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[hex23]

This thread is honestly painful to read.

Amioran, just stop. I would say "while you're ahead", but you've been getting killed more or less since the first page. Just accept your loss and move on.

[Dan Dark]

This thread is still going?! Please... just stop. We 've tried logic and reason... it's obvious to me at this point the OP simply will not understand, or, perhaps more likely, is just looking for attention. So, may I suggest not giving him any? You've made your point, OP, we provided counter-points and attempts at compromise... and you ignored them. As such, there is no longer any point to the continuation of this thread; everyone, please stop posting, and allow this thread to die, as it should.

[XTR3M3]

Amioran wrote...
As for my game, the copy I have is not mine but of my little brother. I played that, but I don't own a copy myself. I usually never buy games for myself.

That statement just destroys your whole argument. BioWare doesn't care about your opinion at all. Why can I say that? Because companies like BioWare only care about consumers that actually purchase their products or might purchase their products in the future. You are neither.

Your statement above also reminds me of the excuses I used to see while on the anticheat team for Counterstrike Source when they disputed being banned....
"It was my brother"

I would have accused you of being a PR troll, but they actually make sense.

hex23 wrote...
This thread is honestly painful to read.

Amioran, just stop. I
would say "while you're ahead", but you've been getting killed more or
less since the first page. Just accept your loss and move on.

yep QFT again.

[Artemis_Entrari]

Amioran wrote...

The reality it is only that you, after what I replied, didn't know no more what to say, so the only thing left was to attack the only part of the reply you could attack, and in the process accuse me of "dismissing what you said".

After, when I made you notice this, you had only one way out. The typical "parrot it back".

And now, after some more posts, you have the perfect excuse: "I did it willingly" since somebody gave you the hint a moment ago.

Do you take me for an idiot?

But whatever, as you like.

Anyway my patience is at the limit right now, so it matters very little. Do and pretend what you prefer.

You complain that I only "attack" a small part of your post, while ignoring the rest, and so what do you end up doing?  Quoting and responding to a small part of my post, while ignoring the rest.

Also, you expect people to have proof of their opinion or theory they post about, otherwise you deem it incorrect or unsubstantiated.  Yet you never provide any actual proof yourself, just walls of text explaining your opinion on the matter.

Do you really not see the hypocrisy in what you type?

[jeweledleah]

this is relevant, I promise. I drew a portrait few days ago, on paper with pencils, so its not exactly easy to fix. I signed it, scanned it and uploaded it for people to view. i submitted it to several DA clubs I belong to and it was accepted.

I received criticism on it. constructive criticism, pointing out errors in proportions and how it could be corrected.

I guess if I had artistic integrity or whatever, I would just say "NO. its finished. I'm not fixing it. its my vision!" instead, I'm going to pick up my pencils and see if I can correct those proportions to the best of my ability (because its traditional art and pencils - I cannot just erase layers and do over, any corrections that are made, will have to be done through adding alone)

I guess that means I'm not an artist? oh wait. no, that just means i want my art to be the best i can make it.

making changes to software is a bit easier then making changes to the drawing that was done on paper with non erasable pencils. the fact that something was already shipped? is not a good enough excuse. especially when its common practice to add content to games via DLC, as well as correct gameplay, balance, etc - via patches.

the most recent correction I can think of... was World of Warcraft, Cataclysm, where the entire world was remade.

[crazyrabbits]

I see we've collectively humiliated Amioran once again. Never gets old. After all, this is the same nutbar who tried to argue that there is no such thing as objectively bad writing (ignoring tenets of writing that have been universally regarded by critics and general audiences as weak), and the same guy who tried to argue that weak literary concepts are bad writing if it's explained in future installments.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

[Pkxm]

http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.


not changing the ending. not releasing ending dlc. firm NO.

[Drake_Hound]

So basically the OP wants to discuss something ,without having paid for a product !
But is supporting Bioware with nothing ?

Gee right Bioware you can create new games on those people right ?
I mean don't forget give them survey to fill in , so atleast they can pay your product ....
Wait survey of those people are worth a lot , I mean surely lets give all homeless a survey .
And see which company want to buy those survey

LoL welldone OP you just became moot and worthless , money talks and this thread is awesome .
No wonder they want to move to Ipad market , he see that I have a Ipad

[Karimloo]

You want the reason?

Meet Benjamin.

[MrMcDoll]

I can't believe this sh*t is still going!
That Amioran guy is so unbelievably arrogant, there's really no point engaging him.
The only reason I kinda don't want the mods to close this thread is that it seems to be really stressing him out that he must prove his point so vehemently.

In any case, Amioran - you are wrong, whether you'll admit it or not - you have used ridiculous straw-man arguments from the get-go, and then use ad hom.. oh that's right, you assume if we use latin we just wikipedia'ed it, so:
You use personal attacks against people who disagree with you, so all credibility you could have garnered with intellectual debate is out the window.

I actually really do find this funny now and am torn between wanting you banned and wanting this to continue til you have a coronary from the stress.

Either that or just not giving a crap!
Since it ain't like I really care about the ducks I feed at the park - i guess the same applies to trolls right?

[JBONE27]

translationninja wrote...

Amioran wrote...

translationninja wrote...
The only problem I have is with people that think it is at their option to demand that other people don't get an option themselves.

And I already explained all about this perfectly. It is just you that don't care to read.

Those who like the ending don't get an option either just because the product it is as it is.

If Bioware ships the product and does nothing this doens't mean that they care more about those that like the ending, this is completely non sequitur and just how you like to see the thing, but IT MAKES NO SENSE.

I'm out of this "discussion". You make statements that prove again and again and again that you do not have the slightest clue about business or customer relations or how markets are developed. You just spew the same "oh hoshposh I have explained perfect but no one listens" bull**** over and over and over again.

So funny how it is always the people with the least bit of a clue of what they are talking about coming off as the most pompous...

I read on a bumper sticker once, "Those who know nothing about a topic speak the loudest about it."

[Cordoroy17]

its a condescend off !

quick get a thesaurus and a list of forum clichés ! specifically on mother references and allusions to being a teenager and hence invalid !

[Arik7]

Amioran wrote...
Some don't like the ending, some like it, some hate it, some love it. It doesn't matter where the majority stands, there are different opinions on the same, as it's perfectly fine this to happen.
 

Using the same logic, some don't like the fecal matter "art", some like it, some hate it, some love it. It doesn't matter where the majority stands, there are different opinions on the same, as it's perfectly fine this to happen.

It may be fine to have different opinions, but the overwhelming majority of the ME3 fans and casual players alike should be expressing their deep disappointment and asking BioWare to change it.

Since ME was designed as a "create your own sci-fi experience" AND there's no such thing as "cannon" in the Mass Effect Trilogy (according to the devs) AND fans are supposedly helping to make Mass Effect as much as the devs *again, according to the devs," it would be perfectly acceptable to release otpional content to completely replace the ending.   

Modifié par Arik7, 03 mai 2012 - 06:10 .

[Cordoroy17]

some people liked 'Beverly hills chihuahua' as well, I group pro-enders with these people....



though that movie had more plot cohesion than ME3

Modifié par Cordoroy17, 03 mai 2012 - 06:22 .

[Amioran]

Tirigon wrote...
You said that the high percentage means the poll is invalid, because aparently it doesnt fit your experiences.

Never said that. You want to re-read or make a course to address your lack of comprehension.

I said that context CAN change the percentuals in a vote, as it is proven in real life for canditates. Depending on the states (and of what "point of view" in general the state is) the context of the vote changes and so can change the result.

You want to learn to read what the other write before making a case against it without either comprehending that your "case" is inexistent to begin with.

You see, I've stopped being fine and good.

I detest mediocrity, and people that cannot read and comprehend neither basic concepts are mediocre, simple as that.

Modifié par Amioran, 03 mai 2012 - 08:23 .

[Amioran]

Dan Dark wrote...

This thread is still going?! Please... just stop. We 've tried logic and reason... it's obvious to me at this point the OP simply will not understand, or, perhaps more likely, is just looking for attention..

So, let me guess, I don't understand what it doesn't exist, right?

Half the points made here by those you like and consider that I should learn from HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG IN PRACTICE EVERY TIME (sometimes either after a single post). Do you understand this, do you not?


I can quote you seven.

1. The guy who said that people defend the things that gets attacked, proven wrong by one of his same friends, with a poll that proved exactly the contrary.

2. The guy who said that people would be perfectly happy with new endings just because YOU want them, it has been proven wrong by another thread here.

3. The guy who said that Bioware supports pro-enders just because they leave the ending as it is (and being already so as the product shipped). Proven wrong by the fact that every type of support (moral support, technical support, phisical support etc. etc.) requires an active action on the part of the supporter (you can read a vocabulary about that, or study a little of psychology).

4. The guy that provided a poll and insisted I was "changing" the same only because I said the context is different. Proven wrong by what it happens on canditates in real life (i.e. the context can change the percentual of votes).

5. The one that insist of talking of majority based on flawed evidence from the start (as if you would base an equation on a flawed parameter) and insisting that's so. Proven wrong by simple numbers (as copies sold and the numbers in his "evidence").

6. The guy that used Cartesio as a proof of something got proved wrong by the same words of Cartesio.

7. The guy that insisted I was dismissive when he couldn't either address what I really said to begin with and invented everything.

Certanly you are making a good job on winning this debate. If ever all people who lose debates would have a situation as this...

If this thread had an objective audicence "your" side would have had no chance at all. You would have made a so bad figure that all your credibility would have waned totally. And it's not me that says this, but the facts, as you can see above. I understand that you always deny also them, but that's another thing altogheter.

You are ridicolous and, I repeat, you have no diginity.

Check your facts and be objective if you can do that, next time.

Modifié par Amioran, 03 mai 2012 - 10:50 .

[Amioran]

MrMcDoll wrote...
In any case, Amioran - you are wrong, whether you'll admit it or not

No, I will not admit it simply because FACTS prove otherwise (you want to check them before making the figure of the idiot another time, as you already did at last twice).

Still using Cartesio as evidence of something without either understanding what he was writing?

If I was you I would have gone after that "litte" gaffe to hide in a bush to never return. What a figure of s**t, seriously. But naturally your "friends" here didn't either notice that. They are so stupid they can neither see obviety if it is not on their "part", so do you imagine if they can notice something that requires a bit of knowledge?

If we were in a literature forum and we would have made a discussion as that there you would have made a so s**tty figure that for the shame you would have had to quit, because nobody could ever take you seriously no more after that.

But hypotetical speach is futile. We are here and so you have still your dignity (and even more you have people that "quote you for truth", hironically enough) isn't it? Naturally not personal dignity, but who cares, the important thing is what others think about you (and the judgment of people here is sooo valid).

Modifié par Amioran, 03 mai 2012 - 09:10 .

[Amioran]

JBONE27 wrote...
I read on a bumper sticker once, "Those who know nothing about a topic speak the loudest about it."

LOL.

This is funny.

Do you understand that it is you "haters" that are doing that? Do you understand that you actually have said something against yourself with this sentence?

What an idiot, omg.

I'm only replying to a pre-existent argument, the "topic" (from the start) is not MINE, but yours, and I'm not surely speaking the loudest about it (as you can check yourself if you know how to do that).

OMG. LOL.

Modifié par Amioran, 03 mai 2012 - 08:45 .

[Amioran]

Cordoroy17 wrote...

its a condescend off !

quick get a thesaurus and a list of forum clichés ! specifically on mother references and allusions to being a teenager and hence invalid !

I am condescending, yes, now.

I started this thread because sometime ago in a thread here I had a discussion with a guy and he said to me that I should give you (in general, as people in this forum) a chance, because not everybody was like I said. After a bit of thought (because I always ponder, usually, on what the other say, no matter from what "part" he is, differently from you) I decided to try if it was the case and started this thread.

It was a torture. I had to fight with myself every single day just to have to debate with mediocrity, but I kept on, and for what? Only to see what I wrote not read at all, twisted, completely disregarded and either worse I had to listen to idiocies said by people that have no knowledge whatsoever in the same, having them proved wrong by facts at every turn and without either acknowledging it. People with no dignity, with no self-criticism at all that say me I make no sense, what a funny thing, isn't it?

It was not an error, but for another time it had let me see that you cannot turn a sheep into a lion, nor grow a brain in an aomeba.

So, yes, I am condescending, usually, just because you cannot do otherwise with people that insist to talk of things they know anything about pretending they should be taken as expert in the field. Read Nietzsche on why. I wasn't when I started the thread because I tried to put that away to have a meaningful debate (hoping for people to behave with a little more maturity), but it was futile, so why either care?

In the end:

"These are dead, these fellows; they feel not. We are not for the poor and sad: the lords of the earth are our kinsfolk."
"Is a God to live in a dog? No! but the highest are of us."
"We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world. "
"Ye are against the people, O my chosen! "

Have fun.

I've finished here.

Modifié par Amioran, 03 mai 2012 - 08:50 .

[Amioran]

hex23 wrote...
Amioran, just stop. I would say "while you're ahead", but you've been getting killed more or less since the first page. Just accept your loss and move on.

Objectivity FTW!

The only thing it remains to do for you, to complete the picture, is to join some skinhead movement and start pretending, as they do, that Hitler won the war and that the holocaust never existed to begin with.

You remind me of Gheddafi, that on Sirte, completely surrounded by NATO troups, started to say, pretending it was real: "you americans have clearly lost, can't you see it? The only thing you can do is to retire, just accept your loss and move on (ED: do you see some similarity?)". The day after all he had left was lost, and well, everybody knows the story.

Same exact thing. His most faithful group believed this blindly, no matter the fact of the NATO having surrounded them and taken Tripoli just the day before.

One thing is sure, you (in general) are funny, in the same sense as Gheddafi was... (hint, because elsewhere you wil probably not get it: inspiring piety).

Modifié par Amioran, 03 mai 2012 - 10:07 .

[translationninja]

Amioran wrote...

hex23 wrote...
Amioran, just stop. I would say "while you're ahead", but you've been getting killed more or less since the first page. Just accept your loss and move on.

Objectivity FTW!

The only thing it remains to do for you, to complete the picture, is to join some skinhead movement and start pretending, as they do, that Hitler won the war and that the holocaust never existed to begin with.

You remind me of Gheddafi, that on Sirte, completely sorrounded by NATO troups, started to say, pretending it was real: "you americans have clearly lost, can't you see it? The only thing you can do is to retire, just accept your loss and move on (ED: do you see some similarity?)". The day after all he had left was lost, and well, everybody knows the story.

Same exact thing. His most faithful group believed this blindly, no matter the fact of the NATO having sorrounded them and taken Tripoli just the day before.

One thing is sure, you (in general) are funny, in the same sense as Gheddafi was...

Hitler and skinheads and Ghaddafi all in one post about a video game.

Dude, you're insane, I mean really, you need help. I don't say that in the derogatory insult manner but in a manner of genuine concern for you. You should talk to someone.

30 pages of your deluded postulations. You use language that is mindblowing. Someone says "hey I'm out", you respond "see I prove...blahblah....evidence...blahblah....I'm right.

You have issues man, just go and talk to someone professional about it, it can really make your life a lot better.

[Amioran]

translationninja wrote...
Hitler and skinheads and Ghaddafi all in one post about a video game.

Never heard about the term "metaphor"?

translationninja wrote...
Dude, you're insane, I mean really, you need help. I don't say that in the derogatory insult manner but in a manner of genuine concern for you. You should talk to someone.

It can be. Still it's anyway much better than be as you are.

translationninja wrote...
30 pages of your deluded postulations. You use language that is mindblowing. Someone says "hey I'm out", you respond "see I prove...blahblah....evidence...blahblah....I'm right.

A thing is saying "I'm out" another completely different is saying "you should shut up because all you say makes no sense". I can understand that you would like them to be the same, but they are not.

translationninja wrote...
You have issues man, just go and talk to someone professional about it, it can really make your life a lot better.

Again, it can be, but you see, I tried to have a serious debate with people, only to have them twist all I said, never read anything at all of what I wrote (so that everytime I had to begin anew and then blaming me for that), insisting that what they said was right even in front of proven evidence of the contrary, complety disregarding some points and insist on others on a completely different context and so on.

All of this while people in the background insisted that I was the one that was stubborn, condescending and whatnot, and either that I should quit because I "lost". So, you see, becoming "insane" given this context it's to be expected.

I can be insane because I lost time with you (of this I am perfectly aware, btw) but as I explained there's a motive why I did this to begin with. However it is anyway much better than having no dignity as an human being.

Modifié par Amioran, 03 mai 2012 - 10:20 .

[AkiKishi]

Amioran wrote...
Again, it can be, but you see, I tried to have a serious debate with people, only to have them twist all I said, never read anything at all of what I wrote (so that everytime I had to begin anew and then blaming me for that), insisting that what they said was right even in front of proven evidence of the contrary, complety disregarding some points and insist on others on a completely different context and so on.

All of this while people in the background insisted that I was the one that was stubborn, condescending and whatnot, and either that I should quit because I "lost". So, you see, becoming "insane" given this context it's to be expected.

I can be insane because I lost time with you (of this I am perfectly aware, btw) but as I explained there's a motive why I did this to begin with. However it is anyway much better than having no dignity as an human being.

You wanted people to afirm your views and agree with you. Your like the one believer of intelligent design in Biology class.
When people don't agree with you you call their intelligence into question, you contradict yourself constantly and you bring no evidence of your own while ignoring that of others.