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Most immersion-breaking piece of auto-dialogue?


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#101
DeinonSlayer

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The Milky Waver wrote...

Let's just say I'm tired of Liara's endless barrage of passes at my Shep. 

Out of 16 squadmates in Mass Effect 1 and 2, 15 can be killed off, some on more than one occasion. Liara was always one of those characters I simply... put up with, in earlier titles. I'd have happily booted her off the ship as a war asset, had we been given the opportunity (as we are with the VS). Being forced to interact with her sucks.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 01 mai 2012 - 06:07 .


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-Skorpious- wrote...

Anytime Shepard complains about Earth. My Shepard acknowledges that Earth needs to be liberated, but at the same time understands that gathering a united fleet is a more important task.


^This.  It's even more irrelevant when your Shepard is not from Earth (Spacer or Colonist background).

Also when Shepard tells Vega to head back to the entrance in the Mars facility, and he says, "What?" in a very insubordinate fashion. There should be an option to put him in his place (verbally or physically)..  The Alliance is in a state of emergency like nothing they had ever faced, and it seems illogical that Commander Shepard should tolerate such blatant disrespect from a subordinate.  Questioning orders like that is not a good thing, and is especially not in such a situation.

Not really a lengthy auto-dialog, but still something I noticed; overall, Shepard barely seems worthy of his/her N7 rating as the game goes along.  It takes more than a knack for shooting to be a good soldier.

Modifié par Tibullus, 01 mai 2012 - 06:32 .


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Aside from the ending, I would have a hard time narrowing it down too much...

1) Being a jackass after Thessia. Seriously...I wanted to smack Shepard around for being such a whiny **** all of the sudden.
2) Killing the head of the Blood Pack. I was mostly Paragon, but this KILLED me.
3) Being a jerk to Aria's "father". At one point you ask her if she's threatening you, literally after she said something that made me go "I really like this matriarch!"
4) Any time at all he was nice to Vega. Ok, I could understand being civil...but my Shepard seemed to actually enjoy the company of Vega. I wanted nothing more than to tell him to shut the hell up.

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"I hope she's watching over us" [paraphrased], on Ashley's death on Virmire.
All the Earth lines. And OH GOD "it's good to be back home". Shepard, you're a colonist, goddamn it. You were a proud spectre and told the alliance to screw themselves a thousand times. The whole galaxy's at stake and you go whining about Earth, which you saw, at best, twice.
And the retarded lines at the beginning. "This isn't about strategy or tactics, this is about survival", "The citadel? The fight's here!". And then the autoflirting with Vega. I cringed for ten minutes straight.

Modifié par m_k, 08 mai 2012 - 02:52 .


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I liked for EVERY convo in ME1 you could investigate. Even for pointless stuff you could investigate and get more info. That is what I missed I had sooooo many questions why can I not ask them anymore? I did with sovereign and TIM in ME1 and ME2 so why do I suddenly stop my sense of curiosity and accept all rubbish thrown at me?

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The beginning of the game till the after the Mars Mission. I watched more than played (even combat).

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Amioran wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
If you could break up just one piece of auto-dialogue in order to deliver a response more appropriate for your Shepard, what would it be?

(Sorry if this needs to be moved.)


A little off-topic but I think this need to be addressed since people continue to mix things up.

It doesn't exist a thing as your Shepard. Shepard is Shepard.

While you get to control some of Shepard's actions and choices that's a different thing than owning a character, a completely different thing.

The archetype of Shepard is created by the authors. Shepard, at the root, is what the authors want him/her to be, so Shepard will always be him/her as created by the authors fundamentally. You just get to control him/her for a while but s/he will never be yours, just because Shepard is not an archetype created by yourself. You never create the context for the character, you never create Shepard, it already exists as an individual with his/her own characteristics.

The choices you can have etc. will always have boundaries set by the type of archetype the authors decided to create. So when I hear phrases of the kind: "my Shepard would never do a thing as that" or "my Shepard would do otherwise" referred to the way the authors decided to script some parts I cannot but shake my head in disbelief. "Your" Shepard doesn't exist and it is perfectly fitting for the authors to make Shepard consistent with their view of the character they created. Shepard is what the authors wants him/her to be at the root, you just control his/her modus operandi for a while, nothing more.

A total different thing is, instead, when you create an archetype yourself. In that case the character will be yours in the real sense and things as that would be really inappropriate (they happen the same but for motives of resources, but they usually get masked). You get to decide everything about that character because it is your character, starting from the context of the same. Examples of these type of archetypes are characters you can create in games as Baldur's Gate, or Temple of Elemental Evil, Fallout, Skyrim or the old SSI rpgs, etc.

They are totally different in scope than characters that are already formed in the context, that are already archetypes created by the authors. Examples of these types of characters are: Hawke, Shepard (in fact), Geralt, Jensen and so on and so forth. All of them are already what they are at the root and you cannot make that character "yours" no more than you can do that with another real person.

There's a great difference between the two types. For the Shepards' types it doesn't exist an "yours" about them, while for the other kind yes because they don't exist as individuals before you create them (in the way you want).


1st, it is an RPG
2nd, this next quote is from the offical discription of Mass Effect but still stands for ME3 to show how they change the game for the worse with auto-talking shepard.

"Mass Effect offers players intense real-time combat, their own squad to take charge of, and a wide variety of weapons and abilities to make enemies fear the name Shepard. But the real draw of the game is how customizable it is to your style of gameplay. Players don’t just control Shepard, they completely become him (or her), with six different character classes to choose from and a variety of physical appearances.

Once you start the game and interact with others, you’ll realize just how open-ended the world is. You’ll decide absolutely everything that Shepard says, ranging from missions to romantic relationships, and you’ll see the effect your words have on your squad members and other NPCs you encounter. The most impressive aspect is that the story itself will adapt to your decisions and change accordingly."

As for the OP, the answer would All Of It. If i dont click on what he/she should be saying then he/she should not be talking. 

#108
TheRealJayDee

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DeinonSlayer wrote...

It's like the writing of the entire game was geared towards those who never played either of the last two.


Sad but true. Image IPB

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TheRealJayDee wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

It's like the writing of the entire game was geared towards those who never played either of the last two.


Sad but true. Image IPB


Yep very much so.

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Hey... Just came by to let you know...



Well bang ok?

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I would like to have a choice of picking the side we want our shep to go paragon or Renagade I think for me personaly I would love to set auto story shep on those routes instead of randomly going both paths which is weird for me!

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All of the Auto-Dialogue. When I play an RPG, I want to be in control of my PC. Even if the difference is only cosmetic.
However, special mention goes to:
- Thessia: After that mission, I wanted to tear the asari councilor a new one for holding this information back. Seriously, what was she thinking?!
- Leaving Earth: That was painful to watch, and not in a good way. I knew perfectly well that we would need help, so stop arguing and move your sorry ass to the citadel!

Modifié par WarpedDog, 02 mai 2012 - 07:12 .


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WarpedDog wrote...

- Thessia: After that mission, I wanted to tear the asari councilor a new one for holding this information back. Seriously, what was she thinking?!
- Leaving Earth: That was painful to watch, and not in a good way. I knew perfectly well that we would need help, so stop arguing and move your sorry ass to the citadel!


This. Shepard APOLOGISED to the councillor - seriously?! And after two games of saying EVERYONE needs to fight the reapers, wth was my Shepard trying to stay on Earth?

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The moment just after mordin died when i was talking to liara about people who had died...and it forced me into either talking about Ashley (who i hate) or the renegade path. That pissed me off. I don't give a **** about Ashley, never did...

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"you big stupid jelly fish"
"I'll sleep when I am dead"

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"you big stupid jellyfish"
And the autoflirting with Vega seriously WTH? The character is all but married at this point.

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The Mars mission. We just had an annoying surprise-conversation with The Illusive Man and Liara has discovered something.


Liara: "Shepard!"
ManShep. Low-pitched, annoyed voice: "Whaaat?" <_<

Modifié par Daennikus, 13 mai 2012 - 09:50 .


#118
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I agree, there's too much autodialog and it's fixed whether you are paragon or renegade. I was hoping BW would use the same system as DA2, where Hawke's dialog changes depending on which path you use the most. The emotional scenes are all awful, especially the ones with Ashley/Kaidan. Also, my femshep was at most moderately friendly with Kaidan, but the emo scene in the hospital made it seem like she was in a relationship with him.
I didn't know about the autoflirt with Vega, good thing I don't bother talking to him. Isn't there a way to avoid it using renegade options?

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bluebeam wrote...

I agree, there's too much autodialog and it's fixed whether you are paragon or renegade. I was hoping BW would use the same system as DA2, where Hawke's dialog changes depending on which path you use the most. The emotional scenes are all awful, especially the ones with Ashley/Kaidan. Also, my femshep was at most moderately friendly with Kaidan, but the emo scene in the hospital made it seem like she was in a relationship with him.
I didn't know about the autoflirt with Vega, good thing I don't bother talking to him. Isn't there a way to avoid it using renegade options?


Huh... I thought some autodialogue was different depending on your alignment, such as the second mission when talking to... that guy. Trying to stick to the non-spoiler rules here.

#120
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Shepard snapping at Dr. Archer at the ex-Cerberus scientist's base on Arrae. What the hell, woman?

I was trying to be understanding - My Shepard has always been the kind who, like myself in real life, tries to forgive people who've done bad things as long as they genuinely change their ways, like sparing Rana Thanoptis both the first and second time around, sparing Shiala, trying to save Tali in spite of what the quarians have done etc - but in that one scene, Shepard just randomly yells at Archer after the guy tells her that he quit Cerberus thanks to her opening his eyes...

Douchebag.

#121
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I would have remembered Legion its own philosophical statments in ME2 and i would have done EVERYTHING to avoid "upgrading" geth with reaper tech. i would have bluffed with han'gerrel (i would have punched him even more.) i would have defended the geth from the start. i would NOT have mourned for the child, i would have mourned for Mordin

#122
WhereisBaoDur

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also, my spacer/sole survivor/paragon male shep didn't care particularly for earth

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I have to say nothing really.

Though I laughed and squeed when shepard went and said big dumb jellyfish.

Probably would have never heard that line had it not been autodialouged, I would have picked paragon.

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Unpleasant Implications

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"Big. Stupid. Jellyfish".
This one actually made me cringe.

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ItsTheTruth

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Whatever nonsense Shepard says in the intro, to Vega (who?) and the council.

After that there was no immersion possible.

Modifié par ItsTheTruth, 05 juin 2012 - 11:37 .