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[jeweledleah]

when talking to Kaidan about TIM. "no, I didn't see it coming at all"

dude... I saw it coming a mile away, I expected betrayal and something this ruthless from him from the moment he set up Horizon to be attacked, and it was only reinforced with every other little project of his that I uncovered in ME2. even before, all those Cerberus missions in ME1..

regardless of which option you take, renegade or paragon.. Shepard always acts like she/he is so very surprised about TIM being this ruthless...

/facepalm

edited... its not spoilerish, is it??

Modifié par jeweledleah, 01 mai 2012 - 12:17 .

[DeinonSlayer]

jeweledleah wrote...

when talking to Kaidan about TIM. "no, I didn't see it coming at all"

dude... I saw it coming a mile away, I expected betrayal and something this ruthless from him from the moment he set up Horizon to be attacked, and it was only reinforced with every other little project of his that I uncovered in ME2. even before, all those Cerberus missions in ME1..

regardless of which option you take, renegade or paragon.. Shepard always acts like she/he is so very surprised about TIM being this ruthless...

/facepalm

edited... its not spoilerish, is it??

Shepard seems to forget a lot of what happened before, doesn't (s)he?

You tell off TIM at the end of ME2, saying he's completely ruthless and accusing him of wanting to build his own reaper. ME3 rolls around, and Shepard is completely blindsided by TIM's ruthlessness?

Tali was shot in Mass Effect 1 before you found her. She went to Doctor Michel for treatment before getting in contact with Fist. That's kinda how you met up with her in the first place. In ME3, she tells Shepard she was shot on the Citadel before you found her and Shepard acts as though (s)he never knew that happened?

It's like the writing of the entire game was geared towards those who never played either of the last two. You can't expect to jump into part tree of a trilogy and know what's going on - and it cheapens the experience when you write it as though the player has forgotten the events of the last two games.

Also, spoilers are fine in this thread as far as I'm concerned. I dropped a note in the first post, if a mod decides it's worth moving, so be it. I won't be able to post to the thread anymore.

[Ubergrog]

No, the most immersion breaking moment was when my shepard busted out the predator (when I strictly use the N7Eagle in SP), and shot the least effective weapon in the game at a villain that deserved my M-99 Saber round between his eyes. STOP USING PISTOLS WHEN YOU CAN USE HEAVY WEAPONS!

[jeweledleah]

Ubergrog wrote...

No, the most immersion breaking moment was when my shepard busted out the predator (when I strictly use the N7Eagle in SP), and shot the least effective weapon in the game at a villain that deserved my M-99 Saber round between his eyes. STOP USING PISTOLS WHEN YOU CAN USE HEAVY WEAPONS!

if only just that...  why is Kaidan not using his barrier and SHOOTING a pistol at EVA core and then just dangles there, helplessly, not even trying to kick her or anything?  you know that same guy who bioticaly snapped a neck of a turian while still a teenager and not at full strength? or why isn't he using barrier during the coup (oh right, because Ashley cannot have one >_> )
or my biotic Shepards NEVER using biotics in any cutscenes.
Grunt never using his biotics.  Thane never using his biotics.  or Jacob... at least Miranda, Liara and Samara got to use their biotics...

as for Tali thing, I pretty much had to force myself to interpret it as Shepard not realizing that it was that specific spot she was shot at, rather then not remembering the fact that Tali was shot at all.

I'm nitpicking...  I know... but it still throws me right out of the narrative this lack of certain details.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

**** artistic integrity. If they made Shepard this bland in the first 2 games, that'd be acceptable. But we had every right to expect Shepard to have just as many dialogue wheels if not more. They misleaded us and they know it, artistic integrity be damned.

It's just like LOST, where all of a sudden the writes change the direction of the story and claim that it was their intention all along and hide behind they mountains of cash, saying that the ending's "complicated" when in reality they had no idea how to end the story.

[wizardryforever]

For the people saying that Shepard is supposed to be the "player avatar," I gotta say that no he isn't, and he never was.  At least not completely.  He was always a mesh between established character and blank slate.  There are things about him that you can't change (he's an N7 marine, and acts like one, go figure), and there are some things you can mold.  This is no less true in ME3.  You can mold his character and behavior in a lot of different ways, and the dialogue wheels that do show up feel much more powerful as a result. 

As for Shepard suddenly not knowing about certain things, the kicker there is that all of that is left-side dialogue, which is investigative in nature.  If you the player do know these things and feel that Shepard should as well, then you can elect to not pick them at all.  The same with the "big stupid jellyfish" line.  It's investigative, so don't pick it if you don't want to hear it.  It's not auto-dialogue.

I gotta say my biggest piece of immersion breaking happened way back in ME1, when Shepard has no choice (other than not talking to him) but to compare the genophage to the First Contact War when talking to Wrex.  God that got on my nerves.  There's also the fact that at the beginning of the game, you're railroaded more than Grand Central Station in regards to your dialogue in plot situations.  There's no option to be cautious or optimistic, only gung-ho and doom-and-gloom options are allowed.  In a lot of ways, that's worse than auto-dialogue, since the whole damn wheel is a lie.

As for ME3, I didn't particularly like how there was no dialogue wheel at all during the Catalyst sequence.  I think that this is one of the main aspects that the EC will address though.

[Savber100]

We have to blame ourselves for this one. Our complaints that Shepard was too Mary Sue/flat and positive remarks over LOSTB's-styled interaction combined with Bioware's desire to cut down dialogue costs probably didn't help. 

Honestly, I didn't mind it so much. Why? Shepard never felt like a personal avatar. The Warden was in DA:O but not in this case in Mass Effect. 

To me, Shepard was just a character I gently guided throughout his or her adventures and nothing more if that makes sense. 

Modifié par Savber100, 01 mai 2012 - 01:39 .

[slimgrin]

danteliveson wrote...

Anything that was meant to be emotional.

Respecting any authority figure.

This. For a game that had such witty humor, and lots of it, it felt like a highschool student was tasked with the emotional moments.

[Ruthac_Arus]

Endgame "conversation" and "They're throwing their lives away!" the first time you run into the Geth. Shepard darn well knows they're networked intelligence- that was thrown in simply for new players or those who, somehow, forgot the numerous times it was mentioned between ME1 and ME2.

[DeinonSlayer]

Ruthac_Arus wrote...

Endgame "conversation" and "They're throwing their lives away!" the first time you run into the Geth. Shepard darn well knows they're networked intelligence- that was thrown in simply for new players or those who, somehow, forgot the numerous times it was mentioned between ME1 and ME2.

Sort of like Shepard's attempts to get a name from Legion despite Tali's explanation of their networked intelligence in ME1, and the Codex from both games.

[Ruthac_Arus]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Sort of like Shepard's attempts to get a name from Legion despite Tali's explanation of their networked intelligence in ME1, and the Codex from both games.

That one, while a little annoying, isn't quite as bad to me. Shepard had never run into a Geth platform talking to organics- no living organic had. He/she might've made the assumption that this unusual unit was operating as some kind of special gestault consciousness that had taken a collective identity, rather than a directly democratic concensus of individual programs.

That said, I agree Shepard still comes across as a little dense there. =P

[MizterBizkits]

The part that irked me the most was when Shepard snapped at Joker for making jokes. Him getting mad was not the action of the Shepard I created. That was the act...OF A REAPER! OWOWOOWOOO PROOF FOR IT! But no, seriously. Pissed me off.

[Roobz82]

Liara's really delayed "kaiden needs medical attention"

[Icinix]

Big Stupid Jelly Fish.

Yeah - I know why it was there, I know why it was said. But my shep never lost his cool before and made racist commentary...why now?

[Doctoglethorpe]

Any time he got religious. 

Shepard stop it, your not religious.  You already told Ashley you weren't in ME1.  Wtf mate? 

[BrysonC]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Any time he got religious. 

Shepard stop it, your not religious.  You already told Ashley you weren't in ME1.  Wtf mate? 

Writing inconsistencies =

[-Skorpious-]

Anytime Shepard complains about Earth. My Shepard acknowledges that Earth needs to be liberated, but at the same time understands that gathering a united fleet is a more important task.

[AppealToReason]

Any time my badass Renegade jerk tell everyone to F themselves Shepard turned into a soft babyfaced squishy turd. It wasn't often but it happened enough.

[Han Shot First]

Daennikus wrote...

"That was for Miranda you son of a b."

What if I didn't care much for her?

Shepard did.

Shepard has never been a blank slate character like the Warden from Dragon Age, where he has no voiced dialogue and no personality, other than what the player gives him in their head canon. Whether or not the player cares for certain squadmates, Shepard at least views them as comrades-in-arms.

I personally don't have a problem with this, as Shepard is a lot more interesting a character than the Warden, particularly in Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 01 mai 2012 - 05:11 .

[Celtic Latino]

Everything involving the Starchild and Thessia arc. Truth be told much of the autodialogue is really immersion breaking. You can't play an anti-alien Shepard and you most certainly cannot play an anti-Liara Shepard. EVERYTHING involving Liara, from the idea of a Shepard who hates her to a heterosexual female Shepard, is immersion breaking. 

Edit: 
+ Vega auto-flirt for Paragon Sheps (though I liked the dialogue, that should've been optional) 
+ Shepard going off on EDI for trying to cheer him/her up. 

*adds pretty much the entire LotSB DLC of ME2 to the list even though this is ME3 topic*

As much as ME3 has made such strides...they really killed the idea of roleplaying Shepard. If they wanted him/her to be a predefined character they should have made him/her like that in the first Mass Effect. (Which is why I still hold the first Mass Effect as my favorite).

Dear BioWare, please make-up your mind and stop changing characters to your whim. If your protagonist is predefined, let it be so. If we have the option to roleplay, don't give it one game and take it away the next. Thanks. 

Modifié par Celtic Latino, 01 mai 2012 - 05:16 .

[AppealToReason]

A lot of the dialogue with Cortez. I thought I was going to be a dick and tell him to man up because thats how my Shepard rolled. Instead most of it was "cheer up pal!" with less flirt in it.

[MelancholyV]

Beginning dialogue for the entire f-ing game. It goes on autopilot and I'm watching as my Shep has full conversations with Vega, Anderson and Kaidan/Ash while I'm sitting and staring at my screen like an idiot. Not a good way to start.

[nocbl2]

Talking Reapers to death and other various segments.

[bFootball]

Agree totally about Shepard not seeing TIM turning on him. It's blindingly obvious TIM would turn out to be the antagonist. It was to me at least. The best word I can think of to describe much of ME3's writing is "clumsy".

[The Milky Waver]

Let's just say I'm tired of Liara's endless barrage of passes at my Shep.