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[Obeded the 2nd]

Now I know there are hundreds of threads like this, but I'm going to write it anyway.

Destroy: This is the worst ending. I know alot of you IT people won't believe that but it's true, even if shep lives. I say this because this option is only thinking short-term, This means- congratulations you have killed the reapers, however you are not thinking far ahead. in lets say 50,000 years when the reapers should have returned galatic civilization would have rebuilt itself. Now this would not be on the scale of pre-relay destruction but technology would be very advanced. This bring us back to the creation of synthetics-it IS going to happen and they WILL kill all organics, This means that you are only delaying all organic death and without the reapers this will happen.

CONTROL: This is the middle ending. This is because galatic civilization will rebuild and as shown in the destory section. this also means synthetics will be creted again and rise against thier creators but this time the reapers are there to stop them. now here is where this may turn into a good or bad option, this means that the cycle may continue again, in other words reapers will kill all advanced life. The cycle repeats itself even though shep is in charge, s/he may see it as the only way to save organics such as the catalyst. Now you may say "wait a minute obeded, how is this better than destroy?" the answer to this is that in destroy all organics will die whereas organics live in control, however only the younger species. However this is the bad side to control depending on what shep was like. The good side to control is that shep somehow finds a way to stop this creator-created thing without wiping out advanced galatic civilizations, I don't know what this could be but maybe you could speculate.

Synthesis: This i the best ending. Now I know you are going to say" wait a second obeded, all things in the galaxy will turn into cyborgs so how can this be the best ending? also it makes no sense, so WTF?" I agree with the second part it needs more clarifing however the first part is just stupid to believe. Synthesis just makes organic and synthetics feel like the same. Thats not really the best way to word it however they will look out for each other and trust each other rather than ultimatly leading to the destruction of one another. Sorry if you still don't understand synthesis but this is not the point the point is that in destroy ALL organics will die off after a certain amount of time, in control at the very least it will save the younger species and just kill advanced ones or at most let civilization continue with the reapers having the major burden of trying to stop synthetics from getting out of control, in synthesis however galatic civilization will rebuild and synthetics will not kill all organics or pose a threat that could get out of hand.

In other words: Syntheis>control>destroy.

If you have any question please ask.

Also sorry if my english is bad, I hope it isn't hard to read because of it.

[Obeded the 2nd]

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[Firecell11]

if synthesis is the best ending why had you to stop saren in me1?

Modifié par Firecell11, 30 avril 2012 - 07:47 .

[ItsNotMyProblem]

Saren killed himself in ME1 for me.

[Samtheman63]

Why will synthetics kill organics when I made peace between the geth and quarians?

[_Heather_Shepard_]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Why will synthetics kill organics when I made peace between the geth and quarians?

Because it's art and art does not deserve to be questioned!

[Obeded the 2nd]

Firecell11 wrote...

if synthesis is the best ending why had you to stop saren in me1?

That's a question for the writers and thier poor writing, in other words I have no idea.

[Obeded the 2nd]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Why will synthetics kill organics when I made peace between the geth and quarians?

They may be at peace right now however there is a high chance that will change.

[Firecell11]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Firecell11 wrote...

if synthesis is the best ending why had you to stop saren in me1?

That's a question for the writers and thier poor writing, in other words I have no idea.

"poor writing" exactly

[Rockpopple]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Why will synthetics kill organics when I made peace between the geth and quarians?

To play devil's advocate: who's to say that peace would last?

And who's to say that someone else in the galaxy wouldn't develop synthetics that would eventually try to kill all organics?

What if the quarians and geth were the exception that proved the rule?

[NoUserNameHere]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Why will synthetics kill organics when I made peace between the geth and quarians?

They may be at peace right now however there is a high chance that will change.

The Catalyst's logic requries there to be far more than a rocky relationship between synthetics and organics.

It has to be them or us. The logic behind forging peace between geth and the quarians rebukes this... until the ending, where all robots must die, previous 20 hours be damned.

[Stygian1]

You do realize personalities are still existent in synthesis, and therefore conflict is still possible. There will still be wars--probably between people who like being cyborgs and people who don't like being cyborgs. Secondly, new pure synthetics can and will be made (it is an eventuality), and if the logic of the starchild holds true they'll kill off these awkward new cyborgs as quickly as they killed off true organics.

All synthesis does is rape the entire galaxy against their will, make millions of mini-reapers, and not solve any of the in-game problems or conflicts. At all.

There is nothing not to understand. Synthesis is objectively the wrong choice. 

Modifié par Stygian1, 30 avril 2012 - 07:54 .

[starscreamerx31]

Synthesis was dumb. If organics merged with synthetics then why was joker still limping in the end?

[Sisterofshane]

Ah, you drank the kool-aid.

Your entire premise for valuing the endings is that the Catalyst is correct in it's assumption that the organic-synthetic conflict will end with organic extinction (or even, that there is an inherent organic-synthetic conflict to begin with).

Personally, I like to think that the Catalyst created it's Reaper Solution with a false premise as it's basis.

[Elite Midget]

I politely disagree. I'm not God, I will not force my will down upon the unwilling just because the starchild demanded it.

[Firecell11]

imo there should be only 3 destroy endings
low EMS: same as in the game reapers/geth destroyed, earth burning,citadel and mass relays destoyed
mid EMS: reapers/geth destroyed, citadel and mass relays heavy damaged
hight EMS: reapers destoyed geth live citadel and mass relays no damage

or something like that..

edit: synthesis and control are dumb because this is against everything shepard was fighting for.

Modifié par Firecell11, 30 avril 2012 - 08:00 .

[frylock23]

Rockpopple wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Why will synthetics kill organics when I made peace between the geth and quarians?

To play devil's advocate: who's to say that peace would last?

And who's to say that someone else in the galaxy wouldn't develop synthetics that would eventually try to kill all organics?

What if the quarians and geth were the exception that proved the rule?

To play devil's advocate:

Who's to say that some organics won't try to kill all other organics?

It's really like saying we should kill all other races because just because we made peace with this or that ethnicity FOR NOW does not mean that it will last and that we won't eventually go to war with some other ethnicity tomorrow or next century.

In essence, we must choose synthesis because the only way to assure a lasting peace is to make sure that there is no difference and no possibility of difference so that there can be no misunderstanding and no conflict.

That is disgusting. And it's disgusting no matter which ending it's cloaked as and they all three offer separate colors of it. 

[Obeded the 2nd]

Stygian1 wrote...

You do realize personalities are still existent in synthesis, and therefore conflict is still possible. There will still be wars--probably between people who like being cyborgs and people who don't like being cyborgs. Secondly, new pure synthetics can and will be made (it is an eventuality), and if the logic of the starchild holds true they'll kill off these awkward new cyborgs as quickly as they killed off true organics.

All synthesis does is rape the entire galaxy against their will, make millions of mini-reapers, and not solve any of the in-game problems or conflicts. At all.

There is nothing not to understand. Synthesis is objectively the wrong choice. 

Incorrect, synthesis is th best choice.
You are correct in there will always be conflicts however the synthetics won't always band together and kill all organics.

[Obeded the 2nd]

Elite Midget wrote...

I politely disagree. I'm not God, I will not force my will down upon the unwilling just because the starchild demanded it.

He does not force you to this is why there are two other options.

[Sisterofshane]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

You do realize personalities are still existent in synthesis, and therefore conflict is still possible. There will still be wars--probably between people who like being cyborgs and people who don't like being cyborgs. Secondly, new pure synthetics can and will be made (it is an eventuality), and if the logic of the starchild holds true they'll kill off these awkward new cyborgs as quickly as they killed off true organics.

All synthesis does is rape the entire galaxy against their will, make millions of mini-reapers, and not solve any of the in-game problems or conflicts. At all.

There is nothing not to understand. Synthesis is objectively the wrong choice. 

Incorrect, synthesis is th best choice.
You are correct in there will always be conflicts however the synthetics won't always band together and kill all organics.

Ok, so now what we have is hybrids killing hybrids.

Some Brave New World we have here.

[Rockpopple]

frylock23 wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Why will synthetics kill organics when I made peace between the geth and quarians?

To play devil's advocate: who's to say that peace would last?

And who's to say that someone else in the galaxy wouldn't develop synthetics that would eventually try to kill all organics?

What if the quarians and geth were the exception that proved the rule?

To play devil's advocate:

Who's to say that some organics won't try to kill all other organics?

It's really like saying we should kill all other races because just because we made peace with this or that ethnicity FOR NOW does not mean that it will last and that we won't eventually go to war with some other ethnicity tomorrow or next century.

In essence, we must choose synthesis because the only way to assure a lasting peace is to make sure that there is no difference and no possibility of difference so that there can be no misunderstanding and no conflict.

That is disgusting. And it's disgusting no matter which ending it's cloaked as and they all three offer separate colors of it. 

I wasn't addressing the morality of Synthesis. I was addressing specifically the question of if Quarians and Geth made peace, then doesn't that invalidate the Catalyst's warnings of Synthetic/Organic war.

... And you weren't actually playing devil's advocate there. 

[Obeded the 2nd]

starscreamerx31 wrote...

Synthesis was dumb. If organics merged with synthetics then why was joker still limping in the end?

Agreed, however it is the best ending.

[Obeded the 2nd]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

You do realize personalities are still existent in synthesis, and therefore conflict is still possible. There will still be wars--probably between people who like being cyborgs and people who don't like being cyborgs. Secondly, new pure synthetics can and will be made (it is an eventuality), and if the logic of the starchild holds true they'll kill off these awkward new cyborgs as quickly as they killed off true organics.

All synthesis does is rape the entire galaxy against their will, make millions of mini-reapers, and not solve any of the in-game problems or conflicts. At all.

There is nothing not to understand. Synthesis is objectively the wrong choice. 

Incorrect, synthesis is th best choice.
You are correct in there will always be conflicts however the synthetics won't always band together and kill all organics.

Ok, so now what we have is hybrids killing hybrids.

Some Brave New World we have here.

The way to think of it is like the wars we have now organics vs organics.

Modifié par Obeded the 2nd, 30 avril 2012 - 08:04 .

[Stygian1]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

You do realize personalities are still existent in synthesis, and therefore conflict is still possible. There will still be wars--probably between people who like being cyborgs and people who don't like being cyborgs. Secondly, new pure synthetics can and will be made (it is an eventuality), and if the logic of the starchild holds true they'll kill off these awkward new cyborgs as quickly as they killed off true organics.

All synthesis does is rape the entire galaxy against their will, make millions of mini-reapers, and not solve any of the in-game problems or conflicts. At all.

There is nothing not to understand. Synthesis is objectively the wrong choice. 

Incorrect, synthesis is th best choice.
You are correct in there will always be conflicts however the synthetics won't always band together and kill all organics.

Great arguement.... the amount of information you have backing your premise is astounding. 

Ok, just tell me this. Why, in anyway, would these new pure synthetics (who will be made, and apperently will rebel) react any differently to their cyborg creators than they would have if they were organic? They would still rebel (using your logic) and they would still win (again, using yours and the starbrat's logic). 

Your logic is as faulty as synthesis is illogical. 

[Joukahainen]

Techincally you become a reaper. Reapers are partly synthetic and partly organic, right?

EDIT: Useless topic is useless ...

Modifié par Joukahainen, 30 avril 2012 - 08:06 .