Anders and Fenris: not sure
Merrill, her rivalry is all bout protecting her from herself, so her rivalmance would be the overprotective lover style
Isabela: she'll sleep with you anyways, and she falls for you after she realizes that her way of thining did not work,
Rivalmances....I don't get them....
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#27
Posté 11 mai 2012 - 12:11
coldwetn0se
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I admit to liking the friendmances better with those that I have romanced (still can't romance Merrill, though I now have an import in DAO I am working on that will be used for my first Merrill romance). If role-played a particular way, I can have a rivalmancy with Fenris that works well enough, but again, I prefer the Friendmance. I haven't done a rivalmancy with Anders yet, but I have rivalled him AND with a pro-mage mage. It actually worked really well, up until the very end, where the rivalry became null and void if you didn't shank him and helped the mages. I had really hoped that there would have still been specific dialogue to reflect the maxed rivalry, but alas........
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Posté 11 mai 2012 - 12:42
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coldwetn0se wrote...
I admit to liking the friendmances better with those that I have romanced (still can't romance Merrill, though I now have an import in DAO I am working on that will be used for my first Merrill romance). If role-played a particular way, I can have a rivalmancy with Fenris that works well enough, but again, I prefer the Friendmance. I haven't done a rivalmancy with Anders yet, but I have rivalled him AND with a pro-mage mage. It actually worked really well, up until the very end, where the rivalry became null and void if you didn't shank him and helped the mages. I had really hoped that there would have still been specific dialogue to reflect the maxed rivalry, but alas........
What does he say if you don't shank him, let him come with you and side mages on a max rivalry? I've never been able to not kill him, only letting him live once (friended) and sided with templars to see the confrontation with him in the gallows (in which case he died anyway), and so I could see Sebastian's freakout when you don't knife Anders.
I really prefer Merrill rivaled since she seems to go through a lot more character development than the friendmance (though the freindmance is sweeter). Fenris seems to have a lot more passion in the rivalmance, but it's almost indistinquishable as far as development of his character from the friendmance--he still stays angry either way. I prefer Isabela friended, so the rivalmance was hard for me to do (lots of choices I wouldn't have normally made contributed to it's feeling of wrongness as well as the ill choice of personality for Hawke I chose--probably should have gone with a super-goody-two-shoes diplomat or a really aggressive son of a b*tch Hawke). I never got past Act 2 with that one.
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Posté 11 mai 2012 - 03:11
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The only companion I romance is Anders and always chose the friendship path. However, I understand Merill’s rivalry path, Fenris, well do not know and do not care.
The rivalry path with Anders is senseless and a means to just show off Justice more. I can see a player who supports the Templars going this route, but beyond that, you do not really accomplish anything other than pissing the poor guy off. No matter if you chose the friendship or rivalry the ending is the same and on top of that (both sides) Anders seems to be aware his choice to merge with Justice is wrong-he however makes this clearer on the rivalry path.
Personally, I think wagging your finger in his face and telling him he was wrong about merging with Justice is well stupid. It is a done deal, there is no way you can separate them, if there was a means to separate them, I would find the rivalry path more understanding.
I think rivalry makes sense if it is done right and the outcomes do result in some sort of accomplishment. Merill’s rivalry romance path (watching videos) seems to have been done right, Anders, not so much.
The rivalry path with Anders is senseless and a means to just show off Justice more. I can see a player who supports the Templars going this route, but beyond that, you do not really accomplish anything other than pissing the poor guy off. No matter if you chose the friendship or rivalry the ending is the same and on top of that (both sides) Anders seems to be aware his choice to merge with Justice is wrong-he however makes this clearer on the rivalry path.
Personally, I think wagging your finger in his face and telling him he was wrong about merging with Justice is well stupid. It is a done deal, there is no way you can separate them, if there was a means to separate them, I would find the rivalry path more understanding.
I think rivalry makes sense if it is done right and the outcomes do result in some sort of accomplishment. Merill’s rivalry romance path (watching videos) seems to have been done right, Anders, not so much.
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Posté 11 mai 2012 - 09:14
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Eh one of the devs said Anders and Justice could conceivably be separated.
The how is a different matter. (As is Anders' state of mind after said separation).
The how is a different matter. (As is Anders' state of mind after said separation).
#31
Posté 15 mai 2012 - 04:35
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Really?
I think EVERY rivalmance is better than the friendmance in DA2 (with the exception of Fenris, since it simply doesn't make sense).
In fact, Merrill's rivalmance is my favorite romance in the game. The way she delivers, "Don't...try to save me" gives me chills every time.
I think EVERY rivalmance is better than the friendmance in DA2 (with the exception of Fenris, since it simply doesn't make sense).
In fact, Merrill's rivalmance is my favorite romance in the game. The way she delivers, "Don't...try to save me" gives me chills every time.
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Posté 15 mai 2012 - 06:00
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sylvanaerie wrote...
coldwetn0se wrote...
I admit to liking the friendmances better with those that I have romanced (still can't romance Merrill, though I now have an import in DAO I am working on that will be used for my first Merrill romance). If role-played a particular way, I can have a rivalmancy with Fenris that works well enough, but again, I prefer the Friendmance. I haven't done a rivalmancy with Anders yet, but I have rivalled him AND with a pro-mage mage. It actually worked really well, up until the very end, where the rivalry became null and void if you didn't shank him and helped the mages. I had really hoped that there would have still been specific dialogue to reflect the maxed rivalry, but alas........
What does he say if you don't shank him, let him come with you and side mages on a max rivalry? I've never been able to not kill him, only letting him live once (friended) and sided with templars to see the confrontation with him in the gallows (in which case he died anyway), and so I could see Sebastian's freakout when you don't knife Anders.
I really prefer Merrill rivaled since she seems to go through a lot more character development than the friendmance (though the freindmance is sweeter). Fenris seems to have a lot more passion in the rivalmance, but it's almost indistinquishable as far as development of his character from the friendmance--he still stays angry either way. I prefer Isabela friended, so the rivalmance was hard for me to do (lots of choices I wouldn't have normally made contributed to it's feeling of wrongness as well as the ill choice of personality for Hawke I chose--probably should have gone with a super-goody-two-shoes diplomat or a really aggressive son of a b*tch Hawke). I never got past Act 2 with that one.
Sorry for the delay sylvan....When I rivalled Anders with my snarky mage, the dialogue actually really worked well, up until the end. I have done different playthroughs with siding with mages, siding with Templars, friending/rivalling Anders and Sebastian, and of course, letting Anders live, telling him to shove off, and stabbity-ing him. But I had never done a play through where I rival him while being pro-mage (and yes, I did make it all about the Justice thing...plus, my Hawke was snarky, and that doesn't always go over very well with Anders
). I had decided to spare him and support the mages, and I had really hoped for some dialogue to finally be available that reflected how badly my character wanted Anders to "clean up his damn mess"......so to speak. At the very least, since my Hawke WAS rivalled, I was hoping for some snide comments during the last convo.....nup! It ends up playing out pretty much identical to if you spared him and had him friended.......
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Posté 16 mai 2012 - 12:55
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I dunno, some of them make more sense than others.
Isabela's and Merrill's, in their own way, are trying to teach them to be better people.
Isabela's rival path is mostly achieved toward helping others without expecting personal gain, for instance. Sure, that annoys her to hell, but as the game progresses and she becomes more attached to Hawke, it becomes a nice dynamic in the romance.
Merrill's was great too, since her friendship points are gained by mostly questionable actions, making deals with demons and whatnot. Sure, she despises you at some points, but in the end she realizes you were doing all that stuff she hated to save her.
Fenris and Anders are where things get a little iffy for me. I like that Fenris' rivalmance takes a "grow the hell up" stance, but it doesn't grow on me more than that. Anders, on the other hand, bothers me because it assumes things about the player; that they side with the Templars in this case.
I personally am on neutral ground about Sebastian's. He's so devout in his beliefs that it becomes hard to believe at points, but I can also see that Hawke forcing him to think outside his comfort zone can become a good thing in the relationship.
Isabela's and Merrill's, in their own way, are trying to teach them to be better people.
Isabela's rival path is mostly achieved toward helping others without expecting personal gain, for instance. Sure, that annoys her to hell, but as the game progresses and she becomes more attached to Hawke, it becomes a nice dynamic in the romance.
Merrill's was great too, since her friendship points are gained by mostly questionable actions, making deals with demons and whatnot. Sure, she despises you at some points, but in the end she realizes you were doing all that stuff she hated to save her.
Fenris and Anders are where things get a little iffy for me. I like that Fenris' rivalmance takes a "grow the hell up" stance, but it doesn't grow on me more than that. Anders, on the other hand, bothers me because it assumes things about the player; that they side with the Templars in this case.
I personally am on neutral ground about Sebastian's. He's so devout in his beliefs that it becomes hard to believe at points, but I can also see that Hawke forcing him to think outside his comfort zone can become a good thing in the relationship.
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Posté 16 mai 2012 - 10:38
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Fenris is the only one that makes little to no sense to me. It's just there, because, i don't know. Just a random love/hate relationship. More angry passionate love than gentle caring love.
Merrill's is a case of Hawke trying to protect her from herself, opening her eyes to the dangerous stuff she's meddling with.
Isabela's is all about trying to make her a better person, caring for others as she cares for herself.
Sebastian's is all about pushing him to become the Ruler he has to be for the sake of his people. Trying to make him grow into the role of Prince and stop hiding behind the security of the Chantry.
Anders Rivalry Path.... Personally, i always felt as if desperation for normality made him cling to Hawke like a lifeline to sanity. Despite all their arguments, all their disagreements, differences of opinion. Despite how much Hawke might verbally beat him down, Anders seems to need that human connection to maintain just the slightest piece of *himself*.
I always found the Anders Rivalry path oddly compelling, and deeply disturbing.
Merrill's is a case of Hawke trying to protect her from herself, opening her eyes to the dangerous stuff she's meddling with.
Isabela's is all about trying to make her a better person, caring for others as she cares for herself.
Sebastian's is all about pushing him to become the Ruler he has to be for the sake of his people. Trying to make him grow into the role of Prince and stop hiding behind the security of the Chantry.
Anders Rivalry Path.... Personally, i always felt as if desperation for normality made him cling to Hawke like a lifeline to sanity. Despite all their arguments, all their disagreements, differences of opinion. Despite how much Hawke might verbally beat him down, Anders seems to need that human connection to maintain just the slightest piece of *himself*.
I always found the Anders Rivalry path oddly compelling, and deeply disturbing.
Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 16 mai 2012 - 10:43 .
