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[the_one_54321]

What? The inaccuracy of title was addressed in the beginninv of the discussion. That was the whole thing about the line delivery feeling arrogant to me. Why are you so insistant on going around this circle again?

[coles4971]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Ghidorah14 wrote...

IMO, the Warden kind of has a reason to be stronger than the average joe, and has at least some measure of authority.

Hawke really doesnt.

The Grey Wardens only invite the brighest,  and best to start with regardless of social standing. The person is already above the average joe. The taint gives them the ability to sense darkspawn and for some limited communication. So the people recruited are already among the best of the best. Hawke is also well trained and on par or above some of the potential wardens in the DAO origins. So yes Hawke does have a reason.

i can't remember, what does it actually say about hawke's training? i mean i know warrior/rogue hawke was some dude/dudette in the king's army but that's about it. unless hawke was given some sort of *special* training?

Modifié par coles4971, 18 mai 2012 - 04:35 .

[the_one_54321]

Fil, seriously what the heck are you talkinv about? You want me to change the title now?

I posted what was bouncing around in my head when I started the thread. Then spent the next several pages working out the causes of the issue I was experiencing. Other posters shared their own thoughts along the way. Then the thread evolved on its own crom there. Why does strict accuracy in the title become a central issue?

[Realmzmaster]

coles4971 wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Ghidorah14 wrote...

IMO, the Warden kind of has a reason to be stronger than the average joe, and has at least some measure of authority.

Hawke really doesnt.

The Grey Wardens only invite the brighest,  and best to start with regardless of social standing. The person is already above the average joe. The taint gives them the ability to sense darkspawn and for some limited communication. So the people recruited are already among the best of the best. Hawke is also well trained and on par or above some of the potential wardens in the DAO origins. So yes Hawke does have a reason.

i can't remember, what does it actually say about hawke's training? i mean i know warrior/rogue hawke was some dude/dudette in the king's army but that's about it. unless hawke was given some sort of *special* training?

Yes Hawke was some dude/dudette in the King's army which means he/she had training. Hawke was at the battle of Ostagar. All of the soldiers were training before the battle. So Hawke had military training. Mage Hawke was trained by one of the greatest circle (became apostate) mage of that time Malcolm Hawke.

The city elf warden had training from his/her mother who was a skilled rogue or warrior (dependent on the PC's class), but had never seen combat.
The Dalish elf is trained as a hunter and has seen limited combat.
Human Noble has had training in military matters and competed in tournaments, but has not seen combat.
Dwarf commoner is a street thug who has been in street fights as an enforcer.
Dwarf noble has the most combat experience and training of all the origins having fought darkspawn and in the Proving
Mage received training from the Circle , but has never seen combat until the Harrowing.

[thats1evildude]

Warrior and Rogue Hawke also received training from their father, who was so badass that he could fight nearly as well in hand-to-hand combat as he could with magic.

It's a pity Malcolm died before the Blight, or he likely could have defeated the darkspawn horde on his own.

[TEWR]

thats1evildude wrote...

It's a pity Malcolm died before the Blight, or he likely could have defeated the darkspawn horde on his own

Only if he had the requisite badass beard of awesome badassery, like I've imagined him having since Legacy.

[Ghidorah14]

In Exile wrote...

What do you mean? The reason you got to be a Warden was because how awesome you were. It's Awesome, then Warden, not the other way around.

You're only as "awesome" as any other Grey Warden (recruit).

There are other Wardens who survived the joining, just as you did. And being that you're a newbie, essentially, there are other Wardens with far more experiance fighting darkspawn. You only survived because of some very strange circumstances.

So really, while you may be "pure awesome" compared to a gang of thugs/soldiers, you're no better than the other
Wardens or Warden recruits. My point is that there are obviously other Wardens (or even regular warriors) who are just as capable as you are.

Realmzmaster wrote...

The Grey Wardens only invite the brighest,  and best to start with regardless of social standing. The person is already above the average joe. The taint gives them the ability to sense darkspawn and for some limited communication. So the people recruited are already among the best of the best. Hawke is also well trained and on par or above some of the potential wardens in the DAO origins. So yes Hawke does have a reason.

My issue here is that, unlike the warden, Hawke really doesnt "earn their way up the enemy foodchain" so to speak. Right from the beginning, you're taking out darkspawn grunts like its nobodies business, then OH LOOK AN OGRE LETS KILL IT LOL. You go right from darkspawn grunts to an orge, whereas in the wardens story you fight weak enemies and through that and Ostagar, you slowly work your way up to higher tier enemies.

I dunno, it's just weird. With Hawke it always feels like "hi, I'm Hawke. I kill stuff with my Awesome. Just ask Varric." =D

I dont really care for that.

Modifié par Ghidorah14, 19 mai 2012 - 06:42 .

[Realmzmaster]

Ghidorah14 wrote...

In Exile wrote...

What do you mean? The reason you got to be a Warden was because how awesome you were. It's Awesome, then Warden, not the other way around.

You're only as "awesome" as any other Grey Warden (recruit).

There are other Wardens who survived the joining, just as you did. And being that you're a newbie, essentially, there are other Wardens with far more experiance fighting darkspawn. You only survived because of some very strange circumstances.

So really, while you may be "pure awesome" compared to a gang of thugs/soldiers, you're no better than the other
Wardens or Warden recruits. My point is that there are obviously other Wardens (or even regular warriors) who are just as capable as you are.

Realmzmaster wrote...

The Grey Wardens only invite the brighest,  and best to start with regardless of social standing. The person is already above the average joe. The taint gives them the ability to sense darkspawn and for some limited communication. So the people recruited are already among the best of the best. Hawke is also well trained and on par or above some of the potential wardens in the DAO origins. So yes Hawke does have a reason.

My issue here is that, unlike the warden, Hawke really doesnt "earn their way up the enemy foodchain" so to speak. Right from the beginning, you're taking out darkspawn grunts like its nobodies business, then OH LOOK AN OGRE LETS KILL IT LOL. You go right from darkspawn grunts to an orge, whereas in the wardens story you fight weak enemies and through that and Ostagar, you slowly work your way up to higher tier enemies.

I dunno, it's just weird. With Hawke it always feels like "hi, I'm Hawke. I kill stuff with my Awesome. Just ask Varric." =D

I dont really care for that.

Hawke was killing darkspawn at Ostagar which meant he encountered the ogres before. He has experience fighting them. The only warden recruit that has experience fighting the darkspawn is the dwarf noble and maybe the dalish elf., but even the human noble was taking out knights and battle his/her way through a horde of Howe's men. So I do not see the difference.

[Ghidorah14]

Realmzmaster wrote...


Hawke was killing darkspawn at Ostagar which meant he encountered the ogres before. He has experience fighting them.

And you know this how?

Oh right, you dont. It's just an asumption. =/

The only warden recruit that has experience fighting the darkspawn is the dwarf noble and maybe the dalish elf., but even the human noble was taking out knights and battle his/her way through a horde of Howe's men. So I do not see the difference.

...after fighting rats, and after being asisted by their mabari, their mother, and the soliders scattered throughout the castle.