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[Isichar]

@ OP since our chain has become absurdly long.

I will always pick destroy since its the one option that lets me do what I set out to do right from the start, destroy the reapers (even as a paragon)
It will let us choose our futures which is what was important to me to begin with. This is why i actually felt the relays had to be destroyed because they were a future giving to us, not earned. If we do fall into the cycle again then you can argue we earned that for been shortsighted, but i think its entirely possible to break free from our likely outcome. Even if a cycle repeats over and over there will always be something that makes that cycle unique and always the possibility that it is possible to change it on our own. And more importantly that we choose to change, not have to forced.

The only real downside is wiping out the geth who like me, talked about building a future without submitting to the reapers will.

The reapers cycle worked for god knows how long, it was incredibly effective but even that eventually had to end. There is no definite future, even with synthesis the future will always be unknown and most likely filled with war and death, that's just a part of life, it does not mean it has to be what defines us though.

Anyways im not entirely sure if theres really much more i can say on the issue. I cant ever see myself picking synthesis regardless of the type of character I play but I enjoy hearing the views others had on it.

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[Firecell11]

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


[/quote]

I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

[/quote]

No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

[/quote]

It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


[/quote]

No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

[/quote]

Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorry.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

[/quote]

There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs? man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

[/quote]

No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefully[/quote]

/facepalm

[/quote]

Help if I knew why your were injuring yourself for no reason other than seeing stupidity in other which is not thee.[/quote]

synthesis creates "creatures" like reapers partly synthetic partly organic. Why would the catalyst who controls the reapers give you this option? simple answer: synthesis= creates something like the reapers=reapers/catalyst win

[/quote]

No it just prevents future conflicts that will wipe out organics.[/quote]

yes because there are no more organics but it won't stop other species wiping out other species because they are still them only half synthetic if you understand what I mean

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None of the endings show the "future" of what happens beyond the normandy crash, therefore you have NO PROOF that the synthesis choice has the best future and is the best option.

No, but from evidence gathered ingame this is the only logiccal explanation.

If by "evidence" you mean that Starchild says its the "final evolution of life" and that its his ultimate goal, thats great for him. But the "final evolution of life" doesn't mean the best future. There is little other evidence to show that synthesis is the "best or most logical" choice.

No, imean destroy dooms the glaxy and control ether lets the cycle be continued or the galaxy can be doomed and the reapers have a tough task ahead of them, see OP for futher info if you haven't already,

[Isichar]

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


[/quote]

I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

[/quote]

No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

[/quote]

It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


[/quote]

No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

[/quote]

Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorry.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

[/quote]

There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs? man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

[/quote]

No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefully[/quote]

/facepalm

[/quote]

Help if I knew why your were injuring yourself for no reason other than seeing stupidity in other which is not thee.[/quote]

synthesis creates "creatures" like reapers partly synthetic partly organic. Why would the catalyst who controls the reapers give you this option? simple answer: synthesis= creates something like the reapers=reapers/catalyst win

[/quote]

No it just prevents future conflicts that will wipe out organics.[/quote]

yes because there are no more organics but it won't stop other species wiping out other species because they are still them only half synthetic if you understand what I mean

[/quote]

Your completely and utterly convinced the catalyst is 100% correct in everything he says huh?

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


[/quote]

I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

[/quote]

No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

[/quote]

It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


[/quote]

No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

[/quote]

Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorry.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

[/quote]

There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs? man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

[/quote]

No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefully[/quote]

/facepalm

[/quote]

Help if I knew why your were injuring yourself for no reason other than seeing stupidity in other which is not thee.[/quote]

synthesis creates "creatures" like reapers partly synthetic partly organic. Why would the catalyst who controls the reapers give you this option? simple answer: synthesis= creates something like the reapers=reapers/catalyst win

[/quote]

No it just prevents future conflicts that will wipe out organics.[/quote]

yes because there are no more organics but it won't stop other species wiping out other species because they are still them only half synthetic if you understand what I mean

[/quote]

Yeah but thats just sort of stupid.

[NexusIsaac]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Why will synthetics kill organics when I made peace between the geth and quarians?

Because it's a badly explained thing called technological singularity. AKA when the technology is more advanced than organic life.
It falls, because you've never heard it before.

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


[/quote]

I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

[/quote]

No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

[/quote]

It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


[/quote]

No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

[/quote]

Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorry.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

[/quote]

There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs? man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

[/quote]

No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefully[/quote]

/facepalm

[/quote]

Help if I knew why your were injuring yourself for no reason other than seeing stupidity in other which is not thee.[/quote]

synthesis creates "creatures" like reapers partly synthetic partly organic. Why would the catalyst who controls the reapers give you this option? simple answer: synthesis= creates something like the reapers=reapers/catalyst win

[/quote]

No it just prevents future conflicts that will wipe out organics.[/quote]

yes because there are no more organics but it won't stop other species wiping out other species because they are still them only half synthetic if you understand what I mean

[/quote]

Your completely and utterly convinced the catalyst is 100% correct in everything he says huh?

[/quote]

Well yes as there is no ingame evidence to suggest otherise.
If this was biowares original intention they should have made it more clear, like a lot of other things.

[Isichar]

NexusIsaac wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Why will synthetics kill organics when I made peace between the geth and quarians?

Because it's a badly explained thing called technological singularity. AKA when the technology is more advanced than organic life.
It falls, because you've never heard it before.

Its called a theory, its not a fact and the moment it does become a fact is when WE ALL ARE DEAD

[Ultra Prism]

this guy point is only valid because how EMS unlocks the endings ... first destroy then control then synthesis ....


the problem still is ... endings are still too ambigious

[The Edge]

You would have to neglect Shephard's past experiences in order to come to this conclusion, OP.

(IMO) If I am to understand correctly, Saren wanted a synthesis-like solution; he turned out to be indoctrinated. TIM wanted the control-like solution; he turned out to be indoctrinated.

Shephard has been working the entire time to destroy the Reapers, but at the very end (by your definition) his goal was in fact "wrong" the whole time? That approach, I admit, is a great twist that would work in a properly made novel. For a game with CHOICE as it's headline to pull the carpet out from under the player is not clever, it's just cruel.

I picked Synthesis the first time, but after rethinking that choice, I went with the Destroy ending because it sticks to Shepard's guns and rejects the antagonistic notions of the first two games. At the end of the day, however, the endings at face value are all crappy. (/IMO)

[Isichar]

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


[/quote]

I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

[/quote]

No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

[/quote]

It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


[/quote]

No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

[/quote]

Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorry.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

[/quote]

There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs? man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

[/quote]

No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefully[/quote]

/facepalm

[/quote]

Help if I knew why your were injuring yourself for no reason other than seeing stupidity in other which is not thee.[/quote]

synthesis creates "creatures" like reapers partly synthetic partly organic. Why would the catalyst who controls the reapers give you this option? simple answer: synthesis= creates something like the reapers=reapers/catalyst win

[/quote]

No it just prevents future conflicts that will wipe out organics.[/quote]

yes because there are no more organics but it won't stop other species wiping out other species because they are still them only half synthetic if you understand what I mean

[/quote]

Your completely and utterly convinced the catalyst is 100% correct in everything he says huh?

[/quote]

Well yes as there is no ingame evidence to suggest otherise.
If this was biowares original intention they should have made it more clear, like a lot of other things.[/quote]

Actually theres A LOT ingame to suggest otherwise.

Its so easily arguable that its funny.

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Isichar wrote...

@ OP since our chain has become absurdly long.

I will always pick destroy since its the one option that lets me do what I set out to do right from the start, destroy the reapers (even as a paragon)
It will let us choose our futures which is what was important to me to begin with. This is why i actually felt the relays had to be destroyed because they were a future giving to us, not earned. If we do fall into the cycle again then you can argue we earned that for been shortsighted, but i think its entirely possible to break free from our likely outcome. Even if a cycle repeats over and over there will always be something that makes that cycle unique and always the possibility that it is possible to change it on our own. And more importantly that we choose to change, not have to forced.

The only real downside is wiping out the geth who like me, talked about building a future without submitting to the reapers will.

The reapers cycle worked for god knows how long, it was incredibly effective but even that eventually had to end. There is no definite future, even with synthesis the future will always be unknown and most likely filled with war and death, that's just a part of life, it does not mean it has to be what defines us though.

Anyways im not entirely sure if theres really much more i can say on the issue. I cant ever see myself picking synthesis regardless of the type of character I play but I enjoy hearing the views others had on it.

I understand your point.

[Isichar]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Isichar wrote...

@ OP since our chain has become absurdly long.

I will always pick destroy since its the one option that lets me do what I set out to do right from the start, destroy the reapers (even as a paragon)
It will let us choose our futures which is what was important to me to begin with. This is why i actually felt the relays had to be destroyed because they were a future giving to us, not earned. If we do fall into the cycle again then you can argue we earned that for been shortsighted, but i think its entirely possible to break free from our likely outcome. Even if a cycle repeats over and over there will always be something that makes that cycle unique and always the possibility that it is possible to change it on our own. And more importantly that we choose to change, not have to forced.

The only real downside is wiping out the geth who like me, talked about building a future without submitting to the reapers will.

The reapers cycle worked for god knows how long, it was incredibly effective but even that eventually had to end. There is no definite future, even with synthesis the future will always be unknown and most likely filled with war and death, that's just a part of life, it does not mean it has to be what defines us though.

Anyways im not entirely sure if theres really much more i can say on the issue. I cant ever see myself picking synthesis regardless of the type of character I play but I enjoy hearing the views others had on it.

I understand your point.

Yeah just so you know... I do respect what your saying, even if I dont agree

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Isichar
Sorry but the qoute thing is to long so this will be a new one.
If you could show me some evidence I would be grateful

[Firecell11]

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


[/quote]

I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

[/quote]

No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

[/quote]

It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


[/quote]

No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

[/quote]

Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorry.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

[/quote]

There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs? man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

[/quote]

No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefully[/quote]

/facepalm

[/quote]

Help if I knew why your were injuring yourself for no reason other than seeing stupidity in other which is not thee.[/quote]

synthesis creates "creatures" like reapers partly synthetic partly organic. Why would the catalyst who controls the reapers give you this option? simple answer: synthesis= creates something like the reapers=reapers/catalyst win

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No it just prevents future conflicts that will wipe out organics.[/quote]

yes because there are no more organics but it won't stop other species wiping out other species because they are still them only half synthetic if you understand what I mean

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exactly
no other ending will stop people from creating new synthetics

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Isichar wrote...

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Isichar wrote...

@ OP since our chain has become absurdly long.

I will always pick destroy since its the one option that lets me do what I set out to do right from the start, destroy the reapers (even as a paragon)
It will let us choose our futures which is what was important to me to begin with. This is why i actually felt the relays had to be destroyed because they were a future giving to us, not earned. If we do fall into the cycle again then you can argue we earned that for been shortsighted, but i think its entirely possible to break free from our likely outcome. Even if a cycle repeats over and over there will always be something that makes that cycle unique and always the possibility that it is possible to change it on our own. And more importantly that we choose to change, not have to forced.

The only real downside is wiping out the geth who like me, talked about building a future without submitting to the reapers will.

The reapers cycle worked for god knows how long, it was incredibly effective but even that eventually had to end. There is no definite future, even with synthesis the future will always be unknown and most likely filled with war and death, that's just a part of life, it does not mean it has to be what defines us though.

Anyways im not entirely sure if theres really much more i can say on the issue. I cant ever see myself picking synthesis regardless of the type of character I play but I enjoy hearing the views others had on it.

I understand your point.

Yeah just so you know... I do respect what your saying, even if I dont agree

Yeah I guess I respect what your saying to and I also agree with you but I also disagree with you, if that makes any sense.

[frylock23]

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The star kid has seen it happen so many times he knows it is a pattern and therefore this is the soultion.
Trusting him is a problem with bioware and them not including that option

No, it's not BioWare's problem. The StarBrat by story design is the Reaper's Master, and agent of the Reapers. All they do, they do because he orders it. The cycle? It exists because he orders it. He proudly admits it to you.

The only way anyone can know if what he fears (tech singularity) will inevitably occur is if it has happened, and not happened just once, but more than once, enough to create a pattern. However, we know that Star Kid has controlled the cycle and thus, conveniently prevented this inevitability for an unknown and incomprehensible number of years.

How does this give him any credibility on the subject of tech singularity? It's all rather easy to do something and then claim that you prevented something worse. Yes, the recession was bad, but if we hadn't spent the country into 5 trillion more dollars of debt, it would have been worse. There's just no way to know that because we can't see what would have happened. Yes, this cycle of Reaping is bad, but if we don't systematically wipe out all advanced organic races every 50,000 years the tech singularity will happen and all organic life will be destroyed. There's just no way to know because we can't see what would have happened. And Star Kid can't either because whatever might have happened, he stopped it.

And then, to fix the problem, he offers you a solution that does what he claims the tech singularity will inevitably do - wipe out all organic life. Offer me some proof that the Star Kid isn't the tech singularity and he hasn't just decided upon you reaching the Citadel that you haven't become more trouble than you're worth.

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No by your logic smart must be dumb, I mean all life is diffrent after this event  but still the same if you get what I mean, you more than likly don't.[/quote]

I.. what...how....wahhhhh?

You compare to opposites of the scale.
Life and living aren't two opposites.
Life and Death are opposite, non-living and living are opposite's.


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I'm sorry my aggreesion can get the better of me and make me say stupid things.[/quote]

I take it you still don't understand that all life has been changed.

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No, I agree all life has been changed just not in the way your thinking of.[/quote]

what are you thinking how synthesis changed life then?

still can create synthetics
still have conflicts/war
so it doesnt really help

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It made synthetics and organis similar-same however organics wouldn't be changed from each other.[/quote]

so if I understand correct you saying is
humans are still humans(same for other alien species) but now they are more similar to other species because they are parthly synthetic?


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No, well sort of but I mean they are more similar to synthetics rather than other species.[/quote]

ok so for example humans are now more similar to synthetics than to asari and so are the asari more similar to synthetics then to humans
alright but if synthesis combines all synthetic and organic life into a new DNA why aren't there only one species LIKE the reapers who are half synthetic and half organic? (atleast thats what I thought what would happen when I first heard about synthesis:huh:)

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Yes that example is correct but they are diffrent from reapers who are all the same because they were created diffrently.
This means organics were created as organics and synthetics were created as synthetis and have just been altere slightly to bring them closer but are still diffrent.
I doubt you will understand my gibberish but I can't explain it another way, sorry.[/quote]

I understand you but the problem with this is all other species are still alive but now half synthetic so synthesis won't stop from conflicts/war also the catalyst doesn't say that there will be peace after shepard asks him.

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There is no way to stop war apart from killing everyone and everything it just stops organics from being killed b synthetics .[/quote]

oh ok but now cyborgs will kill cyborgs? man synthesis makes no sense don't you understand??

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No,No, i mean all organics being wiped out by synthetics.
Synthesis makes war still happen but no-one will be wiped out, hopefully[/quote]

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Help if I knew why your were injuring yourself for no reason other than seeing stupidity in other which is not thee.[/quote]

synthesis creates "creatures" like reapers partly synthetic partly organic. Why would the catalyst who controls the reapers give you this option? simple answer: synthesis= creates something like the reapers=reapers/catalyst win

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No it just prevents future conflicts that will wipe out organics.[/quote]

yes because there are no more organics but it won't stop other species wiping out other species because they are still them only half synthetic if you understand what I mean

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exactly
no other ending will stop people from creating new synthetics

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Yeah but I guess they have diffrent ways of fdevoloping so there not like before if you get what I mean.

[Obeded the 2nd]

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You would have to neglect Shephard's past experiences in order to come to this conclusion, OP.

(IMO) If I am to understand correctly, Saren wanted a synthesis-like solution; he turned out to be indoctrinated. TIM wanted the control-like solution; he turned out to be indoctrinated.

Shephard has been working the entire time to destroy the Reapers, but at the very end (by your definition) his goal was in fact "wrong" the whole time? That approach, I admit, is a great twist that would work in a properly made novel. For a game with CHOICE as it's headline to pull the carpet out from under the player is not clever, it's just cruel.

I picked Synthesis the first time, but after rethinking that choice, I went with the Destroy ending because it sticks to Shepard's guns and rejects the antagonistic notions of the first two games. At the end of the day, however, the endings at face value are all crappy. (/IMO)

No sheps goal was correct but the situation changed after learnign the reapers true reason for well, reaping.

[Firecell11]

"Yeah but I guess they have diffrent ways of fdevoloping so there not like before if you get what I mean."

well maybe they learned something from quarians and geth conflict

Modifié par Firecell11, 30 avril 2012 - 10:41 .

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this guy point is only valid because how EMS unlocks the endings ... first destroy then control then synthesis ....


the problem still is ... endings are still too ambigious

Did you read the OP?

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The star kid has seen it happen so many times he knows it is a pattern and therefore this is the soultion.
Trusting him is a problem with bioware and them not including that option

No, it's not BioWare's problem. The StarBrat by story design is the Reaper's Master, and agent of the Reapers. All they do, they do because he orders it. The cycle? It exists because he orders it. He proudly admits it to you.

The only way anyone can know if what he fears (tech singularity) will inevitably occur is if it has happened, and not happened just once, but more than once, enough to create a pattern. However, we know that Star Kid has controlled the cycle and thus, conveniently prevented this inevitability for an unknown and incomprehensible number of years.

How does this give him any credibility on the subject of tech singularity? It's all rather easy to do something and then claim that you prevented something worse. Yes, the recession was bad, but if we hadn't spent the country into 5 trillion more dollars of debt, it would have been worse. There's just no way to know that because we can't see what would have happened. Yes, this cycle of Reaping is bad, but if we don't systematically wipe out all advanced organic races every 50,000 years the tech singularity will happen and all organic life will be destroyed. There's just no way to know because we can't see what would have happened. And Star Kid can't either because whatever might have happened, he stopped it.

And then, to fix the problem, he offers you a solution that does what he claims the tech singularity will inevitably do - wipe out all organic life. Offer me some proof that the Star Kid isn't the tech singularity and he hasn't just decided upon you reaching the Citadel that you haven't become more trouble than you're worth.

Yes but i'm saying bioware including it wasn't the bes option.

[MegaSovereign]

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if synthesis is the best ending why had you to stop saren in me1?

That's a question for the writers and thier poor writing, in other words I have no idea.

"poor writing" exactly

I'm tired of reading this garbage.

You had to stop Saren because he was indoctrinated. The Reapers only told him what he wanted to hear. If Saren wasn't stopped then the Reapers would have came and harvested everybody.

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"Yeah but I guess they have diffrent ways of fdevoloping so there not like before if you get what I mean."

well maybe they learned something from quarians and geth conflict

Yeah somehing like that.

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if synthesis is the best ending why had you to stop saren in me1?

That's a question for the writers and thier poor writing, in other words I have no idea.

"poor writing" exactly

I'm tired of reading this garbage.

You had to stop Saren because he was indoctrinated. The Reapers only told him what he wanted to hear. If Saren wasn't stopped then the Reapers would have came and harvested everybody.

This explanation is also valid.