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Just a point Id like to bring up. Shepard is partly synthetic but this does not really do much to effect Shepards view on synthetics vs organics one way or another. Its very unclear as to what synthesis actually does in terms of effecting how we think and feel mentally.

Its obvious its a good thing physically since Joker seems to have gotten over his bone disease, but theres nothing other then the catalyst word (which alone makes me not want to pick it) to suggest it would actually provide a solution to lets say (for example) Geth vs Qurians conflict. The Qurians attacked the geth because they were afraid of the possibility the geth could rise up against them, well the Geth simply just tried to defend their existance. It was not because organics just hated synthetics and the other way around.

Its been presents as a solution to this conflict because it makes us more "similar" but the only way I can see it actually removing the conflict altogether is by taking away free will and instead forcing us to think the same way.

Allan has said on these forums that regardless of whether or not synthetics and organics were at war, they eventually would end up fighting. This was a flawed way to look at it for me because how i personally see synthesis, I can just as much argue that over a long period of time, the Geth and the Qurians could still end up having a war regardless of what option i picked.

Another point that really bothers me is it been called the final solution or final evolution as if its the pinnacle of all life, the same thing we were told about the reapers which basically just turned out to be giant husks that all look the same and are been controlled, the same guy is telling us that synthesis is now the height of our evolution, that.... concerns me quite a bit. Besides isnt one of the defining features of life and chaos that its always changing and evolving? It brings me back to the point of free will, if you make something perfect it cannot grow or learn from its mistakes. If its already perfect then couldnt you argue it becomes static? Its incapable of growth, may as well be a husk anyways.

Theres alot of beauty to be found in making a mistake and learning from it. Tali realizing the Geth (legion in particular) are basically alive and Mordin saying "I made a mistake!" in regards to the genophage, something he sincerly thought was for the best of all life, are character defining moments.

I may make many mistakes as a human, but those mistakes I can take and use to grow and become a better person. Synthesis takes away from the journey because it simply wants to jump everyone to the end and ignore why been flawed can be a good thing too and what perfection even really means (or if there is such a thing)

No offense OP but I dont think this is an issue of it not been presented well or been explained well enough, but rather with the arguable idea of synthesis itself and what it actually means for our future.


No I think that synthesis leads to a better future It' sort of clear from what you pick up in the game.


How is it a better future though? It does not remove conflict, it does not address if it effects our free will at all and its coming from the same guy who believed the reapers were the height of evolution who admitted he was in control.

Seems like its a better future for the catalyst but at best leaves organics mindless husks.


As seen from the end of the normandy they are not mindless husks they have thier own inteligence still.
 
Also nothing will ever remove conflict apart from everyone/thing dying.

This also does not affect free will as it only mixes them, I agree this was against thier will but they can change after it.


If it does not remove conflict then i see no point to the reapers existence to begin with. Wasnt his (the catalyst) whole purpose to preserve life and wasnt the reapers his way of doing that. Is it really so important if life is been wiped out by synthetics compared to been wiped out by other life?


The reapers stopped al organics from being wiped out, synthetics would doom all organics.


The geth could still wipe everyone else out though, so what difference would it make?

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synthesis is the final evolution of life
let everything shine green in dark:alien::sick:

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


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I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.Posted Image[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

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No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.Posted Image[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

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It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


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No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

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Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorryPosted Image.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

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There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs?:huh: man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

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No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefullyPosted Image

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Synthesis: This i the best ending. Now I know you are going to say" wait a second obeded, all things in the galaxy will turn into cyborgs so how can this be the best ending? also it makes no sense, so WTF?" I agree with the second part it needs more clarifing however the first part is just stupid to believe. Synthesis just makes organic and synthetics feel like the same. Thats not really the best way to word it however they will look out for each other and trust each other rather than ultimatly leading to the destruction of one another. Sorry if you still don't understand synthesis but this is not the point the point is that in destroy ALL organics will die off after a certain amount of time, in control at the very least it will save the younger species and just kill advanced ones or at most let civilization continue with the reapers having the major burden of trying to stop synthetics from getting out of control, in synthesis however galatic civilization will rebuild and synthetics will not kill all organics or pose a threat that could get out of hand.






You made it sound so simple and stupid I don't think you fully understand the implications of Synthesis.








Synthesis just makes organic and synthetics feel like the same. Thats not really the best way to word it however they will look out for each other and trust each other rather than ultimatly leading to the destruction of one another. Sorry if you still don't understand synthesis.


I don't think you understand it, you think you understand it but you don't.
In fact sole Synthetics  don't even exist as they have Organic material that forms them too.
Everyone is in the same boat and the galaxy is doomed to stalemate with nothing happening and no diversity.
It would be the same as making everyone in Dragon Age a tranquil.


Incorrect, you mixed synthetics and organics not every species in the galaxy



What?
You mixed all life in the galaxy with synthetics, it shows you this in the end.
ALL THE PLANTS ARE PARTLY SYNTHETIC
See I knew you didn't understand it fully


Yes you mixed the living with synthetic not all life.
I think you don't understand the ending.
On another note I may be wrong since bioware did a poor job of explaining it however I don't think your correct.


Ok, im sorry but you don't understand.
You mixed the living (organics) with synthetics.
All life in the galaxy is either organic and synthetic.
You DO mix all life.

And you said earlier that synthesis is the "best" ending. But that is your opinion. There is no "best" ending between the endings as all 3 endings have the own pros and cons. There is no "right" answer, its up to what you think is right. And I think synthesis is very wrong....


No synthesis shows best possible future=best option.
Agreed this is just my opinion but all signs in game point to this being the best option.

Also this synthesis thing is just confusing so whatever all life is mixed or whatever that guy saidPosted Image


None of the endings show the "future" of what happens beyond the normandy crash, therefore you have NO PROOF that the synthesis choice has the best future and is the best option.

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Just a point Id like to bring up. Shepard is partly synthetic but this does not really do much to effect Shepards view on synthetics vs organics one way or another. Its very unclear as to what synthesis actually does in terms of effecting how we think and feel mentally.

Its obvious its a good thing physically since Joker seems to have gotten over his bone disease, but theres nothing other then the catalyst word (which alone makes me not want to pick it) to suggest it would actually provide a solution to lets say (for example) Geth vs Qurians conflict. The Qurians attacked the geth because they were afraid of the possibility the geth could rise up against them, well the Geth simply just tried to defend their existance. It was not because organics just hated synthetics and the other way around.

Its been presents as a solution to this conflict because it makes us more "similar" but the only way I can see it actually removing the conflict altogether is by taking away free will and instead forcing us to think the same way.

Allan has said on these forums that regardless of whether or not synthetics and organics were at war, they eventually would end up fighting. This was a flawed way to look at it for me because how i personally see synthesis, I can just as much argue that over a long period of time, the Geth and the Qurians could still end up having a war regardless of what option i picked.

Another point that really bothers me is it been called the final solution or final evolution as if its the pinnacle of all life, the same thing we were told about the reapers which basically just turned out to be giant husks that all look the same and are been controlled, the same guy is telling us that synthesis is now the height of our evolution, that.... concerns me quite a bit. Besides isnt one of the defining features of life and chaos that its always changing and evolving? It brings me back to the point of free will, if you make something perfect it cannot grow or learn from its mistakes. If its already perfect then couldnt you argue it becomes static? Its incapable of growth, may as well be a husk anyways.

Theres alot of beauty to be found in making a mistake and learning from it. Tali realizing the Geth (legion in particular) are basically alive and Mordin saying "I made a mistake!" in regards to the genophage, something he sincerly thought was for the best of all life, are character defining moments.

I may make many mistakes as a human, but those mistakes I can take and use to grow and become a better person. Synthesis takes away from the journey because it simply wants to jump everyone to the end and ignore why been flawed can be a good thing too and what perfection even really means (or if there is such a thing)

No offense OP but I dont think this is an issue of it not been presented well or been explained well enough, but rather with the arguable idea of synthesis itself and what it actually means for our future.


No I think that synthesis leads to a better future It' sort of clear from what you pick up in the game.


How is it a better future though? It does not remove conflict, it does not address if it effects our free will at all and its coming from the same guy who believed the reapers were the height of evolution who admitted he was in control.

Seems like its a better future for the catalyst but at best leaves organics mindless husks.


As seen from the end of the normandy they are not mindless husks they have thier own inteligence still.
 
Also nothing will ever remove conflict apart from everyone/thing dying.

This also does not affect free will as it only mixes them, I agree this was against thier will but they can change after it.


If it does not remove conflict then i see no point to the reapers existence to begin with. Wasnt his (the catalyst) whole purpose to preserve life and wasnt the reapers his way of doing that. Is it really so important if life is been wiped out by synthetics compared to been wiped out by other life?


The reapers stopped al organics from being wiped out, synthetics would doom all organics.


The geth could still wipe everyone else out though, so what difference would it make?


That non advanced civilizations aren't wiped out because the geth would just go around killing everyone.

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


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I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.Posted Image[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

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No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.Posted Image[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

[/quote]

It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


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No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

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Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorryPosted Image.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

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There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs?:huh: man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

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No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefullyPosted Image[/quote]

/facepalm

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Synthesis: This i the best ending. Now I know you are going to say" wait a second obeded, all things in the galaxy will turn into cyborgs so how can this be the best ending? also it makes no sense, so WTF?" I agree with the second part it needs more clarifing however the first part is just stupid to believe. Synthesis just makes organic and synthetics feel like the same. Thats not really the best way to word it however they will look out for each other and trust each other rather than ultimatly leading to the destruction of one another. Sorry if you still don't understand synthesis but this is not the point the point is that in destroy ALL organics will die off after a certain amount of time, in control at the very least it will save the younger species and just kill advanced ones or at most let civilization continue with the reapers having the major burden of trying to stop synthetics from getting out of control, in synthesis however galatic civilization will rebuild and synthetics will not kill all organics or pose a threat that could get out of hand.






You made it sound so simple and stupid I don't think you fully understand the implications of Synthesis.









Synthesis just makes organic and synthetics feel like the same. Thats not really the best way to word it however they will look out for each other and trust each other rather than ultimatly leading to the destruction of one another. Sorry if you still don't understand synthesis.


I don't think you understand it, you think you understand it but you don't.
In fact sole Synthetics  don't even exist as they have Organic material that forms them too.
Everyone is in the same boat and the galaxy is doomed to stalemate with nothing happening and no diversity.
It would be the same as making everyone in Dragon Age a tranquil.


Incorrect, you mixed synthetics and organics not every species in the galaxy



What?
You mixed all life in the galaxy with synthetics, it shows you this in the end.
ALL THE PLANTS ARE PARTLY SYNTHETIC
See I knew you didn't understand it fully


Yes you mixed the living with synthetic not all life.
I think you don't understand the ending.
On another note I may be wrong since bioware did a poor job of explaining it however I don't think your correct.


Ok, im sorry but you don't understand.
You mixed the living (organics) with synthetics.
All life in the galaxy is either organic and synthetic.
You DO mix all life.

And you said earlier that synthesis is the "best" ending. But that is your opinion. There is no "best" ending between the endings as all 3 endings have the own pros and cons. There is no "right" answer, its up to what you think is right. And I think synthesis is very wrong....


No synthesis shows best possible future=best option.
Agreed this is just my opinion but all signs in game point to this being the best option.

Also this synthesis thing is just confusing so whatever all life is mixed or whatever that guy saidPosted Image


None of the endings show the "future" of what happens beyond the normandy crash, therefore you have NO PROOF that the synthesis choice has the best future and is the best option.


No, but from evidence gathered ingame this is the only logiccal explanation.

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


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I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.Posted Image[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

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No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.Posted Image[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

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It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


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No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

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Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorryPosted Image.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

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There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs?:huh: man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

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No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefullyPosted Image[/quote]

You have an interesting way of viewing synthesis, I can see why you like it though i dont agree that this makes the situation any better in the long run still.

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


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I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.Posted Image[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

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No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.Posted Image[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

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It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


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No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

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Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorryPosted Image.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

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There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs?:huh: man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

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No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefullyPosted Image[/quote]

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Help if I knew why your were injuring yourself for no reason other than seeing stupidity in other which is not thee.

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


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I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.Posted Image[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

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No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.Posted Image[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

[/quote]

It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


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No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

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Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorryPosted Image.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

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There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs?:huh: man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

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No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefullyPosted Image[/quote]

You have an interesting way of viewing synthesis, I can see why you like it though i dont agree that this makes the situation any better in the long run still.

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It is not the best soultion ever but it is logical to think it is the best ending out of the three given to you.

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Obeded the 2nd wrote...

The reapers stopped al organics from being wiped out, synthetics would doom all organics.


Nope, that's an assumption, there's no proof.

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Synthesis: Rape every person in the galaxy, forcing homogenization and betraying the ideas of unity despite diversity laid out in the series.

Control: Accept TIMs ideas as right despite shooting him a few seconds before. Betray the idea of self-determination and choice laid out in the series.

Destroy: Do what I set out to do from day 1 in this damn series. Accept the loss of EDI and Geth with some tears.

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


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I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.Posted Image[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

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No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.Posted Image[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

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It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


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No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

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Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorryPosted Image.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

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There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs?:huh: man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

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No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefullyPosted Image[/quote]

/facepalm

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Help if I knew why your were injuring yourself for no reason other than seeing stupidity in other which is not thee.[/quote]

synthesis creates "creatures" like reapers partly synthetic partly organic. Why would the catalyst who controls the reapers give you this option? simple answer: synthesis= creates something like the reapers=reapers/catalyst win

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I would rather go with control than with this synthesis nonsense

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richard_rider wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

The reapers stopped al organics from being wiped out, synthetics would doom all organics.


Nope, that's an assumption, there's no proof.


Sarkid is proof

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The quote pyramids......

To me, it's simple: Anything that sounds like a good idea to the Catalyst is a bad idea to me. He admits to controlling the Reapers? Then I don't wanna do anything that protects that asset of his.

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Firecell11 wrote...

I would rather go with control than with this synthesis nonsense


Why?

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CuseGirl wrote...

The quote pyramids......

To me, it's simple: Anything that sounds like a good idea to the Catalyst is a bad idea to me. He admits to controlling the Reapers? Then I don't wanna do anything that protects that asset of his.


True him being placed as the protagainst in the final moments is jarring to say the elast.

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Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Firecell11 wrote...

I would rather go with control than with this synthesis nonsense


Why?


because control makes more sense to me although it is a stupid idea too<_<

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


[/quote]

I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.Posted Image[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

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No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.Posted Image[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

[/quote]

It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


[/quote]

No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

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Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorryPosted Image.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

[/quote]

There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs?:huh: man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

[/quote]

No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefullyPosted Image[/quote]

/facepalm

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Help if I knew why your were injuring yourself for no reason other than seeing stupidity in other which is not thee.[/quote]

synthesis creates "creatures" like reapers partly synthetic partly organic. Why would the catalyst who controls the reapers give you this option? simple answer: synthesis= creates something like the reapers=reapers/catalyst win

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No it just prevents future conflicts that will wipe out organics.

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Firecell11 wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Firecell11 wrote...

I would rather go with control than with this synthesis nonsense


Why?


because control makes more sense to me although it is a stupid idea too<_<


I agree they are badly explained I don't see why that would affect you choice though, well i sort of do but not fully.

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Obeded the 2nd wrote...

BABEik52092 wrote...


None of the endings show the "future" of what happens beyond the normandy crash, therefore you have NO PROOF that the synthesis choice has the best future and is the best option.


No, but from evidence gathered ingame this is the only logiccal explanation.


If by "evidence" you mean that Starchild says its the "final evolution of life" and that its his ultimate goal, thats great for him. But the "final evolution of life" doesn't mean the best future. There is little other evidence to show that synthesis is the "best or most logical" choice.

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Apathy1989 wrote...

Synthesis: Rape every person in the galaxy, forcing homogenization and betraying the ideas of unity despite diversity laid out in the series.

Control: Accept TIMs ideas as right despite shooting him a few seconds before. Betray the idea of self-determination and choice laid out in the series.

Destroy: Do what I set out to do from day 1 in this damn series. Accept the loss of EDI and Geth with some tears.


The situation changed with the reason for the reapers being revealed.