALLY wants a hybrid.

Human and alien DNA is 100% different it cannot be combined period.

We cant even combine our DNA with that of chimpanzees and it is over 98% that same.

Mordin Solus disagrees.

"Please... not difficult."

Also, Commander Shepard says hi.

There are some things even Shepard can't change. One of them is basic biology (and don't even think about mentioning Synthesis). And Mordin is dead.

Mordin is dead, but Salarian Scientists are not.  True, there was no one as good as Mordin, but I'm willing to bet there were Salarians who were damn close.  All I'm saying is, if you got scientists like Mordin and organizations like Cerberus who are willing to throw astronomical amounts of funds and resources at something like creating a human/turian, quarian/human, or whatever hybrid is definitely possible.

Yeah, but you don't. Matter of fact, gene splicing is illegal. And I also doubt Shepard and LI would seriously consider doing something like that.

Modifié par Zardoc, 02 mai 2012 - 04:46 .

[ediskrad327]

KingNothing125 wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

Same reason you don't see Manbearpigs running around. It doesn't work

Don't you dare! Manbearpig is real! I'm super, duper serial.

manvearpug is real...sorta

[kglaser]

I didn't read the thread, but I want to put in my ardent vote for NO MUTANT BABIES.
(in other words, I don't think human/turian or /quarian fetuses would be viable, and I don't support either.)

[ReXspec]

justafan wrote...

It might be possible to create a hybrid species, the reapers essentially accomplished this in the Brute.

Would it ever be ethical/be viable in a female of the desired species, probably not.

Besides, there are plenty of children that will need foster parents, and for all those talimancers, I can name at least one Quarian child that needs new parents, poor Jona 

True enough on the adoption, but viability and ethical...ness honestly depends on the approach.

I read one piece that had a femshep get impregnated by Garrus, but that was attributed to chance, which, I call BS on.

I'd imagine you'd have to completely change the environment of a human female womb to even be able to fertilize an egg with a different dna and cellular pattern.

Ah well... that wierd science is beyond me.

[Naoe]

Naturaly? No.
Through bioengineering on molecular level? Sure.

[ReXspec]

Zardoc wrote...

Mordin is dead, but Salarian Scientists are not.  True, there was no one as good as Mordin, but I'm willing to bet there were Salarians who were damn close.  All I'm saying is, if you got scientists like Mordin and organizations like Cerberus who are willing to throw astronomical amounts of funds and resources at something like creating a human/turian, quarian/human, or whatever hybrid is definitely possible.

Yeah, but you don't. Matter of fact, gene splicing is illegal. And I also doubt Shepard and LI would seriously consider doing something like that.

My Shep would as long as splicing wasn't something along the lines of Reaper indoctrination or biological manipulation done by the Reapers.

Modifié par ReXspec, 02 mai 2012 - 04:55 .

[ReXspec]

Naoe wrote...

Naturaly? No.
Through bioengineering on molecular level? Sure.

Agreed.  Again, it'd probably take a genius scientist and a lot of resources, but defintely possible if this were the case.

[Zardoc]

ReXspec wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Mordin is dead, but Salarian Scientists are not.  True, there was no one as good as Mordin, but I'm willing to bet there were Salarians who were damn close.  All I'm saying is, if you got scientists like Mordin and organizations like Cerberus who are willing to throw astronomical amounts of funds and resources at something like creating a human/turian, quarian/human, or whatever hybrid is definitely possible.

Yeah, but you don't. Matter of fact, gene splicing is illegal. And I also doubt Shepard and LI would seriously consider doing something like that.

My Shep would as long as splicing wasn't something along the lines of Reaper indoctrination or biological manipulation done by the Reapers.

...but it pretty much is. Creating a one-of-a-kind mutant/hybrid that might or might not be capable of living and could have an entire repertoire of physiological and biological problems in addition to psychological problems (like being to only one of his kind, doubt that's easy to take for a kid) in addition to Shepard being willing to create an abomination and playing god just because he wants a kid (which oddly enough reminds me of Miranda's dad, I wonder why...), that is just wrong. And that isn't even taking into account all the resource that would have to be wasted on such a project...

Ugh, why do people always need to bring up biological children for Tali/Garrus romances...

Modifié par Zardoc, 02 mai 2012 - 05:04 .

[ReXspec]

Zardoc wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Mordin is dead, but Salarian Scientists are not.  True, there was no one as good as Mordin, but I'm willing to bet there were Salarians who were damn close.  All I'm saying is, if you got scientists like Mordin and organizations like Cerberus who are willing to throw astronomical amounts of funds and resources at something like creating a human/turian, quarian/human, or whatever hybrid is definitely possible.

Yeah, but you don't. Matter of fact, gene splicing is illegal. And I also doubt Shepard and LI would seriously consider doing something like that.

My Shep would as long as splicing wasn't something along the lines of Reaper indoctrination or biological manipulation done by the Reapers.

...but it pretty much is. Creating a one-of-a-kind mutant/hybrid that might or might not be capable of living and could have an entire repertoire of physiological and biological problems in addition to psychological problems (like being to only one of his kind, doubt that's easy to take for a kid) in addition to Shepard being willing to create an abomination and playing god just because he wants a kid (which oddly enough reminds me of Miranda's dad, I wonder why...), that is just wrong. 

Ugh, why do people always need to bring up biological children for Tali/Garrus romances...

-shrug- There are a myriad of options on how to do it.  Some more or less ethical then others, but it comes down to the parents, and that (in a very real sense) is a personal decision.  As for psychological development, it's impossible to predict.  As for physical development, again, that comes down to the science of it.  Imho, wanting a child of the parents flesh and blood isn't wrong, but the inherent immorality of Miranda's father wanting a legacy he could control, was something that was wrong.

Look, I'm probably getting out of my depth (and field) here, and I've probably already ****ed up on this slippery slope argument, but, in the end, it comes down to the parents and their extremely personal (some would even call it sacred) choice.  If you are bothered by it, then you can say it never happens.  If you are like me, and have little problem with or understand the prospect, you can say it's possible and maybe even occurs.

[justafan]

ReXspec wrote...

justafan wrote...

It might be possible to create a hybrid species, the reapers essentially accomplished this in the Brute.

Would it ever be ethical/be viable in a female of the desired species, probably not.

Besides, there are plenty of children that will need foster parents, and for all those talimancers, I can name at least one Quarian child that needs new parents, poor Jona 

True enough on the adoption, but viability and ethical...ness honestly depends on the approach.

I read one piece that had a femshep get impregnated by Garrus, but that was attributed to chance, which, I call BS on.

I'd imagine you'd have to completely change the environment of a human female womb to even be able to fertilize an egg with a different dna and cellular pattern.

Ah well... that wierd science is beyond me.

Ya, I'm going off of what I learned in High School health class all those years ago, but at least for children in the womb, they need nutrients from the mother, necessitating the chirality of their DNA matchs the female.  So a Quman born to a human would be radically different genetically than a Quman born of a Quarian (unless you somehow can hybridize DNA, but I'm no biologist).  

You may be able to do something with converting Human chromosomes to its dextro equivilent through some complicated scientific procedure and artificially inseminate, at which point the child would either be pure Quarian/Turian or human.  Again though, don't know if possible.

[ReXspec]

justafan wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

justafan wrote...

It might be possible to create a hybrid species, the reapers essentially accomplished this in the Brute.

Would it ever be ethical/be viable in a female of the desired species, probably not.

Besides, there are plenty of children that will need foster parents, and for all those talimancers, I can name at least one Quarian child that needs new parents, poor Jona 

True enough on the adoption, but viability and ethical...ness honestly depends on the approach.

I read one piece that had a femshep get impregnated by Garrus, but that was attributed to chance, which, I call BS on.

I'd imagine you'd have to completely change the environment of a human female womb to even be able to fertilize an egg with a different dna and cellular pattern.

Ah well... that wierd science is beyond me.

Ya, I'm going off of what I learned in High School health class all those years ago, but at least for children in the womb, they need nutrients from the mother, necessitating the chirality of their DNA matchs the female.  So a Quman born to a human would be radically different genetically than a Quman born of a Quarian (unless you somehow can hybridize DNA, but I'm no biologist).  

You may be able to do something with converting Human chromosomes to its dextro equivilent through some complicated scientific procedure and artificially inseminate, at which point the child would either be pure Quarian/Turian or human.  Again though, don't know if possible.

I read another piece that had a nanite assisted insemination and development  I thought the theory was interesting, but the downside was the children (boy and girl) were either Quarian DNA dominant or Human DNA dominant.  Which means, a true hybrid is impossible, but impregnation and viable birth is.

[akeizm_]

You're all kill joys, it's a fantasy game. Let people have their fun geez.  With all the advanced tech and stuff in the universe, you never know what mad scientists would come up with.

Modifié par akeizm_, 02 mai 2012 - 05:35 .

[justafan]

ReXspec wrote...

justafan wrote...


Ya, I'm going off of what I learned in High School health class all those years ago, but at least for children in the womb, they need nutrients from the mother, necessitating the chirality of their DNA matchs the female.  So a Quman born to a human would be radically different genetically than a Quman born of a Quarian (unless you somehow can hybridize DNA, but I'm no biologist).  

You may be able to do something with converting Human chromosomes to its dextro equivilent through some complicated scientific procedure and artificially inseminate, at which point the child would either be pure Quarian/Turian or human.  Again though, don't know if possible.

I read another piece that had a nanite assisted insemination and development  I thought the theory was interesting, but the downside was the children (boy and girl) were either Quarian DNA dominant or Human DNA dominant.  Which means, a true hybrid is impossible, but impregnation and viable birth is.

The only problem with this is I don't think the current level of technology in ME is advanced enough to control nanites on that level.  Only the reapers have that technology, and it tends to make you all Husky and gross.

However, never underestimate the power of reverse engineering 

[ReXspec]

justafan wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

justafan wrote...


Ya, I'm going off of what I learned in High School health class all those years ago, but at least for children in the womb, they need nutrients from the mother, necessitating the chirality of their DNA matchs the female.  So a Quman born to a human would be radically different genetically than a Quman born of a Quarian (unless you somehow can hybridize DNA, but I'm no biologist).  

You may be able to do something with converting Human chromosomes to its dextro equivilent through some complicated scientific procedure and artificially inseminate, at which point the child would either be pure Quarian/Turian or human.  Again though, don't know if possible.

I read another piece that had a nanite assisted insemination and development  I thought the theory was interesting, but the downside was the children (boy and girl) were either Quarian DNA dominant or Human DNA dominant.  Which means, a true hybrid is impossible, but impregnation and viable birth is.

The only problem with this is I don't think the current level of technology in ME is advanced enough to control nanites on that level.  Only the reapers have that technology, and it tends to make you all Husky and gross.

However, never underestimate the power of reverse engineering 

That's what the author said.  The nanites were the result of reverse engineering.

Who knows.  It's all speculation at that point, but, I'd like to believe it would happen eventually (fully developed nano-tech, that is).

Modifié par ReXspec, 02 mai 2012 - 05:45 .

[tvman099]

Nope. If you're playing as dudeShep, you can only have kids of your own with Ashley or Jack. LotSB seems to suggest quite strongly that Miranda's infertility isn't something that can be fixed, which is odd considering that medical science is sufficiently advanced enough to nearly double human lifespans, modify genes, and bring people back from the dead in 2186. But hey, it is what it is.

[jdtungsten]

The fanboy/Talimancer in me says the ending had space magic so to fix that give me Shepard and Tali with a happy family. I wouldn't be sad if they weren't hybrids but wouldn't be mad if they were hybrids.

However the scientist in me says it is improbable only because of the whole DNA difference. Although people bring up the dextro amino acids as if that carries the weight of why it is not possible which is in some ways incorrect. The whole reason they eat and produce dextro amino acids is because their DNA tells them to. Saying that humans and Quarians/Turians can't reproduce because of this seems to imply that DNA is made of amino acids when in fact proteins are made of amino acids and DNA tells the cells to produce these proteins. Also it would imply that Turians and Quarians could reproduce if that was the only reason. But of course this is one of the many reason a hybrid is improbable as it is part of DNA the organism has. Though I do like to keep an open mind so I will never say it impossible but the probability is extremely low.

And hypothetical, if this were to occur naturally the DNA that defines the organisms proteins would have to come from the mother or the hybrid will not be able to survive. Thus if the mother is human, the hybrid would produces and eat things that have levo proteins and a Quarian/Turian mother would have a hybrid that produces and eat things that have dextro proteins. However if the hybrid was made in a lab it could be up to the parents what the child would need to eat.

[suprhomre]

RoyalGambit wrote...

Btw, Miranda is infertile, so the only squad members you can get pregnant are Ashley and Liara (kinda).

and Jack, kaiden, Jacob, Samara and Kasumi etc